Real talk on calipari

[KerryRhodes]

Calipari wants out as uofk coach.

The pressure of being uofk's coach, has tripled with his buying............errrr signing the number 1 recruiting class every year. Yet only one Title.

He all was set to go to the NBA in 15. Win the title, go coach Cleveland or Sacramento.
Wisconsin put a knife in that.

Now he cant or wont leave until he equals or passes Coach Pitino. He's deftly jealous and emulates everything he does. His massive ego, stroked by uofk fans is in the way of building a program.

Instead he rents a program every year by signing 5,6,7 one and dones.
Humpries is upset at lack of PT, and being recruited over. He's rumored to turn pro, or transfer.

Calipari rolls the dice on the one and dones, because its easier to "coach" NBA ready players.
He promises to let them do whatever they want-on and off court. Yet without upperclassmen and good chemistry, he hss one title.

I'll take 1, one and done, juniors and seniors and Coach Pitino, Williams, Izzo, K.
He can have his 'layover program'

Stay 4ever caliperi.................

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

He's happy there, he's not going anywhere.

 

[Cue Card]

He's happy there, he's not going anywhere.

He's happy there as long as the UofK fans stay happy with him. If they turn on him, he'll leave. Hopefully he stays put. I would hate to see UofK get an actual X's and O's coach.

 

[td75]

Sorry dude, that's a stupid post. Cal has won a BOATLOAD of games at UK, including a championship coupled with several final four runs. If anything, you could argue that he's a victim of his own successes.

Your post just oozes pettiness...and I'm a UofL fan...but I realize there's a LOT of pettiness and absurdity that festers in the UK/UofL rivalry.

 

[KU2008]

I don't think he'll ever leave. He doesn't have to cheat anymore so the NCAA won't bust him unfortunately. At UMass and Memphis he cheated his ass off but unfortunately got away with it while the two programs haven't recovered to this day. It's sickening, but that's life. Not every bad guy gets his punishment. He won't ever go to NBA because he is so inept as a coach he'd only make something work at Warriors or Cavs. At UK he enjoys a massive talent advantage. Give Pitino or Roy Williams his talent and they would be putting threepeats together

 

[LouisvilleKid79]

I don't see Cal going anywhere anytime soon, but who knows. Question is, Where would he go?

The shine has worn off of Cal considerably. You have to start wondering if he has hit the ceiling in regards to his recruiting system. Time will tell.

On a side note, you mentioned Humphries is rumored to possibly turn pro. I hope he's considering turning pro in something other than sports or transferring. He played well against UNC, but the idea of him as a pro is interesting to me. He has good size so it's possible he gets on overseas.

 

[shadow force]

I don't see Cal going anywhere anytime soon, but who knows. Question is, Where would he go?

Exactly. Even if Cal wants out, where the heck would he go right now?

 

[Louisvillian]

He's happy there as long as the UofK fans stay happy with him. If they turn on him, he'll leave. Hopefully he stays put. I would hate to see UofK get an actual X's and O's coach.

Agree. UK fans are still mostly solidly behind Calipari right now. Losing on a buzzer beater to a blueblood program in a regional final will do that no matter the preseason top 5 ranking. That keeps people talking about them nationally and shows how close they came. Again.

What will turn them against him IMO is reaching 10 years there with only one title or if Pitino and Louisville win the title again during that span.

Then again, it could happen Next Monday night if a football school (and UK stepchild) South Carolina wins the NCAA Championship.
Think about that burn for a moment. Talk about a torturous offseason.

You can only blame youth, the Selection Committee and the refs for so long.

 

[zipp]

Next year will be Pitino Lite's ninth at LPT. Tubby coached at LPT for ten years.

Lite has coached college ball for 25 years. There are 33 coaches who have coached FEWER games than him (887 games), and won at least one NCAA championship. FIVE have won two or more championships while coaching a fewer number of games.

