Question on bowl games

[JOE1988]

Not trying to start a fight, but understand something.

Isn't mediocracy doing something half arsed?

Seems with college football now, it's all about bowl games. I get it. Get to a bowl and you're sucessful.

However, I'd respectfully argue that continually getting to a bowl with a 6-6 record or even a 7-5 record is nothing more than college football understanding that they can make more money so you get to a bowl so people will pay money to get to a game and you get on TV (yet the NCAA thinks it's a horrible idea to perhaps actually pay student athletes, go figure).

My "local" team is Wake Forest (where I live, and we we take our scout troop sometimes). The papers always seems so proud when the football team goes 6-6 and gets into a bowl like it's something to be proud of. Personally, I think it's kind of like the p***ification of America where we reward people for showing up on time for work.

I get the fact that L'ville was a dumpster fire last year, and going 6-6 would be an accomplishment from last year, but I honestly don't see trying to make a bowl game at 6-6 as being the bar to set your sights for.

Again, not trying to start a fight or be a "troll", just understand the "joy" of going to a bowl when your a mediocre team.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Not trying to start a fight, but understand something.

Isn't mediocracy doing something half arsed?

Seems with college football now, it's all about bowl games. I get it. Get to a bowl and you're sucessful.

However, I'd respectfully argue that continually getting to a bowl with a 6-6 record or even a 7-5 record is nothing more than college football understanding that they can make more money so you get to a bowl so people will pay money to get to a game and you get on TV (yet the NCAA thinks it's a horrible idea to perhaps actually pay student athletes, go figure).

My "local" team is Wake Forest (where I live, and we we take our scout troop sometimes). The papers always seems so proud when the football team goes 6-6 and gets into a bowl like it's something to be proud of. Personally, I think it's kind of like the p***ification of America where we reward people for showing up on time for work.

I get the fact that L'ville was a dumpster fire last year, and going 6-6 would be an accomplishment from last year, but I honestly don't see trying to make a bowl game at 6-6 as being the bar to set your sights for.

Again, not trying to start a fight or be a "troll", just understand the "joy" of going to a bowl when your a mediocre team.

Going to a mediocre bowl is part of the process in rebuilding to excellence. Last season our basketball team had a goal to make the NCAA tourney. Traditionally that would be a minimum expectation for UofL basketball but taken in context it was a reasonable step in rebuilding.

 

[PushupMan]

First off, welcome to the board, and congratulations on the win last night over FSU.

In Wake Forest’s case, I happen to believe that going 6-6 with an 8 game ACC conference schedule is an accomplishment to be celebrated. I say that because I’ve done enough research on the athletic departments in the conference to know that Wake has by far the smallest athletic budget. (FSU is #1 and UofL is #2, by the way). Wake is the ultimate ACC underdog, and if I were a fan of that school, I’d be thrilled with every ACC victory. How amazing was that 2006 season when Wake won the conference and played probably Louisville's 1st or 2nd best team in school history in the Orange Bowl?

In Louisville's case, the only reason a portion of our fan base will be happy with 6 wins is because last year was so horrible. Our 2018 defense set a record for most consecutive games giving up at least 50 points. A big portion of UofL’s fan base will only be satisfied with 6 wins just this year, and there was a great deal of grumbling with Petrino’s 34-18 record from 2014-17. Heck, there was even grumbling with Strong’s 23-3 record in 2012-13, because many fans felt we misused the talents of Teddy Bridgewater with an extremely conservative offense.

 

[cardfan16]

After last year, ANY bowl game will be good for us. Also, bowls make money for the host cities, which is a good thing. And don't forget, being in a bowl means four more weeks of practice, which is almost a must for next year.

 

[ShortCreek]

Getting to a bowl gets your team extra reps of practice for the next season.

 

[Ara64]

The real prize is the twenty extra practices your team gets as it looks forward to the next season. I guess that's why they have some 40 bowl games after a long season. I love watching the bowl games because I love college football. After the last bowl game it's a long wait until September.

 

[PushupMan]

Back to the OP: I thought something didn’t sound right ... I think the word you were looking for is “mediocrity”.

 

[CardX]

Not trying to start a fight, but understand something.

Isn't mediocracy doing something half arsed?

Seems with college football now, it's all about bowl games. I get it. Get to a bowl and you're sucessful.

However, I'd respectfully argue that continually getting to a bowl with a 6-6 record or even a 7-5 record is nothing more than college football understanding that they can make more money so you get to a bowl so people will pay money to get to a game and you get on TV (yet the NCAA thinks it's a horrible idea to perhaps actually pay student athletes, go figure).

My "local" team is Wake Forest (where I live, and we we take our scout troop sometimes). The papers always seems so proud when the football team goes 6-6 and gets into a bowl like it's something to be proud of. Personally, I think it's kind of like the p***ification of America where we reward people for showing up on time for work.

