It was a party?

[Kratz]

RUMOR starting to come out is that it was a party, things got wild as college parties are known to do and there was a whole lot of stuff going on all over the place.

Not saying Jones is guilty or innocent, but if all of this stuff happened in the midst of a wild party it will cloud the situation even further.

The only thing we can all hope for is that the truth somehow comes out of all of this. We've seen players accused and be exonerated (Tubman and Chuck Hayes at UK). We've also seen players/athletes accused and be guilty.

Again, through all the cloudiness, my hope is that the truth comes out.

 

[Cue Card]

Originally posted by Kratz:
RUMOR starting to come out is that it was a party, things got wild as college parties are known to do and there was a whole lot of stuff going on all over the place.

Not saying Jones is guilty or innocent, but if all of this stuff happened in the midst of a wild party it will cloud the situation even further.

The only thing we can all hope for is that the truth somehow comes out of all of this. We've seen players accused and be exonerated (Tubman and Chuck Hayes at UK). We've also seen players/athletes accused and be guilty.

Again, through all the cloudiness, my hope is that the truth comes out.

That's awesome! Now we get to hear about all the different rumors surrounding the arrest of a former player. LOL. I need to go make some popcorn, sit back, and watch the circus. This is going to get saucy.

 

[Kratz]

Might be some truth to the party aspect of it. Jones' attorneys have asked UofL to keep all surveillance footage because it will prove Jones' innocence. The only way UofL would have video is if it was in the dorms.

 

[Cue Card]

Originally posted by Kratz:
Might be some truth to the party aspect of it. Jones' attorneys have asked UofL to keep all surveillance footage because it will prove Jones' innocence. The only way UofL would have video is if it was in the dorms.

It makes sense for sure but this is where it's going to get real murky while leading to wild rampant speculation. What was done by who and when? How do the investigators nail down the time lines to prove innocents or guilt regarding Jones? I don't see how video is going to prove his innocents unless they have video of the rape and sodomy itself. With the way people use video surveillance today, I guess that's a possibility.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Originally posted by Kratz:
RUMOR starting to come out is that it was a party, things got wild as college parties are known to do

The location of the alleged crime is inconsequential.

I'm not calling you out but you're bordering on blaming the alleged crime on the environment.

Sounds like there are witnesses and concrete evidence that will produce the facts. So we'll see.

 

[Section 12 Jerk]

It was a "party" he broke curfew to attend. Being out at that time jeopardized his continued involvement with the basketball team, regardless of what happened next.
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[Kratz]

Originally posted by Ipartiedwithhopgood:

Originally posted by Kratz:
RUMOR starting to come out is that it was a party, things got wild as college parties are known to do

The location of the alleged crime is inconsequential.

I'm not calling you out but you're bordering on blaming the alleged crime on the environment.

Sounds like there are witnesses and concrete evidence that will produce the facts. So we'll see.

I'm not BLAMING the incident on the environment, but one can't deny that environment (and sobriety levels) could be mitigating factors in such cases.

I hope there are witnesses and concrete evidence that puts doubts to rest regardless of which direction the witnesses and evidence points. In a case such as this, we all want the truth to come out. If he did it, he needs to pay the price. If he didn't, he needs to be cleared beyond a doubt.

 

[beakwithteeth]

"It was a party/"


I'm curious...

Having not been to a late night "party" of any significance in over 25 yrs., what goes on beyond drinking and weed around a typical college campus these days? Are ruffies that common? What other substances are main stream in these situations?

 

[OneEarWonder]

It does not matter if it was a party or not. It does not matter if the girls were drunk, high, stoned, scantily-clad, playful, flirty, easy, etc... if consent was not given, then it is rape.

This is way bigger than basketball. This is a horrendous crime for which the victims will have to suffer for a long time, if not forever. The emotional trauma far exceeds the physical trauma.

CJ is on house arrest because there is a preponderance of evidence against him (enough to substantiate the charges), but a clean history gives him some leniency. Cases like this are rarely tried, generally the are plead down, if charges are pressed at all. Sadly, do many sexual assaults go unreported and/or not prosecuted.

It will need to play out in the courts system to determine guilt/innocence. I don't know if he did it or not... but WHY was he even in the situation to be associated with this event??

On a side note, where is he getting the money to live in a hotel and have THREE attorneys?

 

[Cue Card]

Originally posted by OneEarWonder:
It does not matter if it was a party or not. It does not matter if the girls were drunk, high, stoned, scantily-clad, playful, flirty, easy, etc... if consent was not given, then it is rape.

This is way bigger than basketball. This is a horrendous crime for which the victims will have to suffer for a long time, if not forever. The emotional trauma far exceeds the physical trauma.