I'm not checking because it goes without saying... All of those coaches have made less money than Lite, many just a fraction of what he makes.

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[Cats192]

He's happy there as long as the UofK fans stay happy with him. If they turn on him, he'll leave. Hopefully he stays put. I would hate to see UofK get an actual X's and O's coach.

They turn on him after every loss. We have some absolute idiots in our fan base. I know, I know, I'm one too, yuck yuck yuck.
To me it's actually a lot of Rick's doing.

NC in 96
Runner up in 97
NC in 98 with Rick's guys.

Obviously we have to play for the title every year.

Then Cal comes in saying we're the Gold Standard, we are everyone's super bowl, it just reiterates that kind of thinking for some unfortunately.

 

[td75]

Here's the problem with thinking Cal has lost his shine...Rupp only won 4 Championships in 42 years as the Ky boss. That's a title every 10 years or so. Cal is on that trajectory, with a strong possibility of winning another in the immediate future.

Cal has certainly had LOADED teams that probably should've won it all, no questions asked. But to think that you're going to do better than Cal is just not rational thinking. Rupp is Kentucky's Bear Bryant and Cal is actually on a higher trajectory than Rupp was on.

 

[zipp]

Here's the problem with thinking Cal has lost his shine...Rupp only won 4 Championships in 42 years as the Ky boss. That's a title every 10 years or so. Cal is on that trajectory, with a strong possibility of winning another in the immediate future.

Cal has certainly had LOADED teams that probably should've won it all, no questions asked. But to think that you're going to do better than Cal is just not rational thinking. Rupp is Kentucky's Bear Bryant and Cal is actually on a higher trajectory than Rupp was on.

The problem is Lite's trajectory at this point is down. His teams are now consistently underperforming their talent and preseason expectations.

The only reason that's not obvious to LPT fans is his goalposts have been moved out to around the 20-yard line.

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[Rockfly78]

Here's the problem with thinking Cal has lost his shine...Rupp only won 4 Championships in 42 years as the Ky boss. That's a title every 10 years or so. Cal is on that trajectory, with a strong possibility of winning another in the immediate future.

Cal has certainly had LOADED teams that probably should've won it all, no questions asked. But to think that you're going to do better than Cal is just not rational thinking. Rupp is Kentucky's Bear Bryant and Cal is actually on a higher trajectory than Rupp was on.

I agree with you. The shine has not worn off. We know we are in awesome shape with Cal. People always mistake the crazy vocal minority (message board folks) for being the barometer.

 

[Rockfly78]

He's happy there as long as the UofK fans stay happy with him. If they turn on him, he'll leave. Hopefully he stays put. I would hate to see UofK get an actual X's and O's coach.

This is one time that I totally agree with a card fan! I hope Cal stays here forever.

 

[Rockfly78]

The problem is Lite's trajectory at this point is down. His teams are now consistently underperforming their talent and preseason expectations.

The only reason that's not obvious to LPT fans is his goalposts have been moved out to around the 20-yard line.

"Elite program," my a$$...

There apparently is no possible way for me to respond to this without it getting deleted. You think UK is trending downward and I think that is irrational and insane. I would imagine other sane and rational people would agree.

 

[BPGhost]

There apparently is no possible way for me to respond to this without it getting deleted. You think UK is trending downward and I think that is irrational and insane. I would imagine other sane and rational people would agree.

Considering other top shelf programs (with better coaches) have entered into the OAD market with success - that has and will continue to affect sweaty cal and the yut program in a negative manner.

 

[Rockfly78]

Considering other top shelf programs (with better coaches) have entered into the OAD market with success - that has and will continue to affect sweaty cal and the yut program in a negative manner.

It has had zero affect. We still get top classes, 30 win seasons, and have deep tourney runs.

 

[zipp]

The problem is Lite's trajectory at this point is down. His teams are now consistently underperforming their talent and preseason expectations.

