was 'Coach-2,' he'd have fired him
http://www.wdrb.com/story/36486463/...en-told-pitino-was-coach-2-hed-have-fired-him
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Jurich says if he'd been told Pitino
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I believe him but unfortunately as others have said, Tom risked his neck for a guy that looks to have been the ultimate con man.
Whether TJ deserves to be let go is a matter of opinion. Mine doesn't count for much or else he'd get a fair shot to be reinstated.
Whether TJ deserves to be let go is a matter of opinion. Mine doesn't count for much or else he'd get a fair shot to be reinstated.
Jurich is a crook and always has been. We as a fan base need to take the shades off once in a while Glad both of them are gone, UofL doesn't need either of them.
Does anyone know why Jurich is on "paid" leave and pitino "unpaid" leave? Seems by that there is still hope for Jurich to stay
Exactly. Enough of this BS. It's real easy for him to say that crap after the fact. I can't believe he even took the time to say it. Does he think anyone is going to believe him after he stood by Pitino during the Karen Sypher scandal, then stood by Pitino again during the Hookers/Sex scandal which took place in Minardi Hall of all places? C'mon man. Enough of this already. Pitino was dirty and he knew it. We all knew it. Most of us just didn't want to believe it and before any of the blue belly lurkers start jizzing all over themselves over it, remember he worked at UofK first and this latest scandal is far from over. Don't blow you blue wad too soon.
That’s not what he said. He said that if he had known that Pitino was Coach 2 he would have dismissed him immediately. He never said - nor apparently was he asked - if he thought that Pitino should have been or, would have been fired - even if he wasn’t Coach 2.
Because you say so?? Ok then.
So why even bring up the coach 2 issue? Makes no sense in context. As a university, we needed to act regardless of knowledge on coach 2, therefore who cares what he would have done with that knowledge. Pitino had to be shown the door immediately.
i believe pitino's contract says he has ten days to respond to any reasons why he was fired. jurcich's contract says he has thirty days to fix whatever problems they have with him. pitino responds, jurich gets to fix. pitiono's is so bad they don't have to pay him. for jurich, he's technically done nothing wrong except be loyal to the wrong person. if pitino is fired, that helps jurich remain because in the thirty days his issue was solved. however postel wants jurich gone in a battle over which is more important on campus, athletics or academics.imho i think there's no way they can fire jurich without paying him a bunch of money. no fireable reason except they don;t want him here
I have no problem with fans that think we need a change but I'm betting 75% of the "get the bum Jurich outta here" folks didn't have much of a problem with him a couple of weeks ago.
Other than him being fooled by the con man Pitino again (yes, he's ultimately responsible for Rick) what did Tom do to so radically change your mind? Because he was a meanie to Bob Valvano?
Congrats the other 25% for your untrammeled foresight.
Other than him being fooled by the con man Pitino again (yes, he's ultimately responsible for Rick) what did Tom do to so radically change your mind? Because he was a meanie to Bob Valvano?
Congrats the other 25% for your untrammeled foresight.
It seems like our fanbase just likes to repeat what the media says. Jurich needs to be retained.Because you say so?? Ok then.
Just think who it benefits for Jurich to go. Not the University. Sure he gave news people a hard time. If you didn’t support UL he had no use for you. In this state that is probably what works. They went after him for the deal he cut at the YUM. And that deal favored UL darn how dare he support UL. That guy has done so much good it’s hard to reflect on everything. And because he’s overly loyal let’s fire him. I think we need a little loyalty. One program out of what 23. I would love to hold people to this standard.
Could not agree more. Unfortunately in this city there are tons of people (UK fanboys) in the media and enough working at UofL that cannot stand to deal with the incredible athletic successes Tom Jurich has achieved in his 20 years here.
Hell, the former sports editor of the Courier Journal, Harry Bryan hated UofL sports so much he resorted to unflattering pictures or bland headlines of Louisville teams whenever they beat his beloved Wildcayuts or when Louisville won a big national game.
If you love Louisville Cardinal athletics and they get rid of Jurich, it might be worth your time to pay attention to the moves that the new people in charge make.
