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OT: Another take on Sign of the times

Something I learned some 30 years ago is that once you accept a leadership/management role, you also accept responsibility and accountability, not only for the mental and physical well being of those under your supervision, but the emotional well being as well. This responsibility is not a new concept, in sports or the business world. The phrase that comes to mind is, "people don't care about how much you know, until they know how much you care". Or, if you prefer, "people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
 
Something I learned some 30 years ago is that once you accept a leadership/management role, you also accept responsibility and accountability, not only for the mental and physical well being of those under your supervision, but the emotional well being as well. This responsibility is not a new concept, in sports or the business world. The phrase that comes to mind is, "people don't care about how much you know, until they know how much you care". Or, if you prefer, "people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
I think a lot of people are missing the point. The article indicates that the complaints came from the most recent group of players not a long history of complaints that were never brought forth. He only had two grievances on his record. This was just an opportunity to get rid of a coach that is probably behind the times (sound familiar). Did he do inappropriate things. Likely. But he is getting full pay because the University cannot withstand another lawsuit and they know they don’t have enough to stand on.
 
So true Steelers. Someone near & dear to me but only 18 was told by a new boss that he was an idiot recently. Old school boss, but who is the idiot that doesn’t understand those days are gone?
 
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I think a lot of people are missing the point. The article indicates that the complaints came from the most recent group of players not a long history of complaints that were never brought forth. He only had two grievances on his record. This was just an opportunity to get rid of a coach that is probably behind the times (sound familiar). Did he do inappropriate things. Likely. But he is getting full pay because the University cannot withstand another lawsuit and they know they don’t have enough to stand on.

If Ecarma was earning $4 million plus per year and had
(1) admitted to having extramarital sex on a restaurant table
(2) stripper parties in the athletic dorm that resulted in the vacation of 4 seasons of wins including a national championship, and his only defense for what happened was that he was so out of touch that he didn’t know what was going on in his own program
(3) an assistant paying the father of a player directly while on probation for #2 plus FBI wiretap evidence that an assistant he was supposed to be monitoring closely (since we were already on probation) was arranging a 6-figure payment to a recruit ...

Then maybe we might have decided Ecarma should be fired with cause.

I find it absolutely laughable that people want to equate the firing of Ecarma (or Petrino) to Pitino. The circumstances could not be any more different.
 
If Ecarma was earning $4 million plus per year and had
(1) admitted to having extramarital sex on a restaurant table
(2) stripper parties in the athletic dorm that resulted in the vacation of 4 seasons of wins including a national championship, and his only defense for what happened was that he was so out of touch that he didn’t know what was going on in his own program
(3) an assistant paying the father of a player directly while on probation for #2 plus FBI wiretap evidence that an assistant he was supposed to be monitoring closely (since we were already on probation) was arranging a 6-figure payment to a recruit ...

Then maybe we might have decided Ecarma should be fired with cause.

I find it absolutely laughable that people want to equate the firing of Ecarma (or Petrino) to Pitino. The circumstances could not be any more different.
Where in my post did I compare Pitino to Ecarma?? I was comparing Denny Crum’s firing to Ecarma. Get with it!
 
And MANY think we're "better off" today. :rolleyes:

Everything is somebody else's fault.

No matter what you say, it "offends" someone.

I can still hear my Mother say "I'm gonna give you something to cry about".

What a terrible, unenlightened parent she was.....;)

Say that to a kid today and they'll have you jailed.

And these are our future leaders. :confused:
 
No one should be asked to play through injuries if that’s what happened but somewhere Teddy Bridgewater (Rutgers 2012) and Dave Ragone (2002 Opener) must be snickering at this latest group of Cardinal Tennis dudes.

As for the other stuff, as Eric Crawford said, you just don’t go there, even joking. It’s possible that Ecarma had a good run but there are better options available for the program. If your not getting the most out of the players you are coaching, right or wrong, your going to soon be shown the door. Especially at a Power 5 school.
 
Where in my post did I compare Pitino to Ecarma?? I was comparing Denny Crum’s firing to Ecarma. Get with it!