The only reason that's not obvious to LPT fans is his goalposts have been moved out to around the 20-yard line...

There apparently is no possible way for me to respond to this without it getting deleted. You think UK is trending downward and I think that is irrational and insane. I would imagine other sane and rational people would agree.

You're probably worried about getting deleted because reality frustrates you. You also took the quote out of context. In the last five years, the BEST Pitino Lite has done is perform in line with talent and expectations...

It's easy for slapd!cks to gloss over the fact that, except for one year, Lite's teams are predicted to make the Final Four EVERY YEAR. His team has really only outperformed one year, 2011. Is he responsible for recruiting and getting LPT to the level of those expectations, yes. Is he also responsible for meeting those expectations, YES.

Unless the goalposts are on wheels.

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[zipp]

And let's put preseason expectations in a little football perspective...Alabama. Here are the last eight years of preseason poll results for Bama. (AP and USA Today ranked them the same each year)...

2009: 5
2010: 1
2011: 2
2012: 2
2013: 1
2014: 2
2015: 3
2016: 1

High expectations for sure, but no higher than LPT's. The difference is that Bama and Saban deliver. FOUR national championships in the same number of years. Bama doesn't just routinely get close. And unlike LPT fans, I don't think Bama fans try to console themselves getting close.

Saban also doesn't have at his discretion Lite's OAD schtick to get recruits.

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[zipp]

And since the NCAA tourney's a crap shoot, if any slapd!cks would like...

I'll tabulate LPT's AP/USA Today ranking just prior to the tourney each year. That's an indicator of the full season's body-of-work compared to preseason expectations. I'm trying to be flexible here. But I gotta warn ya--you're not gonna like those results any more.

Which is the fundamental problem... You don't want your guy measured against objective expectations. You'd rather measure him against what you want. Sorry, the real world doesn't operate that way.

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[Bill Derington]

Zipp, Do you think Alabama's preseason ranking is based on it's incoming Freshman class? Or the prior 3 recruiting classes that were number 1classes that are still there?

 

[Rockfly78]

You're probably worried about getting deleted because reality frustrates you. You also took the quote out of context. In the last five years, the BEST Pitino Lite has done is perform in line with talent and expectations...

It's easy for slapd!cks to gloss over the fact that, except for one year, Lite's teams are predicted to make the Final Four EVERY YEAR. His team has really only outperformed one year, 2011. Is he responsible for recruiting and getting LPT to the level of those expectations, yes. Is he also responsible for meeting those expectations, YES.

Unless the goalposts are on wheels.

"Elite program," my a$$...

I'm not frustrated at all. Kentucky basketball is wildly successful and and is the foremost brand in the nation. Crunch all the numbers you want zipp. Real folks don't need a calculator to enjoy the ride.

 

[poppycat]

I don't see Cal going anywhere anytime soon, but who knows. Question is, Where would he go?

The shine has worn off of Cal considerably. You have to start wondering if he has hit the ceiling in regards to his recruiting system. Time will tell.

On a side note, you mentioned Humphries is rumored to possibly turn pro. I hope he's considering turning pro in something other than sports or transferring. He played well against UNC, but the idea of him as a pro is interesting to me. He has good size so it's possible he gets on overseas.

He was thinking (rumor) of going home to play...Australia

 

[Rockfly78]

You're probably worried about getting deleted because reality frustrates you. You also took the quote out of context. In the last five years, the BEST Pitino Lite has done is perform in line with talent and expectations...

It's easy for slapd!cks to gloss over the fact that, except for one year, Lite's teams are predicted to make the Final Four EVERY YEAR. His team has really only outperformed one year, 2011. Is he responsible for recruiting and getting LPT to the level of those expectations, yes. Is he also responsible for meeting those expectations, YES.

Unless the goalposts are on wheels.

"Elite program," my a$$...