CJ is on house arrest because there is a preponderance of evidence against him (enough to substantiate the charges), but a clean history gives him some leniency. Cases like this are rarely tried, generally the are plead down, if charges are pressed at all. Sadly, do many sexual assaults go unreported and/or not prosecuted.

It will need to play out in the courts system to determine guilt/innocence. I don't know if he did it or not... but WHY was he even in the situation to be associated with this event??

On a side note, where is he getting the money to live in a hotel and have THREE attorneys?

Good question. I can only guess that he has taken out a loan using his basketball future earnings as collateral? I don't even know if that's possible. I'm guessing it is.

 

[Briggsky]

Preponderance of evidence is not required to make an arrest.

 

[Briggsky]

Preponderance of evidence is not required to make an arrest.

 

[KeepingItReal74]

Probable cause makes the arrest. Evidence within probable cause and nature of crime helps set the bail. If the the evidence is deemed preponderance then you get an indictment.

 

[CardX]

Originally posted by OneEarWonder:
It does not matter if it was a party or not. It does not matter if the girls were drunk, high, stoned, scantily-clad, playful, flirty, easy, etc... if consent was not given, then it is rape.

This is way bigger than basketball. This is a horrendous crime for which the victims will have to suffer for a long time, if not forever. The emotional trauma far exceeds the physical trauma.

CJ is on house arrest because there is a preponderance of evidence against him (enough to substantiate the charges), but a clean history gives him some leniency. Cases like this are rarely tried, generally the are plead down, if charges are pressed at all. Sadly, do many sexual assaults go unreported and/or not prosecuted.

It will need to play out in the courts system to determine guilt/innocence. I don't know if he did it or not... but WHY was he even in the situation to be associated with this event??

On a side note, where is he getting the money to live in a hotel and have THREE attorneys?

Pro bono, anyone? Also, anyone is free to give Chris Jones money, pay for his hotel, etc. now that he is no longer a collegiate athlete. There are a lot of appreciative, supportive, deep pockets in this town.

 

[ColonelCard17]

If the party was off campus, and video shows Jones in the dorm on Campus that could be a huge piece of evidence for his defense. That could be one reason they want the video saved. Not saying he is innocent but they must think something on video shows he did nothing. The problem is if the kid did nothing, will there be as much media coverage saying he didn't do it as there is now. If he did it, he ruined his life as well as changed the women's life forever, if he did not do it, his life is still ruined. Just a terrible situation all the way around guilty or not.

 

[OmegaCard]

Was jigga playing in the background?

 

[Rollem Cards]

Originally posted by CardX:

Originally posted by OneEarWonder:
It does not matter if it was a party or not. It does not matter if the girls were drunk, high, stoned, scantily-clad, playful, flirty, easy, etc... if consent was not given, then it is rape.

This is way bigger than basketball. This is a horrendous crime for which the victims will have to suffer for a long time, if not forever. The emotional trauma far exceeds the physical trauma.

CJ is on house arrest because there is a preponderance of evidence against him (enough to substantiate the charges), but a clean history gives him some leniency. Cases like this are rarely tried, generally the are plead down, if charges are pressed at all. Sadly, do many sexual assaults go unreported and/or not prosecuted.

It will need to play out in the courts system to determine guilt/innocence. I don't know if he did it or not... but WHY was he even in the situation to be associated with this event??

On a side note, where is he getting the money to live in a hotel and have THREE attorneys?

Pro bono, anyone? Also, anyone is free to give Chris Jones money, pay for his hotel, etc. now that he is no longer a collegiate athlete. There are a lot of appreciative, supportive, deep pockets in this town.

OR...somebody is gambling that he can still play pro ball somewhere, and he'll have to sign over 60%+ of his check.

Happens in pro golf all the time. Somebody "backs" a young up and comer. A guy can just make the cut a majority of the time in golf and make a hellava living.

 

[ACCCard]

I was no fan of Chris Jones style of play or some of his antics on the court, but I believe he is going to walk away from this. Ballplayers typically don't need to force girls to have sex with them. Maybe these two other guys took advantage of the situation after CJ had a consensual encounter (or two). I think he will be proven innocent of criminal wrongdoing.

 

[CardChipper]

I agree with ACCCard. It just doesn't make sense for a kid with so much on the line. We are always looking for master criminals, Nazis, and horrible supervillians in our culture that make it easy to hate. There is always more to the story. Bad decisions, immaturity, poor behavior, yes. Caligula? No. Nothing against the girls either, I just don't think this went down the way the prosecution or the media have portrayed it. Just my .02, I have no information other than what I read or see on TV.