I get the fact that L'ville was a dumpster fire last year, and going 6-6 would be an accomplishment from last year, but I honestly don't see trying to make a bowl game at 6-6 as being the bar to set your sights for.

Again, not trying to start a fight or be a "troll", just understand the "joy" of going to a bowl when your a mediocre team.

Mediocrity is a vast improvement from last year. We’d all love to have 12-0 expectations, but you got to be realistic, especially during a rebuild.

I’m not fighting, either, but Wake is 450-653-33 all time. Mediocrity should be praised if I’m a fan of that team.

 

[Rollem Cards]

Lower and even some mid tier bowls do NOT make the schools any money.

In fact it costs money to go.

It’s all about exposure and practice time hoping to get to a major bowl.

 

[davecmc]

Our program is certainly unique. In the last 30 years our program has peaked with a Sugar Bowl Championship, an Orange Bowl Championship, a Fiesta Bowl Championship and a Heisman Trophy Winner. All under different coaching regimes and different conference affiliations.

We’ve also fielded a few laughable teams in that time span. Clearly, we don’t strive for mediocre Bowl games with a resume that gaudy, but we do crave stability and consistency in coaching staffs.

 

[CardFanBudMan]

Not trying to start a fight, but understand something.

Isn't mediocracy doing something half arsed?

Seems with college football now, it's all about bowl games. I get it. Get to a bowl and you're sucessful.

However, I'd respectfully argue that continually getting to a bowl with a 6-6 record or even a 7-5 record is nothing more than college football understanding that they can make more money so you get to a bowl so people will pay money to get to a game and you get on TV (yet the NCAA thinks it's a horrible idea to perhaps actually pay student athletes, go figure).

My "local" team is Wake Forest (where I live, and we we take our scout troop sometimes). The papers always seems so proud when the football team goes 6-6 and gets into a bowl like it's something to be proud of. Personally, I think it's kind of like the p***ification of America where we reward people for showing up on time for work.

I get the fact that L'ville was a dumpster fire last year, and going 6-6 would be an accomplishment from last year, but I honestly don't see trying to make a bowl game at 6-6 as being the bar to set your sights for.

Again, not trying to start a fight or be a "troll", just understand the "joy" of going to a bowl when your a mediocre team.

I thought you guys would know that answer, by now.

 

[JOE1988]

I’m not fighting, either, but Wake is 450-653-33 all time. Mediocrity should be praised if I’m a fan of that team.

I've never played college football. That said, mediocrity is never what I strived for in no matter what I particpate in, including sports and work (we live in the greatest country in the world, and your life is what you make of it IMO).

That said, if your collge football team goes 6-6 for 10 years, but the coach instills values and morals on the young men he's coaching, my hats off to those coaches because there are more important things in life than work. However, if coaching is your job and get paid GOOD money to do it, part of what you ARE judged by IMO on how well you do is your win loss record. Personally I believe Satterfield can juggle leading by example with morals and winning as one.

Guys, if you read my first post on this forum, I'm not a big Wake Forest fan. Just so happens that we get good deals for the scouts on the football games, so we take the boys to the game. You'll also see when I started following the Cardinals program with Satterfield. To be completely honest and not to sound disgruntled, since living outside of Wake Forest University, the school has always struck me as the type to have a good reputation (for whatever reason) but it's where rich people send their kids to school because it sounds good and they can afford it LOL

It just drives me nuts how the local Winston Salem paper always praises a 6-6 record and going to a bowl game. The reality is if you go to college and get 50% on your exam, guess what, you failed, not EVEN average.

Have a friend who is an employee at Wake Forest. Got to ask, what does a 4 year degree at L-ville run? I almost fell over dead when I found out (a couple of years ago) that one year at Wake Forest runs $50,000 a year! I graduated from a "Big 10" state football program with a 4 year degree for $21,000 to show you how old I am (just makes me wonder what kind of degree you HAVE to get to be able to pay back over 200k for your degree).

The above paragraph makes me wonder exactly how much the NCAA actually makes on college football when someone who sounds more smarter than myself on this forum tells me that wake forest has the least amount of money in it's conference for it's athletic department (or to that effect) than everyone else in their conference, per post #3 in this thread.

I'm past being longwinded, but what's the story on people running this site looking for money? I like sports, but no offense, not going to pay money to post on a internet forum. I've already been hit with too many posts because I have a free account which kind of really pisses me off. Free country, I get it. At the point not certain when I'm going to be cut off because I'm not spending $100 to join a forum LOL

 

[Rollem Cards]

The above paragraph makes me wonder exactly how much the NCAA actually makes

You hit it right here.

The NCAA doesn't give a rat about "student athletes".

They care about $$$.

You want to see them pucker up? Get Congress to review their "non profit" status.

 

[JOE1988]

I thought you guys would know that answer, by now.

Never attended a class at Wake Forest, wouldn't even want to send my boys there. Really don't follow the team other than what I read about them in the local newspaper and getting to take the boys to a game whom I'd like to see other than Wake.

