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I have been a Card fan all my life. I was at the 1979 Regional in Cincy when we lost to Arkansas. DG had a terrible game and everyone was glad when he fouled out. After 3 years he was still just a great athlete and really did not have a reliable outside (beyond 5 feet) shot. His effort and improvement the next season due to his dedication and hard work to be a player was remarkable, and should never be taken for granted.
I agree there was not a worry about a comparison to UK. We were confident from the mid 1950s we would beat UK when and if we got the opportunity to play them.
To try and answer Cue,I'd say he has changed it a bit.Hard to not want NBA ready guys out of high school that want to become part of a championship run,but I'd also say he tweaked it(
) with the recruitment of Ulis.His point guards have to be steady(as with anyone in college) and he went and got a steadying force with Ulis.I think he'll follow this formula and see how it goes.Ulis will continue to be a great college player,whether he makes it at the next level or not.So,in that regard,yes.I think he wants that revolving door philosophy to continue at the other positions.
Ulis is one of the few players I like watching play on UofK's team. I haven't watched them a great deal, but the moments I've seen him play, he always seems to play smart.To try and answer Cue,I'd say he has changed it a bit.Hard to not want NBA ready guys out of high school that want to become part of a championship run,but I'd also say he tweaked it(
I think he wants that revolving door philosophy to continue at the other positions.
Yes, I think he has tweaked (pun intended) his recruiting philosophy a little. As long as he has his network of help in place (classes, GPA scores, etc.) then he'll continue to go after the occasional 2 or 3 and done players too.
You can look at his class coming in next year. 3 of the 5 could be lottery picks after their 1st year.
I think last year he missed out on guys and took a couple guys he normally does not go after to hard. Hump and Wyn play under the rim. Cal usually gets those rim protecting bigs. I got really beat down by uk fans when i mentioned this opinion on CP. I do not see Hump, Wyn or even Mathews contributing a lot next year. And it depends on who comes in their JR on how much PT they will get in their JR and SN years.
In Cals style of play if you cant get above the rim for a lob or put back then a huge part of our offense is gone. Im not going to lie. When we are at our best is when our bigs play above the rim. Hell our biggest offensive play is a missed shot put back or a pick n roll lob. If the big cant get their , we have no other options.
So next years class is more of what we have seen in the past. Bam Bam is a ridiculous powerful guy at his age. His dunks are crazy. Monk is a high flying guy and fox is a Wall clone. All 3 could be Lottery picks. Cal will only go to Hump and Wynn as a emergency situation.
I think last year he missed out on guys and took a couple guys he normally does not go after to hard. Hump and Wyn play under the rim. Cal usually gets those rim protecting bigs. I got really beat down by uk fans when i mentioned this opinion on CP. I do not see Hump, Wyn or even Mathews contributing a lot next year. And it depends on who comes in their JR on how much PT they will get in their JR and SN years.
In Cals style of play if you cant get above the rim for a lob or put back then a huge part of our offense is gone. Im not going to lie. When we are at our best is when our bigs play above the rim. Hell our biggest offensive play is a missed shot put back or a pick n roll lob. If the big cant get their , we have no other options.
So next years class is more of what we have seen in the past. Bam Bam is a ridiculous powerful guy at his age. His dunks are crazy. Monk is a high flying guy and fox is a Wall clone. All 3 could be Lottery picks. Cal will only go to Hump and Wynn as a emergency situation.
I think the bottom line on recruiting potential OADs is that to a certain extent, they are a crapshoot. Calipari has honestly gotten lucky that most of the guys he has recruited have panned out. Look at the top 15 or so in every year's RSCI rankings and like half of them underachieve. Some guys never even make a notable contribution in college, let alone the NBA, but everyone expects 100% of UK's recruits to be freshman stars, lead them to titles, and be NBA all stars.
Cal makes his bed so he has to lay in it. I don't think winning consistently with freshmen is a long term play. It's too difficult to get it right every year. If Mudiay had committed to UK last season instead of SMU, we wouldn't have Ulis right now and would be downright awful. Too many things have to break right to be able to be a threat to win playing mostly freshmen. But again, that's Cal's chosen philosophy, so it irks me when he whines about having too many young guys every time things go bad. At least man up and own the problems.
And this is really the point I've tried to make with some other posters,that Cal promotes the NBA angle to the fullest.It is the current DNA of the program and the past success with oads fuels an ongoing turnover of players,whether it's one or two seasons.