Wasn’t really aimed at you ... I think I quoted you by mistake -sorry! I was reacting to the idiotic headline in the online CJ that Ecarma was paid the full amount of his contract because UofL dared not “follow its Pitino playbook”
 
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I know Petula Clark. Saw her in Sunset Blvd about 20 years ago. I know her most famous song, Downtown. I have never heard or heard of that song before. I’m no young man, either.
The video has an Austin Powers feel to me. And that cool dress/suit that Petula is wearing could be mistaken for the flag of New Mexico.
 
No one should be asked to play through injuries if that’s what happened but somewhere Teddy Bridgewater (Rutgers 2012) and Dave Ragone (2002 Opener) must be snickering at this latest group of Cardinal Tennis dudes.

As for the other stuff, as Eric Crawford said, you just don’t go there, even joking. It’s possible that Ecarma had a good run but there are better options available for the program. If your not getting the most out of the players you are coaching, right or wrong, your going to soon be shown the door. Especially at a Power 5 school.

Being forced to play through injuries should never be considered. I applaud teddy and ragone for doing so but they risked their careers doing so. Had something happed strong and petrino weren't going to give up any of their millions to help out. Being a louisville legend would have meant nothing. Half the fans telling them they needed to play would either forget them or spouting some version of pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
 
Being forced to play through injuries should never be considered. I applaud teddy and ragone for doing so but they risked their careers doing so. Had something happed strong and petrino weren't going to give up any of their millions to help out. Being a louisville legend would have meant nothing. Half the fans telling them they needed to play would either forget them or spouting some version of pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
I can’t argue with anything you said. I for One was screaming at the TV for John L to go into max protect to save Ragone’s brain in the 2nd half of that game and actually didn’t care if we won or lost. I still don’t like JLS because of it. With Teddy, it was, ‘the only chance of getting to the Sugar Bowl’ was propping him up and putting him in the game in the 2nd half and making sure nobody touched him and they protected him beautifully. It was an incredible scene.

My point was that listening to Tennis dudes complaining about sore calves and not getting updated gear must make guys like the above mentioned studs roll their eyes.
 
Something I learned some 30 years ago is that once you accept a leadership/management role, you also accept responsibility and accountability, not only for the mental and physical well being of those under your supervision, but the emotional well being as well. This responsibility is not a new concept, in sports or the business world. The phrase that comes to mind is, "people don't care about how much you know, until they know how much you care". Or, if you prefer, "people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
I think a lot of people are missing the point. The article indicates that the complaints came from the most recent group of players not a long history of complaints that were never brought forth. He only had two grievances on his record. This was just an opportunity to get rid of a coach that is probably behind the times (sound familiar). Did he do inappropriate things. Likely. But he is getting full pay because the University cannot withstand another lawsuit and they know they don’t have enough to stand on.

I think that was an assumption Crawford made, not the report. He mentioned the gear deal and the former player said basically what gear. That indicates to me it has been going on a long time. The report stated they had interviewed 22 people. I suspect there were individuals from previous years interviewed, but the initial complaint was filed by the current players, which makes complete sense.
 
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I think that was an assumption Crawford made, not the report. He mentioned the gear deal and the former player said basically what gear. That indicates to me it has been going on a long time. The report stated they had interviewed 22 people. I suspect there were individuals from previous years interviewed, but the initial complaint was filed by the current players, which makes complete sense.
Let’s see 29 years assuming 12 players on a roster = 348. So 22 or approximately 6% had a beef with Rex. If the previous players didn’t come forward that’s on them. We’re not talking about physical abuse. Maybe these players didn’t live up to their own hype or their parents, they’re looking for someone to blame. They don’t get any credit from me. Look, I know what happened. It’s ok to move on but don’t try to justify what you did. University went in another direction.
 
