Per some guy I've never heard of, FSU and Clemson have reached out to the SEC.

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Marc Ryan


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Per a reliable source, Clemson+Florida State have reached out to the SEC about joining the conference. The SEC is concerned that streaming numbers for Clemson+Florida State don't bring what Oklahoma+Texas do. Notre Dame is the only "free agent" left that would "add to the pot."

 

[LeFors4Ever]

 

[-COUNTRY-CLUB-JOE-]

You guys need to stop believing everything you see on Twitter.

 

[KozmasAgain]

If that is true then blame the ACC Commissioner for not acting quick enough and the B1G Commissioner as well.

 

[2330859]

Most responsible and informed folks familiar with the ACC are convinced that no member is leaving the conference. It makes absolutely no sense financially, or structurally.

 

[Pervis_Griffith]

Most responsible and informed folks familiar with the ACC are convinced that no member is leaving the conference. It makes absolutely no sense financially, or structurally.

And not only that .... the SEC number crunchers are realizing that there isn't anyone outside of Notre Dame that makes financial sense bringing into their conference. And yes ... that includes Clemson and Florida State. Only Notre Dame would increase the value of the revenues for each team in the league.

The SEC will most likely stick with 16. And count the money as that group marinates over time.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

And not only that .... the SEC number crunchers are realizing that there isn't anyone outside of Notre Dame that makes financial sense bringing into their conference. And yes ... that includes Clemson and Florida State. Only Notre Dame would increase the value of the revenues for each team in the league.

The SEC will most likely stick with 16. And count the money as that group marinates over time.

Big Ten is the next to move.
That's really the group to watch.

Clemson & FSU would add to the ACC, as it would give them 2 great programs and can open up recruiting in the south.

USC and Notre Dame are the programs that probably demand the most attention. But, USC doesn't have a clear path to join unless they bring teams like Oregon, UCLA, & Stanford with them to make travel make a bit easier.

 

[Pervis_Griffith]

Big Ten is the next to move.
That's really the group to watch.

Clemson & FSU would add to the ACC, as it would give them 2 great programs and can open up recruiting in the south.

USC and Notre Dame are the programs that probably demand the most attention. But, USC doesn't have a clear path to join unless they bring teams like Oregon, UCLA, & Stanford with them to make travel make a bit easier.

The Big Ten pays out more annually to it's members than the SEC. So the financial hurdles in adding schools to the Big Ten are higher than in the SEC. (This will change once the CBS SEC game of the week moves in 2023. But until then, the Big Ten's revenues will exceed the SEC).

The only school that moves the needle for the Big Ten or SEC is Notre Dame. And ND isn't going anywhere until 2036 at the earliest (unless they join the ACC, which they can do anytime until 2036.).

 

[LeFors4Ever]

The Big Ten pays out more annually to it's members than the SEC. So the financial hurdles in adding schools to the Big Ten are higher than in the SEC. (This will change once the CBS SEC game of the week moves in 2023. But until then, the Big Ten's revenues will exceed the SEC).

The only school that moves the needle for the Big Ten or SEC is Notre Dame. And ND isn't going anywhere until 2036 at the earliest (unless they join the ACC, which they can do anytime until 2036.).

The Big Ten's TV Deal expires in 2024.

And now here's the big thing.

ESPN/ABC now has control of the entire SEC portfolio for football, and pretty much took all the value from the Big 12 with Texas/OU. ESPN/ABC will have the 12 team College Playoff. And until 2036, ESPN has the ACC.

So now there's going to be CBS, Fox, Turner, and NBC all bidding for Big Ten rights along with ESPN. The Big Ten is going to want to get paid, so here's how it goes below.

1. USC/Oregon sees the Pac-12 falling apart and all the Big 12 leftovers are out too.

2. The big thing about the "ACC rights are good through 2036" is actually bad if Clemson/FSU look and see the SEC & Big Ten are getting massive amounts more money than this ACC

3. The Big Ten is the only conference that can compete with the SEC and has a good structure in place. So they will be adding 2 or 4 new programs guaranteed.

4. The needle moving may be true for the SEC, as their games just get viewers and ND would be the brand that gets them into the Midwest and Northeast, heck nationally, ND has a national fan base. But, the Big Ten would stand to gain a lot more to get into places like the southeast and add ND's market. They added Maryland and Rutgers to try to get in the northeast, but ND would guarantee that audience.

The new SEC & new Big Ten super conferences will put them on a level where their TV contracts will be insane amounts. If some programs want to leave, then the new TV deal or conference will have enough money to buyout any agreement. Money to leave or some contract isn't going to hold them.

The ACC has to get BOLD.

 

[fredburgcard]

Unless I’m mistaken the ACC grant of rights would require a school leaving the conference to pay the conference all rights they get in their new conference until 2036. So making more money in the Big 10 or SEC wouldn’t help them. They’d just have to send it to the ACC. I doubt a court would find the grant of rights to be invalid. Courts are loath to throw out stipulated damages agreements in contracts and that’s what a grant of rights is. The only way I see to get around this is if the ACC no longer exists and I don’t see that happening. I have no idea how many schools would have to vote to disband for that to happen.
I don’t know if ND is subject to the grant of rights because their non football sports are in the ACC. I doubt ND would have agreed to that but I don’t know. If not and ND decided to join say the Big 10 because they realized they would get a boatload of money then they would only be subject to damages for violating their contract with the ACC to only join the ACC if they join any conference before 2036. There is no stipulation as to what those damages would be. The ACC would have to prove how much they were damaged by ND leaving despite the contract.