I think you're absolutely right and wonder whether Cal likes the thought having an excellent leader like Ulis for possibly the full 4 seasons.It is a mix that worked for Pitino with Siva,especially the last 2 seasons.Those 2 guys parallel one another,and their roles to the team.The veteran angle fits well with the other pieces,both excellent college point guards,leading whatever mix presents itself that season.
Thanks for the good discussion ears
I'd love to have Ulis leading UK for 2 more years. I see a potential issue with headcount next year though. 5 incoming, and maybe 6 if they add Bolden. Not sure where the open spots all come from.
Whole lot of spinning going on here. Pitino has accomplished more on a per talent basis than Cal has. Add up the NBA talent and the NC's. Not hard to tell who is likely the better coach from than angle. Hard to really know how good a coach Cal is since he has so much talent. However, think about how Cal would likely fare with all of UL's teams?
Willis is getting playing time now because Skal, Lee, and Alex arent consistent, It took half a season for him to get anything type of time, and will be back on the bench next year, unless the next crop under performs.
It's no change in Cal kids just either are over rated or simply not living up to expectations. Briscoe was 10th ranked player, Skal was #1 on rivals.
Gentlemen,
This thread is kind of déjà vu; don't you think? For the last 6 years we have debated all the ways Cal would fail. It just never stops as to what a horrible Coach Cal is...does it? I really hope he doesn't change a thing. Coach K and Duke are having a "Noel" problem this year since they lost Jefferson. I guess now K is a 2* coach. I guess he just has to have 5* talent to win? LOL. In 2011, UK loses a bunch of games, and gets to a FF, ditto 2014. I believe some fans here were so happy with "10 loss Cal" those years. Just couldn't coach. Would be gone next year! Some fans also praise the L1C4 players that they enjoy watching and "growing with them for 4 years." How many years do graduate transfers play? Just saying! My...my...this year you have KU with Seldon and Ellis losing games. What if UNC gets upset? Are Self and Roy 2* coaches? Let's do this another way. CRP is in his 14th year at UL (1 NC). Cal is in his 7th at UK (1 NC). Let's not judge for another 7 years...shall we? Let's face facts. If UL recruits a 5* (King) he is the Man! L1C4! If UL recruits a 5* and he goes to another school (Teague, Lyles, Blakeney) they are no good. Wow! How bias controls the mind.
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Coach K will not be NIT bound, don't think for a minute that K would ever have to miss the dance if he played an SEC schedule.
He could have his back surgically removed and make the Tourney playing an SEC schedule, lol.If he did, a convenient back injury would take care of that blemish on his record.
Ehhhh, I'm not going to trade barbs with you over conference strength Senore because it's pretty clear to me that the ACC is superior, but also that conference affiliation is pretty meaningless in the big scheme of things. If you have a good team, you win tourney games, period. You take the UK teams since Cal got here swap them out with Duke, UK probably incurs a few more regular season losses and Duke gains a few regular season wins. I doubt either team has any more or any less titles during that time span. Duke still suffered opening round losses twice during that time. Nobody is immune to being upset in the tourney.
No one proves your statement more than Louisville, lol, in that our NC's and results at the highest levels have come during eras of average conferences.....but that certainly does not mean the SEC is some worthy bunch of teams.
I think the SEC/Big 12 meet-up this weekend could well be 9-1 in favor of the Big 12.
You may be correct, but do you really think if UL or UK had 5 loses right now...they would be in the top 25? UL has been in the ACC for less than 2 years. If you want to sing Duke and K's praises that is fine (I personally think he is a great coach, with little to debate), but don't be disappointed by "Tobacco Road" officiating and tournament seeding.
NBA does not really go for undersized guards very often. I think if he stays all 4 years (maybe 3 if stellar) then he has a shot of being drafted. Even if not drafted, I think he could D-League it or go overseas and have a steady career.
If you want to set the over/under for SEC wins at 1.5, I'll take the over and bet however much you can afford.
I couldn't be more satisfied with the SEC going 2-8, lol. Money wouldn't change that.
Nice goal post move for purposes of 'face', lol.
Just havin' fun Senore. Obviously I wouldn't take that bet on your side either, odds of it happening are way too long. Good luck to the Cards today, take those hoos behind the woodshed and wallop them.
I like Ulis and hope he does well at the next level but his size is always going to be a question mark until he proves otherwise. He's proven it so far at every level he's played at. I personally would not bet against that young man. He looks to be a winner to me.
