Mike Zimmer calls CBP a gutless MF....

[nccardfan]

Mike Zimmer, coach of the Vikings reacted to the Colburn story by saying he wasn't surprise. Zimmer was the DC for the Atlanta Falcons when Bobby decided to resign. Zimmer said that Bobby would get the staff together and then he never heard from him again. None of the players were told according to Zimmer. When first asked what he thought about Petrino, Zimmer called him a "gutless b**stard". When he was told he couldn't use that word, replied well he is a gutless MF. Ironic that his best player is from U of L and Parker may be a potential draft pick.

 

[zipp]

Evidently, Petrino's a "gutless MF-er" who knows how to coach.

Works for me.

And I hope Parker gets picked by the team BEFORE the Vikes. And no, NFL fans, I'm not interested what team that is. As much as I'd like to see Teddy and our boy teamed up again, the MF-er Teddy plays for doesn't deserve Parker...

 

[hintondc]

Come on zipp, Bobby should be on his best behavior with his history...his BEST behavior. As a season ticket holder and avid card fan I don't want to see us become the Oakland Raiders of college football, do you? We pride ourselves on doing it the classy way and Bobby needs to go back to class.

 

[zipp]

I don't know jack about pro football, so I don't know what the Oakland Raiders analogy means.

If it means I've got a hard-nosed coach who plays by the rules, graduates his kids, and doesn't give a damn what most people think, I like your analogy.

Petrino is making me more and more

with each passing day...

 

[rentalman]

I can understand Zimmer's anger. Bobby handled that situation very poorly. We look at Sports teams in terms of wins and losses etc. But don't forget, this is how coaches make their living. And back in those days assistants were paid well, but not nearly what they are paid now. So Bobby runs out the exit door and here are the assistant coaches wondering what their future is going to be.

As to the grey-shirt situation. It really pisses me off how the press is reporting this. Yesterday in the Houston Chronicle there was a couple of paragraphs about it. They said the scholaship "was pulled". I thought to myself, whose writing this article Brian Williams? Whatever happened to the days when news organization double checked their facts.

One final thought, the thing that does bother me about how our staff handled this was the timing. I have to believe that 3 or 4 weeks before signing date the staff thought it was possible they would ask one or more players to grey-shirt. I also believe they knew who they would ask to do that. At that point they should have had the discussion about the possibility. I realize you might lose someone that you might not have but I believe in being up front with people.

 

[Cue Card]

Originally posted by rentalman:
I can understand Zimmer's anger. Bobby handled that situation very poorly. We look at Sports teams in terms of wins and losses etc. But don't forget, this is how coaches make their living. And back in those days assistants were paid well, but not nearly what they are paid now. So Bobby runs out the exit door and here are the assistant coaches wondering what their future is going to be.

As to the grey-shirt situation. It really pisses me off how the press is reporting this. Yesterday in the Houston Chronicle there was a couple of paragraphs about it. They said the scholaship "was pulled". I thought to myself, whose writing this article Brian Williams? Whatever happened to the days when news organization double checked their facts.

One final thought, the thing that does bother me about how our staff handled this was the timing. I have to believe that 3 or 4 weeks before signing date the staff thought it was possible they would ask one or more players to grey-shirt. I also believe they knew who they would ask to do that. At that point they should have had the discussion about the possibility. I realize you might lose someone that you might not have but I believe in being up front with people.

I honestly can't. That happened when again? That's right, all that happened before Bobby learned his life lessons and became a more humble human being.

This issue with this recruit got blown way out of proportion. If Petrino was the only coach to ever do this to any recruit ever then I could get on board with how shitty it is. The truth is the kid still had a his opportunity to be a Cardinal by delaying his college career by 4 months. FOUR. The kid didn't want to wait so he went to UCF. Good for him. Life goes on and we'll be fine without him. I do wish him the best though and I hope he really blows up and has a great college and pro career. I too at first was angry about the treatment but once I learned more about the situation, I calmed down and stopped being reactive. We all should learn to take the time to gather all the facts before speaking out, especially in this information ready world we live in today.

 

[beakwithteeth]

I don't give a rats ass what Zimmer thinks. He's lucky CBP wasn't here when Teddy was a Card or his Vikes wouldn't have gotten a sniff of Bridgewater due to CBP's ability to coach up a QB.

The Atlanta situation has been spoken about many times by Kentucky's own, Joe B. Hall, whose son in law was a coach on the team at that time as well. Like Obermann and others reporting, all of the facts aren't often presented to create a headline, fit an agenda, or form an opinion.