 

[KozmasAgain]

Notre Dame agreed to not join any conference except the ACC until 2036, so they are locked into the GOR in that manner

 

[Ara64]

I will say this again. ND did sign the media rights and included football in the pie. If ND wanted to be part of the Big 10 they would have signed with them rather than the ACC. ND isn't really interested in giving up it's independence but if the time ever arises then ND has made it abundantly clear, it will be the ACC. Who knows what next week might bring.

 

[Pervis_Griffith]

The Big Ten's TV Deal expires in 2024.

And now here's the big thing.

ESPN/ABC now has control of the entire SEC portfolio for football, and pretty much took all the value from the Big 12 with Texas/OU. ESPN/ABC will have the 12 team College Playoff. And until 2036, ESPN has the ACC.

So now there's going to be CBS, Fox, Turner, and NBC all bidding for Big Ten rights along with ESPN. The Big Ten is going to want to get paid, so here's how it goes below.

1. USC/Oregon sees the Pac-12 falling apart and all the Big 12 leftovers are out too.

2. The big thing about the "ACC rights are good through 2036" is actually bad if Clemson/FSU look and see the SEC & Big Ten are getting massive amounts more money than this ACC

3. The Big Ten is the only conference that can compete with the SEC and has a good structure in place. So they will be adding 2 or 4 new programs guaranteed.

4. The needle moving may be true for the SEC, as their games just get viewers and ND would be the brand that gets them into the Midwest and Northeast, heck nationally, ND has a national fan base. But, the Big Ten would stand to gain a lot more to get into places like the southeast and add ND's market. They added Maryland and Rutgers to try to get in the northeast, but ND would guarantee that audience.

The new SEC & new Big Ten super conferences will put them on a level where their TV contracts will be insane amounts. If some programs want to leave, then the new TV deal or conference will have enough money to buyout any agreement. Money to leave or some contract isn't going to hold them.

The ACC has to get BOLD.

The Big Ten just got check mated by the SEC when the SEC snagged Texas and Oklahoma.

Yeah, their TV rights are up in 2024. So they need to add somebody to truly move the needle like the SEC just did. Here's their problem:

--- The ACC and Notre Dame are locked in for another 15 years. They are off the table for that reason (not only for the huge financial stake that would involve, but the schools in the Big Ten don't want to risk their GoR being invalidated if they were to successfully bust the ACC GoR).

--- None of the Big XII left overs is profitable for the Big Ten except Kansas, barely. But adding Kansas is not going to move the needle where it needs to be moved, in football. So ... do you invite Kansas, just to invite them? You also have a 4 years remaining on the GoR deal with the Big XII too, which the Big Ten members really don't want to try and break, because it would mean THEIR GoR could be broken.

--- So this leaves the PAC 12 ..... there are two big reasons why I think this is a non starter. First, these two conferences are tied at the hip already. This goes back DECADES. They move together. A perfect example of this .... When the Big Ten said last fall "We're not playing football this fall due to COVID.", the PAC was quick to join them. So there's a mutual respect thing going on between these two conference which should not be understated. The Big Ten trying to poach PAC schools would be a massive betrayal that i don't think the Big Ten has in them to pull off.

The second reason though is .... financial. Of the PAC 12, the highest annual revenues are Washington, Stanford, USC, UCLA. But there's no way you can move just 3 of the California schools and leave one behind. Cal must come too, and so now you have to add 4 schools, not just one. So .... you have to try and convince the TV people bidding on your 2024 TV rights that adding USC, UCLA, Stanford and Cal is exponentially better than adding Texas and Oklahoma to make the numbers work .... and something tells me that the TV peeps will be like the rest of the college football world in seeing that and saying "that dog won't hunt".



The Big Ten waited 21 years to add Nebraska after they voted to add Penn State.

I think it's much more likely that they play the long game, and stand pat .....

.... and they make sure to set their TV rights to expire around 2031 ..... when it is much easier financially to make a run at ACC schools and Notre Dame.

 

[KozmasAgain]

Adding any PAC 12 school by anybody east of the Mississippi makes no sense to me. They are almost obsolete to east coast viewers because of their timezone. I don’t think anyone will make an attempt on any ACC school until 2036 if then.

The Texas-Oklahoma to the SEC was well planned by both schools and ESPN. There is a high probability that the Big12 will break up and neither school will have to pay their GOR. Because of this it is likely they will become part of the SEC sooner than expected.

 

[2330859]

Again, the ACC is not going to contract; and the only realistic change would be the possible addition of ND (some day) and WVU in the near future. I am not an advocate one way or another for WVU, and I am not suggesting the Mountaineers will ever be added; rather I am just expressing the opinions that are reportedly being shared inside the ACC. In truth, the ACC is feeling quite secure in their own skin right now. The 2036 date was purposeful, as they had the insight to see some P5 conference changes on the horizon.

 

[glassmanJ]

simply, there should be 64 teams, 4 x 16 in the top tier, 64 teams in the second tier and 48 in the third and should go to relegation. if you cannot hang w/ top 64 you drop down and someone else moves up. it makes every level of football important, you'll now pay attention to level two and three so see who's droppign adn moving up. it'll make me watch twice as many game if not more. and watching is the only reason for all this, ie tv money

 

[Ara64]

Your numbers don't add up. There are 130 teams playing in the FBS. You have 46 slots in tier 3 with only two teams to fill them. You could have 33 in tier 2 and 33 in tier 3?