TJ saw what he was up against in this state and city very early in his tenure here and has since kicked ass, much to the dismay of bluebelly obsessed people. "Mr UofL Athletics " might not be warm and fuzzy but that's not what he was hired to be.
Think about this. We are still in an appeals process where we have asked for reductions in forfeits and the title. Don't have to worry about Pitino serving a 5 game suspension but don't you think if we retain Jurich, that the NCAA or the appeals board is going to say here's their chance to right the ship and they are still putting money and wins over everything else.
I did not want Jurich gone before and am not necessarily happy he's gone now, but I strongly question whether or not he would have appropriately handled this situation. I can't remember the specifics but he had a press release during the stripper fiasco that was very tone deaf to the situation. The fact he's bringing up the coach 2 issue here is very related in my mind. Imagine if we kept both on and didn't fire Pitino until the coach 2 news broke. The president and BOD would also be under tons of scrunity more than likely. Do we really need the governor stepping in again? And he did bring in that Chuck Smrt dude which was a complete bust last time. Our concern at this point has to be cleaning up this mess, and I'm not confident Jurich is the guy for that.
Now I am confident Jurich would navigate the coaching replacement just fine, and that is a big concern for us moving forward.
Now I am confident Jurich would navigate the coaching replacement just fine, and that is a big concern for us moving forward.
There is nothing wrong with having a successful athletic program and it bothers me that we are putting people in charge who think so. If the athletic department is more successful than the academic department then they need to replace people on the academic side.
The athletic department is ran independent of the university if it is ran better than the academic side then maybe they should bring Jurich back as President of the university. I also want to know why you consider Jurich a crook, did he raise the price of your season tickets?
The athletic department is ran independent of the university if it is ran better than the academic side then maybe they should bring Jurich back as President of the university. I also want to know why you consider Jurich a crook, did he raise the price of your season tickets?
Look at what happened w the 7th Fleet leadership after the two DDG collisions. The entire chain of command was fired which included all the way up to a VADM, even though they had no idea what happened at the time and they were not on the ships. Everybody goes in these cases. I think it can be applied here. Athletics has a scandal of this magnitude, then all the way to the top of athletics dept needs to be shown the door since the AD is ultimately responsible for what happens w the program.
The 30 days, while contractual, maybe a cooling down period.
Financially, I am not sure they can afford paying both guys off. They both have huge contracts. Pitino is going to fight, I think his argument is weak. Jurich is going to fight, I think he wins. His only issue program wise is basketball.
His biggest mistake was backing Pitino when there was no reason to back him. I understand he didn't have all the information, but he had enough to make this call. You are on probation and an assistant coach doesn't care. That is a cultural issue within the program of the coach you are supporting. It was an easy call, even the big boy boosters that loved Pitino knew it was time.
The other side of this is a large percentage of athletes and coaches love Jurich. At the end of the day there are 23 or so other programs that he is responsible for and he did everything in his power to make the successful with no issues.
It would be wise that both parties come together and work out a deal to keep Jurich. Jurich has to be willing to give up some of his power and work with the new leadership.
Financially, I am not sure they can afford paying both guys off. They both have huge contracts. Pitino is going to fight, I think his argument is weak. Jurich is going to fight, I think he wins. His only issue program wise is basketball.
His biggest mistake was backing Pitino when there was no reason to back him. I understand he didn't have all the information, but he had enough to make this call. You are on probation and an assistant coach doesn't care. That is a cultural issue within the program of the coach you are supporting. It was an easy call, even the big boy boosters that loved Pitino knew it was time.
The other side of this is a large percentage of athletes and coaches love Jurich. At the end of the day there are 23 or so other programs that he is responsible for and he did everything in his power to make the successful with no issues.
It would be wise that both parties come together and work out a deal to keep Jurich. Jurich has to be willing to give up some of his power and work with the new leadership.
It's ultimate responsibility/rewards. Leadership shares triumphs as well as failures. Sorry this happened to Louisville. Always liked the Cards. Rather it happened at two other programs though who shall remain nameless, but share three of the same letters.
