Long term impact of UK intimidation of refs?
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BTW, I haven't made the first attempt to analyze any of the LPT rants about the official(s) in Sunday's game. I wasn't watching the game that closely in real time, and I have no interest in going back and looking at a game replay or highlights. And for one reason...
LPT fans are the Chicken Littles of college basketball officiating. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!" And who's taking them seriously? As usual, they're their own worst enemies. I couldn't count on one hand THIS SEASON how many times they've b!tched about bad officiating--which is no different than any other year. I'm completely desensitized to this issue with any LPT fan or poster...They have zero credibility.
When they STFU about bad calls and how royally screwed they are--someday--their POVs might matter. Hopefully, there are a lotta other people besides U of L fans who recognize this and feel the same way. They might get credit for eating and breathing college basketball, but their opinions on officiating aren't worth the time it takes to express them.
"Elite program," my a$$...
LPT fans are the Chicken Littles of college basketball officiating. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!" And who's taking them seriously? As usual, they're their own worst enemies. I couldn't count on one hand THIS SEASON how many times they've b!tched about bad officiating--which is no different than any other year. I'm completely desensitized to this issue with any LPT fan or poster...They have zero credibility.
When they STFU about bad calls and how royally screwed they are--someday--their POVs might matter. Hopefully, there are a lotta other people besides U of L fans who recognize this and feel the same way. They might get credit for eating and breathing college basketball, but their opinions on officiating aren't worth the time it takes to express them.
"Elite program," my a$$...
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If Higgins never calls another Kentucky game it seems like a win to me. With that being said if we make the tournament next year I expect him to be our ref
That's all you got? That you hope the intimidation worked?!? The only thing cat fans should be doing at this moment is to do everything in their power to quell the lunacy that has taken over their fan base by trying to blame a basketball loss on one individual just doing his job. Anything else is unacceptable. That includes you, because you obviously have no problem with what transpired, and hope that it helps your beloved cayuuuuts in the future. BBN is everything that is wrong with college basketball, and now the rest of the world knows what we have known all along. Pathetic.
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People in general have short attention spans especially in our microwave society way of life. Everyone is in a big hurry all the time.
Before the start of the next basketball season (and probably a lot sooner than that), this will have faded from the headlines and nobody will remember it other than John Higgins. He'll remember it.
Why would a ref have a roofing company? That's the kind of business where usually the owner has to be involved. He's making 200k officiating games and he has the time and effort to do roofing? Anyways, I'm OK with some of their shenanigans. The death threats are obviously way overboard and inappropriate. Some of the other stuff is obviously meant in humor.
Any press is good press. And if he's really roofing, business should be picking up thanks to the cats efforts. No one in OK is going to take those KY reviews seriously IMO.
Any press is good press. And if he's really roofing, business should be picking up thanks to the cats efforts. No one in OK is going to take those KY reviews seriously IMO.
Threatening someone's life is never the answer to any situation but I'm not too sure it even happened because based on experience I have no reason to believe anything that Higgins says is true. If I personally knew that someone threatened his life I would suggest that they didn't do that.
I don't blame the officiating. We had a 5 point lead in the last few minutes and didn't close. However, I have yet to see anyone commend the officials for the way they called the first half. Usually, sports talking heads are wary of criticizing refs, but I have seen many of the best and most respected members of the sports world talking about that first half. Mike and Mike both commented that it was bad, as did Jay Williams, Doug Gottlieb, and Dan Wolken.
All that said, threatening an officials life or attacking his business is stupid.
Congrats to UNC on the win, they earned it.
All that said, threatening an officials life or attacking his business is stupid.
Congrats to UNC on the win, they earned it.
Of course you don't think it happened. This is my shocked face. Cat fans are SO predictable. And just to prove my point, here you are STILL not willing to call out the idiot cat fans that can't deal with a loss appropriately, which makes you just as bad as them. You should feel completely EMBARRASSED, but instead you're on here trying to justify those morons behavior.
Actually it would appear he's trying to deny the behavior ever happened in spite of the trail of evidence. He thinks Higgins made it all up. LOL. Now maybe you understand why ThroughBlue is on ignore. IMO, he should be banned from this site on principle alone. He has shown his bluethrough colors time after time and it's nauseating.
For sure, I've never witnessed deviant behavior among any LPT fans.
"Elite program," my a$$...