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I think that was an assumption Crawford made, not the report. He mentioned the gear deal and the former player said basically what gear. That indicates to me it has been going on a long time. The report stated they had interviewed 22 people. I suspect there were individuals from previous years interviewed, but the initial complaint was filed by the current players, which makes complete sense.
Let’s see 29 years assuming 12 players on a roster = 348. So 22 or approximately 6% had a beef with Rex. If the previous players didn’t come forward that’s on them. We’re not talking about physical abuse. Maybe these players didn’t live up to their own hype or their parents, they’re looking for someone to blame. They don’t get any credit from me. Look, I know what happened. It’s ok to move on but don’t try to justify what you did. University went in another direction.

I think Crawford outlines it pretty good. I think old timers just don’t get how much things have changed. Admittedly not all good, but some change have been good. And we don’t know if players prior to this year complained. They may have been ignored. His record alone warranted a different direction. Pay him move on. He had 29 years that’s darn good in his profession.
 
I heard Crawford and Bozich pimping the web story on 41 last nite.

I realized then and there that was one more Crawford article I wasn't clicking on, and that I'd just wasted another minute of my life I can't get back...
 
All other issues aside, has anyone ever pondered, while loyal, Rex wasn’t that great of a tennis coach?
 
Let’s see 29 years assuming 12 players on a roster = 348. So 22 or approximately 6% had a beef with Rex. If the previous players didn’t come forward that’s on them. We’re not talking about physical abuse. Maybe these players didn’t live up to their own hype or their parents, they’re looking for someone to blame. They don’t get any credit from me. Look, I know what happened. It’s ok to move on but don’t try to justify what you did. University went in another direction.

Or maybe there was something to it which is why the tennis coach got fired. Crawford is making assumptions off skimming a report.
 
It’s not really about Rex. It’s about a pattern and the mistrust of the leaders.
 
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It’s not really about Rex. It’s about a pattern and the mistrust of the leaders.

Thats fine but you have posters calling the players babies and liars. Now forcing players to play injured has become sore calves. Maybe I missed it but the report never actually gave specifics on what injuries or how serious they were.

All of a sudden posters are using mental gymnastics trying to find ways to defend an apparent racist douche because they dislike Tyra.
 
Or maybe there was something to it which is why the tennis coach got fired. Crawford is making assumptions off skimming a report.
You need to fully understand something. If there was anything, in the form of abuse or making players play with injuries, he would have been fired AND they wouldn’t pay him the remainder of his contract, which would have kept Rex till 2023. But they did, which means they hope he goes away peacefully.
 
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Thats fine but you have posters calling the players babies and liars. Now forcing players to play injured has become sore calves. Maybe I missed it but the report never actually gave specifics on what injuries or how serious they were.

All of a sudden posters are using mental gymnastics trying to find ways to defend an apparent racist douche because they dislike Tyra.
First of all, you’re right about the “sore calves” shot from me. It was unnecessary. Not sure about anyone else but I never called anyone a liar. If you read my earlier post or ever have read anything I’ve posted here, you’d know how much I hate racists and narrow minded people. I was simply suggesting that these guys could possibly be a little thin skinned and possibly a little insulated from tough situations in their young lives. It’s possible that Rex, who grew up in a very blue collar part of Louisville in a different era has grown tired of dealing with this.

We are not getting many details from the media or UofL (possibly because of a possible lawsuit) so we are left to guess as UofL fans on a football message board. Maybe Rex just wasn’t a good enough coach. By all means, if you’re privy to more pertinent info on this situation (like calling him a racist douche) please let us in on it. Or did you glean that from Crawford’s column, while dismissing the ‘gear’ issue?
 
Racism is not cool. It is 2019, the time for that is over. See ya Rex!

Another smart move for VINCE! Cleaning house and hiring great names!
 
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All other issues aside, has anyone ever pondered, while loyal, Rex wasn’t that great of a tennis coach?
That's not the debate, but fine, fire him for that. Not the gutless approach that the clowns took again...
 
Racism is not cool. It is 2019, the time for that is over. See ya Rex!

Another smart move for VINCE! Cleaning house and hiring great names!

