Keeping Adel And King Together?

[shadow force]

I realize the competition the last two games wasn't spectacular, but the Cards have played good team ball with Adel out.

Earsky brought this up in the game thread: Will or SHOULD Coach Padgett keep Adel and King together in the starting line up, or sub one in for the other and keep Perry starting with Q?

Thoughts?

 

[NISMOZCARD]

He should keep them together ON THE BENCH!!!

 

[Rollem Cards]

King actually played better with DA out.

He actually had some dish offs.

When DA is in everybody figures they better shoot because he’s not giving it back.

My vote is DA comes off the bench, and goes back on it at the first
“Me ball”.

 

[CardsHoopsFaninPA]

King played better today after he came out and then was reinserted. That said, he is a liability. He doesn't pass the ball. Perry had 7 assists, McMahon and Q had 5, King had 1. He is a below average defender, he avoids contact on both ends of the floor. Maybe today will give him some confidence. I root for the kid, but he just hasn't figured it out.

This team is much better with Perry, Q, and McMahon rotating in the backcourt. It's hard to bench Adel for long periods. To beat these good teams coming up on the schedule sometimes you need someone to get hot. Adel does get hot sometimes. I hate watching him play defense, I hate watching him take ill advised shots, but I do like when he gets hot with his jumper.

I'd let Adel start, and I think Nwora has earned increased minutes ahead of VJ at this point. Nwora is another guy that can stroke it from deep. For that fact, I'm not sure Williams shouldn't get some minutes even with both the other bigs on the floor.

To me, VJ is the odd man out at this point. I'm curious as to what VJ shows in practice. Some guys practice really well/hard, but it just doesn't translate to the game. Trying to get everyone some minutes and find a good rotation is hard for any coach. It may really test a rookie coach with no experience.

 

[Louisville JD]

King played better today after he came out and then was reinserted. That said, he is a liability. He doesn't pass the ball. Perry had 7 assists, McMahon and Q had 5, King had 1. He is a below average defender, he avoids contact on both ends of the floor. Maybe today will give him some confidence. I root for the kid, but he just hasn't figured it out.

This team is much better with Perry, Q, and McMahon rotating in the backcourt. It's hard to bench Adel for long periods. To beat these good teams coming up on the schedule sometimes you need someone to get hot. Adel does get hot sometimes. I hate watching him play defense, I hate watching him take ill advised shots, but I do like when he gets hot with his jumper.

I'd let Adel start, and I think Nwora has earned increased minutes ahead of VJ at this point. Nwora is another guy that can stroke it from deep. For that fact, I'm not sure Williams shouldn't get some minutes even with both the other bigs on the floor.

To me, VJ is the odd man out at this point. I'm curious as to what VJ shows in practice. Some guys practice really well/hard, but it just doesn't translate to the game. Trying to get everyone some minutes and find a good rotation is hard for any coach. It may really test a rookie coach with no experience.

Have VJ and Adel share the 3. Rotate Darius, Ryan and Jordan at the 2 and backup PG.
If Deng becomes the shut down defender he was with Rick this team gets to another level.
VJ looked strong finishing drives today. Hope he's turned that corner.
This team is deep with lots of different weapons! Let's go

 

[earsky]

I'd say we're a much better team offensively with Q not having to dribble penetrate so much. He reaps the benefits of having a true point out there with him, as do the others. And, Perry's unselfish play seems to be contagious.

 

[francomite]

The idea of a platoon system intrigues me as these young players emerge and deserve playing time. Good experience going down to the wire. What say you guys?
Mahmoud Williams
Adel Spaulding
Gnorra King
Snider Perry
Sutton McMahon

 

[wilkie01]

Adel seems to not be missed.

 

[Cue Card]

I realize the competition the last two games wasn't spectacular, but the Cards have played good team ball with Adel out.

Earsky brought this up in the game thread: Will or SHOULD Coach Padgett keep Adel and King together in the starting line up, or sub one in for the other and keep Perry starting with Q?

Thoughts?