When we heard that TJ was bringing CBP back into the fold, it was well known that well over 100 ex-players he coached contacted TJ and were 100% for it. TJ said it several times in pressers etc. That list included Bush, Brohm, Wood, Dumervil and on and on.

"Hiring him back is the best move Louisville could have made," said Harry Douglas, who played for Petrino at Louisville from 2004 to 2006. "No matter what anybody else says, I played for him, and I know the kind of coach he is, and I know how he can get the best out of his players."

At the end of the day grayshirting is apart of the recruiting process.



This post was edited on 2/7 10:50 AM by beakwithteeth

 

[beakwithteeth]

As per Atlanta Coach Mike Summers, see link.

"He was going to finish the year. He was not going to walk out. But they changed the locks on the door so he could not get back to the locker room. There was a lot more to that story."

link

 

[EasyCard]

I'm sure CBP thoughts on the events of what happened at Atlanta would paint a different picture.

I heard the relationship between CBP and Blank got unreconcilable surrounding the Michael Vick fiasco and the broken promises regarding CBP's influence on picking personnel.

It would have been ideal for Petrino to address the team once the decision was made to leave the organization, but this isn't college or hs. The NFL is a business with a much stronger employee/employer relationship. Many times the end of employment can get so heated its best for the former employee to just leave the company immediately. The coaches and players that remained were grown men under the employment of the owner not endured to the loyalty of Petrino and vice versa. The outrage of Petrinos departure is overblown when put in the context of the NFL. If I arrived at work Monday to find out my boss left the company over the weekend due to a dispute with ownership I wouldn't expect to see Him/ her giving a fair well speech to the staff later in the day.

CBP's perceived transgressions are heightened with the incidence at Ark. Todd Graham left Pitt and his team was informed when the pic of him and the family on a private ASU plane popped up on Twitter. These players were recruited and their parents were given promises by Graham, but he left on a whim. Graham's actions are forgotten.

 

[beakwithteeth]

Easy, I Agree 100%...

 

[cuzimacardfan]

All I know is that Garrick McGee came back here to coach with him after coaching in the past. Todd Grantham, after all the hoopla about them not liking each other, stayed here. His former players tell recruits to come here and lobbied for Petrino to get the job when Strong left.

Zimmer doesn't like Petrino, and that's fine. But he's just one guy. I am sure some others don't like him too. His players like him and the coaches here like him. That's all I care about.

 

[CardX]

That Zimmer quote is nearly 5 years old, fwiw.

 

[beakwithteeth]

Since we're going down that path, here's the next thing.

If everyone in this community that has had an illicit affair or hired someone because of a personal relationship was exposed or called out, there would be a lot of folks called out.

We're talking doctors, lawyers, priests, teachers, professors, bankers, media folks, athletes, restaurateurs, major sponsors, auto dealers, liquor folks, pharma reps, real estate brokers/agents, etc. etc.etc.


Sooo many hypocrites, sooo little time.

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by rentalman:
...Yesterday in the Houston Chronicle there was a couple of paragraphs about it. They said the scholaship "was pulled". I thought to myself, whose writing this article Brian Williams? Whatever happened to the days when news organization double checked their facts.

One final thought, the thing that does bother me about how our staff handled this was the timing. I have to believe that 3 or 4 weeks before signing date the staff thought it was possible they would ask one or more players to grey-shirt. I also believe they knew who they would ask to do that. At that point they should have had the discussion about the possibility. I realize you might lose someone that you might not have but I believe in being up front with people. And maybe you oughta follow your own advice.

At the same time you're criticizing someone for taking a strong position without all the facts, I'd like to know how many of the "facts" in your 2nd paragraph you researched? I "believe" it wasn't many.

That's the problem with this debate... There are maybe 3-4 people on this planet who actually have the facts about this matter, only one is talking, and I'm not sure I'm getting the truth from that guy. Excuse me if I'm giving our side the benefit of the doubt...

 

[Mike'sMarbles]

It's not surprising guys like Zimmer will take any opportunity to slam Petrino. Let's face it, Petrino burned a lot of bridges with NFL people the way he left the Falcons. This is part of the negative baggage risk Jurich took when he brought Petrino in. So far it's paid off overall. 9 wins, Bowl game, decent recruiting class, no arrests on the team that I'm aware of.

 

[beakwithteeth]

"Petrino burned a lot of bridges with NFL people the way he left the Falcons."

The point is, those bridges didn't go all the way across to begin with. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good 'ole "witch" I mean bridge burning.

bwt

link

 

[shamcard]

He went to UCF?!! What happened to the reported Wake forest offer?