Zipp, you said you didn't watch the game, so how are you even qualified to make a comment to the fact that in this particular game between Ky. and UNC that the officiating was not horrendous. Tom Leach and MIKE Pratt, who do the U.K. Broadcast network of Ky. ball games repeatedly commented how one call after the other by Higgins was atrocious and biased against Ky. There is a 5 minute video that I am sure u can access through google showing how bad just the first half was. There were also numerous bad calls in the second half that do not appear on this video. View it, then post an INFORMED opinion as to whether the officiating was pro UNC or not. Are u suggesting that the very respected broadcast team of Tom and MIKE are individuals that should lack no credibility whatsoever? Two many national media people commented in fact, that the first half was terribly officiated and biased against UK for there not to have been a problem. For once Zipp, why don't you try to look at the facts before making another one of your baseless and unfounded opinions based just on your negative feelings against all things BBN.
Maybe you should have cued up to the top of this thread and started reading before making your first post...
LPT fans b!tch and whine about officiating CONSTANTLY. It must be a requirement in the slapd!ck fan handbook. I know for damn sure that you've never lost a well-officiated game.
How do I know when that schlock is true or not? Because Tom and Mike tell me? Newsflash: they do it constantly too! It's in their radio call handbook. Poor LPT gets jobbed every time down the court... "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"
So, you tell me when you guys start moderating your complaints about officiating, and I'll start watching your games to see how well they're officiated. And I'm not holding my breath waiting for that.
"Elite program," my a$$...
I don't mind the home team broadcasters bitching about bad calls. As a matter of fact, I wish Paul and Bobby V would do more of it. !
Complaining about referees is pointless and it just makes me wanna scream when I see our fans do it ("Oh no, it's 8 on 5!!" and all that BS). The only time I've ever blamed a ref for anything was when Kyle Kuric was called for a technical foul (taunting) after his dunk in South Bend when he didn't say or do a damn thing. That one still pisses me off. Other than that, whatever, refs are human, it all balances out.
First of all hats off to OmegaCard. At least he is willing to admit we got screwed. Now the following points:
1. Have U.K. fans or any other fan base ever complained about officiating after a loss. Absolutely.
2. Did some UK fans go over board with the treatment of Higgins on his personal Faceboard and Business Message Board. Absolutely . Were death threats actually made? Who knows as there is no proof one way or the other.
3. Seth Greenberg commented today on KSR radio that he has been told by many officials over the years that they have received death threats after hotly contested basketball games. This would be nothing new if it did happen.
4.Seth also said in his business as being a coach, that he knew of many instances where certain officials had agendas with certain coaches. He said in fact that he felt Higgins had it in for Cal and he too felt the officiating U.K. got from Higgins was not up to par.
So Zipp, I have admitted U.K. is not without fault with the way the whole Higgins thing has gone down and yes we like other fans have complained about past officiated games. However, that was then and this is now. One of your own though, Omegacard has said U.K. in this particular instant did not get a fair whistle. Please go back and review for yourself, as it will only be about 5 minutes out of your life and for once say, perhaps U.K. did get unfair treatment and in fact some of Higgins problems are in part due to the lack of integrity and honesty he showed in officiating the game with such huge stakes at hand. You will be the bigger man for having done this and it will only enhance your credibility going forward. Thanks for your time card fans and I go in peace.
1. Have U.K. fans or any other fan base ever complained about officiating after a loss. Absolutely.
2. Did some UK fans go over board with the treatment of Higgins on his personal Faceboard and Business Message Board. Absolutely . Were death threats actually made? Who knows as there is no proof one way or the other.
3. Seth Greenberg commented today on KSR radio that he has been told by many officials over the years that they have received death threats after hotly contested basketball games. This would be nothing new if it did happen.
4.Seth also said in his business as being a coach, that he knew of many instances where certain officials had agendas with certain coaches. He said in fact that he felt Higgins had it in for Cal and he too felt the officiating U.K. got from Higgins was not up to par.
So Zipp, I have admitted U.K. is not without fault with the way the whole Higgins thing has gone down and yes we like other fans have complained about past officiated games. However, that was then and this is now. One of your own though, Omegacard has said U.K. in this particular instant did not get a fair whistle. Please go back and review for yourself, as it will only be about 5 minutes out of your life and for once say, perhaps U.K. did get unfair treatment and in fact some of Higgins problems are in part due to the lack of integrity and honesty he showed in officiating the game with such huge stakes at hand. You will be the bigger man for having done this and it will only enhance your credibility going forward. Thanks for your time card fans and I go in peace.