They have the same skill set IMO. Adel plays better most of the time though. King played better today, but it had more to do with how bad Pitt is than how much better King played. We'll see how he fairs next Saturday when the Tar Heels come to town.

Losing those two games at home to FSU and Syracuse really burns. Turn those two around to the win column and this team has 10 ACC wins and probably ranked in the top 15.

UNC has a really good team but if the Cards play up to their potential, they can beat the Tar Heels.

Go CARDS!!!

 

[MikeMcCammon]

Adel seems to not be missed.

The team is actually playing much better without him. The way he has played this year with all the bad shots, he is toxic and a detriment to the team. Obviously his talent could make us better but not unless he changes his ways. If he comes back and continues to do what he was doing before, I would rather he never see the floor.

 

[David Gilmour]

Whats just so hard to tell for the reason that we look 100% better the last 2 game is because of the comp. or the fact that Deng is on the bench. Gonna go comp., but it needs to be explored as to why our offense in particular seems to flow a little better without Deng. Is it just comp.?

 

[ShortCreek]

The team is actually playing much better without him. The way he has played this year with all the bad shots, he is toxic and a detriment to the team. Obviously his talent could make us better but not unless he changes his ways. If he comes back and continues to do what he was doing before, I would rather he never see the floor.

While Adel has his faults, I don’t think you can take much from this small sample size against horrible competition. If we had delivered these results against some of the better teams in the conference I’d be more inclined to agree that his role should change.

I’d like to see the staff have a lengthy film session with him (I’m sure this has probably aIready happened) and show him what is expected. I think a better option is to insert Adel back into his spot but with certain parameters that are vocalized to him. Then keep him on a super short leash and show him the bench when he violates his walking orders.

 

[rockycard]

Adel has to play for us to compete with the upper echelon teams, but I hope DP has a short leash whenever he plays selfishly.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

While Adel has his faults, I don’t think you can take much from this small sample size against horrible competition. If we had delivered these results against some of the better teams in the conference I’d be more inclined to agree that his role should change.

I’d like to see the staff have a lengthy film session with him (I’m sure this has probably aIready happened) and show him what is expected. I think a better option is to insert Adel back into his spot but with certain parameters that are vocalized to him. Then keep him on a super short leash and show him the bench when he violates his walking orders.

I understand what you are saying but even taking the competition into consideration, the team plays better and is much less selfish with Adel out. Also, keep in mind that the more the young guys play the better they are going to get which will make us much better at the end of the year. Not saying he cannot return and contribute but Padgett should not tolerate the way he was playing previously. We have better options now.

 

[shadow force]

I agree that Adel, and to a lesser extent, King have to play well to beat the really good teams.

The thread is more about if King and Adel should keep playing extended minutes Together.

 

[nccardfan]

King played better today after he came out and then was reinserted. That said, he is a liability. He doesn't pass the ball. Perry had 7 assists, McMahon and Q had 5, King had 1. He is a below average defender, he avoids contact on both ends of the floor. Maybe today will give him some confidence. I root for the kid, but he just hasn't figured it out.

This team is much better with Perry, Q, and McMahon rotating in the backcourt. It's hard to bench Adel for long periods. To beat these good teams coming up on the schedule sometimes you need someone to get hot. Adel does get hot sometimes. I hate watching him play defense, I hate watching him take ill advised shots, but I do like when he gets hot with his jumper.

I'd let Adel start, and I think Nwora has earned increased minutes ahead of VJ at this point. Nwora is another guy that can stroke it from deep. For that fact, I'm not sure Williams shouldn't get some minutes even with both the other bigs on the floor.

To me, VJ is the odd man out at this point. I'm curious as to what VJ shows in practice. Some guys practice really well/hard, but it just doesn't translate to the game. Trying to get everyone some minutes and find a good rotation is hard for any coach. It may really test a rookie coach with no experience.

I believe Adel should start and bring King off the bench. It’s not just the 1 assist by King. He’s 6-6 and had 1 rebound. Perry had three, sutton 6 in 10 less minutes

 

[MikeMcCammon]

Don't like them on the floor together at this point. You have two guys hunting shots on the floor at the same time. That could mean good things or bad things but I don't think it will make us consistently better in the long run.