But since you insist on all the stats and stuff, I'll break from my comfort zone and give it a try. You seem to have tunnel vision. You only have eyes for Kentucky. So here is some perspective for you

Since 2009-2010 top 4 preseason to make F4:

Cal/UK: 3-7 = 43%

EVERY OTHER top 4 preseason team: 6-25 = 24%

Yeah I think Kentucky is doing just fine. I'll let you go tell the other programs how bad they suck.

 

[poppycat]

Exactly. Even if Cal wants out, where the heck would he go right now?

Where does the king of the jungle sleep?

 

[KerryRhodes]

But since you insist on all the stats and stuff, I'll break from my comfort zone and give it a try. You seem to have tunnel vision. You only have eyes for Kentucky. So here is some perspective for you

Since 2009-2010 top 4 preseason to make F4:

Cal/UK: 3-7 = 43%

EVERY OTHER top 4 preseason team: 6-25 = 24%

Yeah I think Kentucky is doing just fine. I'll let you go tell the other programs how bad they suck.

No one said uofk SuCked. Its about higher expectations not being met with NBDL teams.

 

[BPGhost]

Where does the king of the jungle sleep?

In a cage at the zoo - where he's stared at by a bunch of slack-jawed yokels. Good and fitting analogy by you.

 

[BPGhost]

It has had zero affect. We still get top classes, 30 win seasons, and have deep tourney runs.

Top classes but - not the pick of kids like sweaty cal had a few years ago. 30 win seasons because of the routinely poor quality of the sec. Deep tourney runs but 0 titles outside of the NBA lockout year because cal is a crappy bench coach and your OAD's aren't a match for top shelf teams with upperclassmen.

 

[Rockfly78]

Top classes but - not the pick of kids like sweaty cal had a few years ago. 30 win seasons because of the routinely poor quality of the sec. Deep tourney runs but 0 titles outside of the NBA lockout year because cal is a crappy bench coach and your OAD's aren't a match for top shelf teams with upperclassmen.

That's an awful lot of buts.......

 

[BPGhost]

That's an awful lot of buts.......

What an accurate description of big yut nation.

 

[hubble88]

You're probably worried about getting deleted because reality frustrates you. You also took the quote out of context. In the last five years, the BEST Pitino Lite has done is perform in line with talent and expectations...

It's easy for slapd!cks to gloss over the fact that, except for one year, Lite's teams are predicted to make the Final Four EVERY YEAR. His team has really only outperformed one year, 2011. Is he responsible for recruiting and getting LPT to the level of those expectations, yes. Is he also responsible for meeting those expectations, YES.

Unless the goalposts are on wheels.

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[hubble88]

those rankings are based on players that have never played a college game imagine pitinos season with four freshman starting you see how VJ performed and complained of having a shorter leash than the other players

 

[zipp]

...Yeah I think Kentucky is doing just fine. I'll let you go tell the other programs how bad they suck.

I never said LPT sucks. (It's really just their fans...) I'm saying your guy ain't any different than a lotta other coaches out there.

His SKILL BALANCE is different--great recruiter, average coach--but it nets out about the same. He certainly doesn't deliver results in line with a guy like Saban. In another couple years, Lite will have the same number of years at LPT as Tubby.

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[zipp]

those rankings are based on players that have never played a college game imagine pitinos season with four freshman starting you see how VJ performed and complained of having a shorter leash than the other players

The preseason rankings are by objective third parties. And they know by now how unreliable freshmen can be (or not.)

I find it pretty humorous that a slapd!ck would question overhyped preseason rankings when I know a few months from now, every one of you will be dreaming and drumming about it.

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[zipp]

Zipp, Do you think Alabama's preseason ranking is based on it's incoming Freshman class? Or the prior 3 recruiting classes that were number 1classes that are still there?

I'd say Bama's ranking is based on the combination of factors in their favor incl. recruiting. But Saban also delivers on that preseason ranking.