It will have zero effect.
The bottom line --- the game was called just like every other game in the tourney. A couple of calls were missed - BOTH WAYS.
But UK Fans are idiots. There is ALWAYS some reason they lost other than the fact they didn't make the plays they needed to win the game. There's a grand conspiracy "keeping them down", and "stealing the title from them".
It's freakin' childish, and pure and utter garbage.
The bottom line --- the game was called just like every other game in the tourney. A couple of calls were missed - BOTH WAYS.
But UK Fans are idiots. There is ALWAYS some reason they lost other than the fact they didn't make the plays they needed to win the game. There's a grand conspiracy "keeping them down", and "stealing the title from them".
It's freakin' childish, and pure and utter garbage.
That's a good question, ACCCard. Right now, the responsibility for this issue is squarely on the shoulders of John Calipari for his inflammatory comment about the officiating, and of course the losers that threatened the ref's life. But in the long term the responsibility shifts to the NCAA and the SEC.
IMO, both of those organizations should punish John Calipari to the maximum extent of the rules. Going forward, the NCAA needs to enact very strict rules about criticizing of officials in any form. Punishments should include big fines starting at $1 million for the first offense, and suspensions that increase each time. The coaches would get an appeal process.
If the NCAA doesn't stand behind their referees then the league deserves what it gets. The integrity of their game is at stake.
I don't expect any punishment of Calipari or reform of the rules to happen. The NCAA doesn't have the courage to address this issue. They'll simply wait for it to blow over and hope it's an isolated incident. My guess is Calipari helped open a Pandora's Box, and we'll see more of this kind of thing in the future.
For sure, I've never witnessed deviant behavior among any LPT fans.
"Elite program," my a$$...
The deviant behavior is proven fact I read through most of the comments posted to his business profile. The death threats are not.
There is a difference in "I hope you get hit by a bus" and "I'm going to kill you and your family". If there was actual death threats I would expect an arrest to be made at some point because he said it is recorded on a private line
You card fans absolutely are priceless. Trying to say the UK vs. UNC game was called fairly and there were calls missed both ways is beyond idiotic. I challenge any UL fan to sit down with me and have an a neutral arbitrator/mediator watch the game and decide if it was called with bias against U.K. or fairly as you would suggest is comical. I will pay the arbitrator and bet you any amount that the arbitrator will decide in behalf of the fact that UK got screwed.
Furthermore to suggest Cal be fined by the NCAA for complaining about the officiating. Just last year at half time of the UK vs. UL game in Rupp, Pitino came out to start the half and was belly aching about the officiating as he does so often. Watch the video of all the bad calls against UK and try to come back and say with a straight face that U.K. did not get a screwing by the officiating especially John Higgins. Again I will be any UL fan any amount that any arbitrator/ mediator will say U.K. Did in fact get screwed. Put your money where your mouth is.
Furthermore to suggest Cal be fined by the NCAA for complaining about the officiating. Just last year at half time of the UK vs. UL game in Rupp, Pitino came out to start the half and was belly aching about the officiating as he does so often. Watch the video of all the bad calls against UK and try to come back and say with a straight face that U.K. did not get a screwing by the officiating especially John Higgins. Again I will be any UL fan any amount that any arbitrator/ mediator will say U.K. Did in fact get screwed. Put your money where your mouth is.
Time to feed a starving troll for a moment before I head off to bed.
1. I didn't see the game, and I want to make sure this is very clear and concise. I really don't care if the game was called poorly, fairly, unfairly, or great. The only thing that matters is the final score and UofK LOST THE GAME. End of season. Deal with it. That's just sports.
2. The mere fact you STILL want to whine about the ref while making excuses and justifications for an idiotic fan base by saying Higgins possibly made it all up just shows how delusional and extreme you are with your thought processes. For crying out loud, what possible reason would Higgins have to make it up? What the hell is wrong with you? Is it mental instability or are you just that stupid? Never mind. I really don't want to know nor do I really care. I just wanted to feed a starving troll. Hope you're full. That's all you're getting from me.
It's like death and taxes....listening to uk fans whine after every loss.
I also think most of our losses to UK during the regular season are because of refs.
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Attaboy! I'm sure those slappies thought you were converting over.
"Elite program," my a$$...
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