Racism is more popular now in America than I have ever seen it. I was born post civil rights movement, btw. Now, if you’re a college AD at a public university, you got to squash that crap out, but we are having mass shootings based on race. We have a pro-white president. Neo Nazism is flourishing. Proud Boys, unapologetic white male supremacists, are an actual thing. I don’t mean to take this political, but I’m not stating opinion. I’m stating facts. Racism is at an all time high.
 
Racism is more popular now in America than I have ever seen it. I was born post civil rights movement, btw. Now, if you’re a college AD at a public university, you got to squash that crap out, but we are having mass shootings based on race. We have a pro-white president. Neo Nazism is flourishing. Proud Boys, unapologetic white male supremacists, are an actual thing. I don’t mean to take this political, but I’m not stating opinion. I’m stating facts. Racism is at an all time high.
I will just make one comment. Racism has always been there, it’s only now that is seems to be allowed to surface in many shapes and forms.
 
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Had they played “injured” (we don’t know what the injuries are/were) they would have simply gotten beat faster than they did when healthy. ;)

If the next coach has the same results they should be fired before 29 years.

Even if they baby them.

Times are changing. The younger you are the EASIER life has been for most. Every year you had to “answer” to fewer and fewer people. Parents have to negotiate with children today. Teachers have no disciplinary authority. Police get water thrown on them.

That’s the disconnect between then and now.

Then, you dealt with bullying and lived to talk about it. Today, even I think bullying is much worse. Why? See above. No authority. No discipline.

Then, you played for hard, demanding, sometimes “abusive” coaches....and feel stronger for surviving and learning how to deal with life. Anybody watch “Junction Boys”?

Nobody is condoning anything. We just grew up under different “rules” and can’t understand the things that upset/offend today’s players.

Today? Gangs. Teen suicide. Mass shootings. Zero respect for authority.

But, some still think we’re “better” off. :confused:
 
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Racism is more popular now in America than I have ever seen it. I was born post civil rights movement, btw. Now, if you’re a college AD at a public university, you got to squash that crap out, but we are having mass shootings based on race. We have a pro-white president. Neo Nazism is flourishing. Proud Boys, unapologetic white male supremacists, are an actual thing. I don’t mean to take this political, but I’m not stating opinion. I’m stating facts. Racism is at an all time high.
But its more unacceptable than ever.

I think less people are racist and society is better, but the discussion is now in the public forum. More black people have high level jobs. Its more and more common to see people of different races dating. People are getting fired for being racist more and more.

Black people have felt that they have been treated awful forever, but now with social media they have a voice and are standing up for their rights. We are just seeing it now because the media is amplifying our divisions. Those racist white supremacists now have social media and can be seen too.

Police brutality is a bad example. Police have been treating black people bad for years. We just now are seeing it on video. Does not mean its worse, it just means we can see it and no longer ignore it.
 
And MANY think we're "better off" today. :rolleyes:

Everything is somebody else's fault.

No matter what you say, it "offends" someone.

I can still hear my Mother say "I'm gonna give you something to cry about".

What a terrible, unenlightened parent she was.....;)

Say that to a kid today and they'll have you jailed.

And these are our future leaders. :confused:

I'm with this insensitive, archaic, assh*le. You kids, with your goddamned gluten free safe spaces, are going to someday get the harsh reality you deserve.
 
I'm with this insensitive, archaic, assh*le. You kids, with your goddamned gluten free safe spaces, are going to someday get the harsh reality you deserve.
Ahhh

A “we love everybody, we play by the rules” lib had to comment with a name calling personal attack.

As my unenlightened, archaic Mother would say, takes one to know one. :D

But I say....I don’t give chit what you say because you have the right to say it.

But should we meet I don’t think you would.

Classic lib style
 
Ahhh

A “we love everybody, we play by the rules” lib had to comment with a name calling personal attack.

As my unenlightened, archaic Mother would say, takes one to know one. :D

But I say....I don’t give chit what you say because you have the right to say it.

But should we meet I don’t think you would.

Classic lib style

It does take one to know one...as I have been called everything I called you. I just made the mistake of not making my sarcasm clear. There are no gluten free safe spaces in my household. We're a dying breed though.
 
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