 

[earsky]

Q might be the best 2 we have. Couple that with Perry probably our best point, you get what we've seen in this game, which is a faster backcourt. Their ability to push it down the court after misses,promotes the possibilities for easier baskets. I don't have a problem with some different rotations, whether or not the lineup changes when DA comes back.

 

[earsky]

I do think that the group of Adel, King and Q has not gelled like we thought.

 

[Googstercard]

I realize the competition the last two games wasn't spectacular, but the Cards have played good team ball with Adel out.

Earsky brought this up in the game thread: Will or SHOULD Coach Padgett keep Adel and King together in the starting line up, or sub one in for the other and keep Perry starting with Q?

Thoughts?

CDP should start the line up he had today and bring Adel off the bench .

 

[Cue Card]

Q might be the best 2 we have. Couple that with Perry probably our best point, you get what we've seen in this game, which is a faster backcourt. Their ability to push it down the court after misses,promotes the possibilities for easier baskets. I don't have a problem with some different rotations, whether or not the lineup changes when DA comes back.

That combo would hurt us on the defensive side of the ball just because a bigger guard would post up Q. I'm not too worried about Perry because his defense is very good. Q does look more comfortable with Perry on the floor with him.

 

[Vestavia57]

The team is actually playing much better without him. The way he has played this year with all the bad shots, he is toxic and a detriment to the team. Obviously his talent could make us better but not unless he changes his ways. If he comes back and continues to do what he was doing before, I would rather he never see the floor.

I thought he was NBA ready last year, but he made a close call to come back.

 

[RockvilleRed]

Neither Adel or VJ are ready for the next level unless they suddenly become vastly improved with their ball handling, passing and finishing around the rim. More concerning is that their basketball IQ is way below average which directly affect their leadership skills. If they don't embrace their role on the team already, they'll be getting that education overseas. We need the light bulb to turn on for both guys to make a deep run in March if we even get in at this point.

 

[earsky]

As Christopher Walken might say, I need more guard play...

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

How long is Adel supposed to be out? He was in a boot today right? He may not return until the ACC Tournament, if that... for all we know.

 

[nccardfan]

How long is Adel supposed to be out? He was in a boot today right? He may not return until the ACC Tournament, if that... for all we know.

They said before the game that Adel would be ready for next Saturday. CDP didn’t believe he needed him and wanted to give him extra rest.

 

[nccardfan]

CDP should start the line up he had today and bring Adel off the bench .

UNC is a different matter. We need Adel’s experience. He seems quicker to respond after he goes on a me first spree. King just goes back to what he always does, try to score on his man.

 

[shadow force]

UNC is a different matter. We need Adel’s experience. He seems quicker to respond after he goes on a me first spree. King just goes back to what he always does, try to score on his man.

We need "good" Adel to re-emerge. The team is great with good Adel, but "bad" Adel can sink the ship fast. The problem is we never know for sure which one will show up.

 

[nccardfan]

We need "good" Adel to re-emerge. The team is great with good Adel, but "bad" Adel can sink the ship fast. The problem is we never know for sure which one will show up.

That’s why I think good Adel will show up for at least the next game. He had to sit there and watch the team “win” without him. Hopefully he also realized that sharing the ball, rebounding, defending are all critical to success. Also if CDP brings King off the bench as his main sub, that might be enough to keep him under control.

 

[Googstercard]

We need "good" Adel to re-emerge. The team is great with good Adel, but "bad" Adel can sink the ship fast. The problem is we never know for sure which one will show up.

Like a box of chocolates.

 

[Googstercard]

King actually played better with DA out.

He actually had some dish offs.

When DA is in everybody figures they better shoot because he’s not giving it back.

My vote is DA comes off the bench, and goes back on it at the first
“Me ball”.

He gets on my nerves , just waive him LOL.

 

[shadow force]

Interested to see the lineup today and if DP keeps it the same. That is if Deng is ready to go.