 

[PushupMan]

Not 100% sure, but I believe that UofL is about $23k per year for out of state students and less than $10k per year for in state. My son recently graduated from Miami(Fl). Tuition there was $62k per year, but fortunately he had a scholarship that paid for 85% of that $248k. I had to cover about $20k for his 4 years there, and he also left school with $20k in student loan debt. Private schools like Wake, Duke, and Miami are significantly different than public schools like UofL. No way would we have been able to afford him going there if he had not been valedictorian of his high school.

In my opinion, it’s not a fair comparison to equate a 6-6 football record to a 50% grade on a test. Tests are typically designed such that a C grade is the average score. If “C” is 70-79%, then scoring a 75% means that you’d go 6-6 in your competitions with other students taking the test.

Bottom line there is that you’ve got to be pretty good to even go 6-6 when you’re competing against other people.

I wouldn’t worry about being kicked off this message board. As long as you are respectful and follow the rules, this board is free. It’s the Collision Course board on here that is for members only.

 

[beantowncard]

The real prize is the twenty extra practices your team gets as it looks forward to the next season. I guess that's why they have some 40 bowl games after a long season. I love watching the bowl games because I love college football. After the last bowl game it's a long wait until September.

I think everybody should get the extra practice, bowl or not.

 

[BPGhost]

Not 100% sure, but I believe that UofL is about $23k per year for out of state students and less than $10k per year for in state. My son recently graduated from Miami(Fl). Tuition there was $62k per year, but fortunately he had a scholarship that paid for 85% of that $248k. I had to cover about $20k for his 4 years there, and he also left school with $20k in student loan debt. Private schools like Wake, Duke, and Miami are significantly different than public schools like UofL. No way would we have been able to afford him going there if he had not been valedictorian of his high school.

In my opinion, it’s not a fair comparison to equate a 6-6 football record to a 50% grade on a test. Tests are typically designed such that a C grade is the average score. If “C” is 70-79%, then scoring a 75% means that you’d go 6-6 in your competitions with other students taking the test.

Bottom line there is that you’ve got to be pretty good to even go 6-6 when you’re competing against other people.

I wouldn’t worry about being kicked off this message board. As long as you are respectful and follow the rules, this board is free. It’s the Collision Course board on here that is for members only.

Full cost of attendance (tuition, room & board, books, etc) at UofL is just under 24K. The 52K Wake number includes the same.

 

[PushupMan]

I think everybody should get the extra practice, bowl or not.

Not sure on practice, since there is no game to be played. But perhaps 15 days worth of training with the training staff between the end of the season and the Christmas break would be a good idea for all 130 schools regardless of record.

 

[SiouxfallsEric13]

The real prize is the twenty extra practices your team gets as it looks forward to the next season. I guess that's why they have some 40 bowl games after a long season. I love watching the bowl games because I love college football. After the last bowl game it's a long wait until September.

Amen to that I try to watch every bowl game I can because college football season flies by.

 

[JOE1988]

What I find interesting, in the mid 80's (graduating year from college) when I was an avid "student fan", there were a total of 18 bowl games, which I would of never guessed (I would of guessed lower).

Just seemed like bowl games were on for 3 days during the Christmas Holidays ending for the national championship first of the year.

Got away from football due to traveling and work for a couple of decades, and when I started watching again, just seemed like the list of bowl games was never ending.

For 2020, total of 29 bowls plus 2 extra games for the the top 4 teams.

 

[Knucklehank1]

What I find interesting, in the mid 80's (graduating year from college) when I was an avid "student fan", there were a total of 18 bowl games, which I would of never guessed (I would of guessed lower).

Just seemed like bowl games were on for 3 days during the Christmas Holidays ending for the national championship first of the year.

Got away from football due to traveling and work for a couple of decades, and when I started watching again, just seemed like the list of bowl games was never ending.

For 2020, total of 29 bowls plus 2 extra games for the the top 4 teams.

There are so many bowl games because so many people watch them. The lowliest bowl game will have TV ratings equivalent or better than the highest rated regular season college basketball game.

 

[Ara64]

I counted 40 bowl games starting in December of this year. I got the list from CBS Sports.com. When I started following college football in 1960 there were 9 bowl games. I figure the more the merrier. They were the Cotton, Rose, Sugar, Orange, Liberty, Gator, Sun, Tangerine, and Bluebonnet.

 

[Rollem Cards]

1988 we went 8-3 with wins over UNC, UVA, and Va Tech (looks like we’ve been ACC before ) and couldn’t get a sniff from a bowl. We started 0-2 with loses to Maryland (another ACC) and Wyoming, then finished 8-1. Our only other loss? So Miss. Geezzz I hated them.

Terry Meiners was playing a song to the tune of Kokomo by The Beach Boys where the chorus was “we wanna go to a bowl”

Wish I could find that somewhere.

 

[Ara64]

Only 17 bowl games in 1988.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/1988-bowls.html