Unless I'm mistaken, more of the top brass at U of L than Jurich supported keeping Pitino after the McGee mess. Even the old Jurich didn't have the power to defy the BOT.
Firing Jurich because of Pitino is a cop out for all of those involved...
Firing Jurich because of Pitino is a cop out for all of those involved...
I'm sorry it would be hard for me to fire somebody without being given evidence as too why. Just saying fire him is not going to cut it for me and then look presumably Rick is only guilty maybe of a bad hire or just turning a blind eye which technically is just like pulling the trigger. However that doesn't seem really the case. Lke it or not Tom was kinda pigeon holed dam if you do or don't.
Please list his illegal crimes... we are all waiting...
I am really conflicted regarding TJ. On one hand I really want to have him running things to avoid a mass exodus of coaches throughout the Athletic Department, but on the other I feel it would be best for the university to sever all ties with him and go for a clean fresh start.
A deep breath and a step back from the cliff is all I'm going to do for now. I'm in a holding pattern.
A deep breath and a step back from the cliff is all I'm going to do for now. I'm in a holding pattern.
If you think that retaining Jurich is the difference between keeping those wins - including the title - or not, you’re delusional. Even if it was - I’ll take Jurich as the AD over the 2013 banner every day of the week, and Three times on Sunday - and I was in Atlanta to see it.
I’m sure this ultimate responsibility attitude is the one you took - if old enough to remember - when knight choked a kid for not calling him “Mr.”.
Dude - try reading the story again. If that doesn’t work - have someone smarter read it to you and explain it. Geez.
I'm marveling at the naive perspective of people thinking you drop people like David Padgett into the shoes of HOF-ers like Pitino and Jurich, and there's no dropoff in performance.
Gonna be a reality check around here in the not-too-distant future...
Gonna be a reality check around here in the not-too-distant future...
He was presented evidence the program was involved in paying a player’s family and an assistant coach was involved. What more did he need to fire Pitino? Who cares what he would have done with that coach 2 info. I’m sure you’re frustrated, we all are, so I won’t get into the mud insulting a fellow Cards fan.
I think he was informed as soon as we discovered the facts. Jurich, like us, were all misled.
Jurich thought he controlled his own fiefdom and would be able to go unchallenged. It will be interesting to see if his daughter stays at Addidas and his son at UL.
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Absolutely. I believe he grabbed the kid's arm though. He choked Neil Reed at a practice. No excuse for laying hands on someone.
Assuming he did not know, I really feel bad for TJ and hope he is retained. Loyalty is something quickly deminishing in today's society and one of the finest virtues of any leader. It's impossible for the captain of any ship to know everything that goes on with the crew. However, with a position like that comes great responsibility. Not that many would believe him now, but I hope if things continue to play out like they have, Pitino will speak the truth about TJ's role in this. Just as he requested McGee to clear his name in the stripper ordeal. May not save his job, but could help save his reputation around the organization, which I think we could all agree he loves.
Sure that's why they are even threatening to take it, we chose to retain Pitino instead of taking action against him during strippergate. Who failed to take action? Yeah, TJ. So yes everything we get was worth it.
False - the vacating of the wins was from the infractions - not because pitino wasn’t fired. Hell - the NCAA let him off light in the deal.
For every person in here saying pitino should have been fired after strippergate, 1 in 50 of you might have done it - the other 49 are Monday morning posers.
Sure it was but after the self imposed ban and scholarship reductions, they decided to pile on more. I don't believe the title and vacated wins would be on the table if we had fired CRP. I guess we will never know.
Yeah, I'm the only one thinking this..grasp a few more straws Casper.Because you say so?? Ok then.
The 1% that live in Louisville don't take the fall for crimes. I'm sure you still think Jim Ramsey is clean as a whistle. Whew, this boards homerism is painful sometimes. Glad you all know TJ so personally. What's funny is my best friend from high school lives 2 doors down from Jurich in Lake Forest. I love Louisville, but the man is a ****, and deserves what he got. Sorry you guys can't seem to get his junk out of your mouths. Bummer.
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