Saban faces the same factors that also benefit him. Lamar Jackson has to return to U of L for a third year. If Jackson leads Louisville over Bama for the national championship this year, the absence of a OAD system in football has HURT Saban in this instance. Jackson might have gone onto the NFL otherwise.

Pitino Lite experiences the same factors for and against him. Duke and Kansas lose their best players just like LPT does. And that attrition helps Lite.

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[Rockfly78]

The preseason rankings are by objective third parties. And they know by now how unreliable freshmen can be (or not.)

I find it pretty humorous that a slapd!ck would question overhyped preseason rankings when I know a few months from now, every one of you will be dreaming and drumming about it.

"Elite program," my a$$...

You brought up pre season rankings as a means to prove how unsuccessful Cal has been at Kentucky. I showed you that he has been more successful than everyone else combined in the same stretch. I'm sorry I think you used under perform or something similar, I'm not sure.

I don't care about pre season rankings myself. But since you brought it up I thought it was worth a look. This may be the first time I've ever thrown "data" at a thread. I think it added to the conversation and I found it interesting

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

I never said LPT sucks. (It's really just their fans....

Reading comprehension is not a strength for some - go easy on them.

 

[Rockfly78]

I never said LPT sucks. (It's really just their fans...) I'm saying your guy ain't any different than a lotta other coaches out there.

His SKILL BALANCE is different--great recruiter, average coach--but it nets out about the same. He certainly doesn't deliver results in line with a guy like Saban. In another couple years, Lite will have the same number of years at LPT as Tubby.

"Elite program," my a$$...

To your first point, yes he is different than a lot of other guys out there. He wins more.

His coaching acumen is in constant debate. I coach basketball myself, obviously not anywhere near the college level so who am I to judge that. I don't know, he has games where he's brilliant. He's in the hall of fame so I guess that counts for something. I don't dwell much on it. He rarely eats it hard in games and we win a ton so it's fine with me.

Your comparison to Satan is interesting. I'd say there is only one coach in history that compares to Saben and that's John wooden, maybe K. So is that really fair? No one produces like Saben so why must Kentucky be held up against him? Apples and oranges. One coaches football and the other basketball. You're reaching

 

[zipp]

To your first point, yes he is different than a lot of other guys out there. He wins more...

I'd say there is only one coach in history that compares to Saben and that's John wooden, maybe K. So is that really fair? No one produces like Saben so why must Kentucky be held up against him? Apples and oranges. One coaches football and the other basketball. You're reaching

Lite wins more games mainly because he plays in a $hit conference. For example, your team would have had 5-7 conference losses in the ACC this year. That would have added to your losses to Louisville and UCLA. He already loses games he shouldn't during the regular season because his teams play down to the competition. LPT fans acknowledge that.

You're talking rarified air with all of the better coaches in football or basketball. Once you get below the level of a Saban, there's a group of coaches that isn't easily distinguishable. Yet LPT fans try to say their guy's better than K or better than Pitino or better than (fill in the blank). And you can't do that because there aren't good data to make your case. At the next level up are guys like Saban.

Lite's a better recruiter than any college basketball coach in the game, maybe ever. But his program's performance isn't at the best-ever level. So obviously his coaching isn't at the level of most of the better coaches; once the season's underway, he underperforms on average. That's where a lot of the before-and-after performance comparisons shake out.

Put another way, if he was just as good a coach as, say, Pitino or Roy Williams, no one could touch your team. Those other guys couldn't overcome your talent advantage. But that's not what happens. With respect to most of the better teams in college basketball, Lite's coaching compensates for any difference in talent.

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[zipp]

You brought up pre season rankings as a means to prove how unsuccessful Cal has been at Kentucky...

I was replying to the other slapd!ck deadpanning LPT's inflated preseason rankings. Almost like they're unfair!

And that's a pretty good joke because no one loves high preseason rankings more than your fanbase. For LPT, there is no offseason in basketball.

"Elite program," my a$$...