 

[Steelers2012]

Originally posted by shamcard:
He went to UCF?!! What happened to the reported Wake forest offer?

To the best of my knowledge, Matt Colburn has not signed anywhere yet.

 

[Cue Card]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:

Originally posted by shamcard:
He went to UCF?!! What happened to the reported Wake forest offer?

To the best of my knowledge, Matt Colburn has not signed anywhere yet.

My mistake. I thought I read where he decided to go to UCF. Getting old sucks but it beats the other option.

 

[rentalman]

Fair point Zipp. I don't have the facts as to when and how Colburn was told. I am assuming he was told 2 days before signing day and that the subject had not been discussed with him before that. I think thats a pretty reasonable assumption given his reaction. I will also point out I'm not getting paid to write this stuff like the folks at the Chronicle. I think that raises the bar on them a little .

As to the point someone made about the locks being changed at the facility it does not change the fact that BP bailed on the Falcons in his first year in the midst of a horrible season. His actions remind me of the Ship Company Executive in the movie "Titanic" who hops in the life boat leaving others to go down with the ship. So again I will state I understand Zimmer's anger.

Final point. I am not a BP hater. I was glad TJ hired him. I hope he indeed has learned lessons from the mistakes he has made in his life and has indeed changed. I have made a lot of mistakes in my life. Like BP I can't go back and erase them. But what I do try to learn from them and not make them again. Hope he is doing the same.
This post was edited on 2/8 9:26 AM by rentalman

This post was edited on 2/8 9:27 AM by rentalman

 

[beakwithteeth]

"As to the point someone made about the locks being changed at the facility it does not change the fact that BP bailed on the Falcons in his first year in the midst of a horrible season[/B]. His actions remind me of the Ship Company Executive in the movie "Titanic" who hops in the life boat leaving others to go down with the ship. So again I will state I understand Zimmer's anger."


How exactly is it bailing if they lock you out of the facility? Your "Titanic" analogy is pretty stupid too. It'd be more like throwing the Captain overboard.

To think a coach of Petrino's ability wouldn't have landed on his feet elsewhere very quickly is naive. Just because it happened almost overnight doesn't change a thing. Arkansas came after him w a vengeance. It was a great fit for both parties.

 

[PushupMan]

Usually, players receive their National Letter of Intent form when they visit the school. The form as filled out by UofL would indicate special circumstances, such as delayed enrollment (or grey shirt).

So my assumption is that Matt Colburn, at the latest, knew that he had a grey shirt offer on January 16th.

 

[zipp]

Bottom line for me was that U of L was giving the kid one hell of an opportunity regardless of the contingencies or conditions. He had a dozen offers, and none of them but U of L was from a P5 school. That right there should have told anyone--including the kid and his family and coach--something.

Either U of L was taking a chance on you, or you were an undiscovered talent. If the former, keep your fingers crossed. If the latter, keep taking visits and shopping yourself. Doesn't sound like he did either.

And then the ingratitude of "if I don't get my unconditional P5 scholly, then screw you!" Screw him!! See how many other football programs like U of L's will give you a free ride.

I think the kid was getting bad advice this week. And that's the only reason I'd take him if he sobers up and comes here anyway. Otherwise, it's good luck wherever you end up...

 

[rentalman]

So Bird Brain, you don't think ditching a team in year one of your contract is a problem? I don't care how hard Arkansas pursued him. He made Arthur Blank owner of the Falcons look like sh*t. He hires this guy and then tells the fans this guy is going to lead us to the super bowl. Then in the middle of year 1, a terrible season to boot, he takes another job. It reeks of lack of character. I would have locked his ass out of the facility too. Not a single player would have had ounce of respect for him.

 

[PushupMan]

Originally posted by rentalman:
So Bird Brain, you don't think ditching a team in year one of your contract is a problem? I don't care how hard Arkansas pursued him. He made Arthur Blank owner of the Falcons look like sh*t. He hires this guy and then tells the fans this guy is going to lead us to the super bowl. Then in the middle of year 1, a terrible season to boot, he takes another job. It reeks of lack of character. I would have locked his ass out of the facility too. Not a single player would have had ounce of respect for him.

Just based on the way we threw Bobby under the bus all throughout the Kragthorpe tenure, it is my expectation that a lot of the crap that Petrino faced after he left for Arkansas was orchestrated by the Atlanta Falcons PR department. They would do that in order to insulate themselves from the fallout of making a bad coaching hire.

And it is my guess that Petrino didn't really care to defend himself against either UofL's PR campaign or Atlanta's, because he was already employed and well-paid by - in the first case, the Atlanta Falcons - and in the second case, the Arkansas Razorbacks.

 

[EasyCard]

Did you read the link? An Falcon assistant at the time says Bobby offered to coach the rest of the season and the response by ownership was to lock him out of the facility.

 

[beakwithteeth]

Don't let those pesky facts get in the way Easy

. Rentalmom must prefer to start reading books 3-4 chapters in. Why not, especially if it makes the story line fit your opinion?

Go Cards!

 

[PushupMan]

Joe B Hall (information he received from his son-in-law, Mike Summers, a coach with Petrino at Atlanta and UofL, and also on OL coach under Joker Phillips at UK):

"The situation was not him (Petrino) leaving team with three games to go. He went into management to bench a couple of starters that were causing problems and they told him he couldn't do it. He said was to have complete control but they said he couldn't bench players they were paying big money. He told them then he would be not be back the next year and they said he was finished now. He was going to finish the year. He was not going to walk out. But they changed the locks on the door so he could not get back to the locker room. There was a lot more to that story."

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by beakwithteeth:
Don't let those pesky facts get in the way Easy

. Rentalmom must prefer to start reading books 3-4 chapters in. Why not, especially if it makes the story line fit your opinion?

Go Cards!I don't know enough about the Falcons stuff to weigh in on this discussion. As I've said many times, I'm not an NFL or pro sports fan.

When he was rehired, what Petrino did after he left here is/was not as much of a concern as what he did here in his previous tenure. My view is that Petrino was ham-handed at handling the delicate stuff that most coaches do as well. Even getting caught at Arkansas doing what he was doing is not unusual. He just got caught.

He took this program to places it had never been and where no previous coach could take us, except for Schnelly. Whatever U of L issues he created were between him and Jurich. And if Jurich was putting that in the past, so was I.

But not everyone can do that. rental appears to be one guy. I know that other posters here whom I respect like Rollem still see that baggage in Petrino. And that's fine and it's going to cloud issues like the Colburn situation. I'm going to always suggest that we strip away the baggage and analyze the facts from both sides of the issue...

 

[cardstud1]

Originally posted by rentalman:
I can understand Zimmer's anger. Bobby handled that situation very poorly. We look at Sports teams in terms of wins and losses etc. But don't forget, this is how coaches make their living. And back in those days assistants were paid well, but not nearly what they are paid now. So Bobby runs out the exit door and here are the assistant coaches wondering what their future is going to be.

As to the grey-shirt situation. It really pisses me off how the press is reporting this. Yesterday in the Houston Chronicle there was a couple of paragraphs about it. They said the scholaship "was pulled". I thought to myself, whose writing this article Brian Williams? Whatever happened to the days when news organization double checked their facts.

One final thought, the thing that does bother me about how our staff handled this was the timing. I have to believe that 3 or 4 weeks before signing date the staff thought it was possible they would ask one or more players to grey-shirt. I also believe they knew who they would ask to do that. At that point they should have had the discussion about the possibility. I realize you might lose someone that you might not have but I believe in being up front with people.

R-Man, according to Joe B Hall reflecting on the Crum & Joe b radio show Joe B stated that his son-n-law who was coaching with Bobby at Atlanta said that an incident occurred with the Atl. players and Bobby disciplined them and management intervened on players behalf and Bobby called management on it and management got pissed. Bobby reflected that he was promised control of the team and discipline to be taken and Atl. Man. balked on the contract and what it stated so Bobby left Atl. for Arkansas.

 

[Capt Tony]

Originally posted by PushupMan:
Joe B Hall (information he received from his son-in-law, Mike Summers, a coach with Petrino at Atlanta and UofL, and also on OL coach under Joker Phillips at UK):

"The situation was not him (Petrino) leaving team with three games to go. He went into management to bench a couple of starters that were causing problems and they told him he couldn't do it. He said was to have complete control but they said he couldn't bench players they were paying big money. He told them then he would be not be back the next year and they said he was finished now. He was going to finish the year. He was not going to walk out. But they changed the locks on the door so he could not get back to the locker room. There was a lot more to that story."

This was the way I understood it to be as well, and just one more example of Petrino being scapegoated by someone or an organization. I've learned over the last year that the best way to deal with all of this negative crap it to stop watching and reading about it, so I rarely entertain threads about this BS. We will be better than fine with BP as our coach and I wouldn't change a thing. We are positioned VERY well for the future. Go Cards!!