If Notre Dame ever becomes a full member I would invite either Houston or Cincy as the 16th team. At this time I would lean towards Houston over Cincy because I am more sold on Tom Herman as a Coach than an older Tommy Tuberville. This is assuming the Big 12 doesn't snag Houston first. Thoughts?
If Notre Dame ever joins ACC Full Time.
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B12 will get UH. ND will never join full time. They make too much $$ being independent in FB and getting some sucker conference ( first the BE, then the ACC) to bend over for them Ni other conference would do that. This idea that ND will join someday in all sports is a pipe dream. UC is where they belong.
I think that if you are adding 1 school, the only choice that makes sense is UConn.
Houston and Cincinnati are both very poorly supported athletic departments. They both generated about $42 million in revenue in 2014-15, which is about $15 million less than the #14 athletic department in the ACC: Wake Forest.
UConn is very well supported by their local and corporate community and would come into the conference as Top 7 in revenue generation ($72 million in 2014-15) even without Power5 playoff or ACC media money.
Houston and Cincinnati are both very poorly supported athletic departments. They both generated about $42 million in revenue in 2014-15, which is about $15 million less than the #14 athletic department in the ACC: Wake Forest.
UConn is very well supported by their local and corporate community and would come into the conference as Top 7 in revenue generation ($72 million in 2014-15) even without Power5 playoff or ACC media money.
UConn would have to commit to an on-campus stadium. Rentschler is an absolute dump, and they have to bus in the students from Storrs.
I don't think you make such a long term commitment based on who the current coach is. West Virginia probably is the best fit, with rivalry to Pitt and VPI, and pretty good history, good facilities and fans. If not them, then UC, but WVU is the most natural fit for the ACC.
Agree WVU to ACC and Houston to B12 is a more natural fit, but I also agree ND will not become full time ACC member.
It is an interesting proposition ...
The slight problem with your scenario is the timelines for ND joining a conference, and the coaching longevity of Herman and Tuberville at their respective schools are on completely different timelines.
Houston to the ACC would open up Texas, and bring what will soon be the third largest city on the US into the ACC footprint. Houston does have a basketball history that would fit with the ACC, and is a good school. Houston also has some money behind it, given the athletic backers that helped pony up raises for Herman and staff. Even without HC Herman, Houston would be attractive.
Cincy is a long time rival of ours, and we know more about them than prolly any other potential candidate. They've recently dumped big money into upgrading Nippert Stadium, and have plans on doing the same for their hoops arena. They have shown an ability to hire good football coaches with Brian Kelly, Mark Dantonio and Butch Jones all using Cincy to grab gigs at football powers Notre Dame, Michigan State and Tennessee. Tuberville may not live up to those standards, and I think there is some restlessness among the Bearcat fanbase with him. Cincy has a history of solid hoops playing too, and their fanbase embraces it much better than does Houston. Cincy is a large market, in a populated state, and I think would fit in well. Personally, I'd prefer Cincy over Houston, UConn, Memphis, any Florida school .... East Carolina would prolly be my second choice, but I'm going off on a tangent here.
But here's what I think is happening.
I think Swofford has positioned the ACC for a grand slam type scenario ... Allowing ND to keep their arrangement the way they have it now -- football independence with 5 games a year against ACC foes and all other sports in the ACC. And letting them keep their NBC football contract. AND adding Texas to the conference, with the same arrangement. Using the Longhorn Network as their ND football channel. Obviously, there would be some "sticky" negotiating on what to do with the rest of that channel -- does the ACC "buy" it from them? To use as the ACC network? Who knows .... But this would appeal to Texas fans, and would trump the A&M move to the SEC in that they basically would be saying "we're big enough to do this, and you aren't" ... It would allow them to truly market what it is they want to market - Texas Football, and give them a good home for their other sports, which are good, but not the main thing that gets them going. And the ACC's academic standing is one they would be fine associating with.
Texas trumps Houston. Texas trumps Cincy. Texas trumps pretty much everyone else.
Then you'd have 16 teams for all other sports, and 2 solid non-conference foes for the league to play on a regular basis. You open up a gigantic market in the entire state of Texas. ANd have a conference with both Texas and Notre Dame in it, which is what all conferences covet. It would be a gigantic middle finger to Delany and the Big Ten-fourteen.
I don't think we see the ACC do anything for a while, and will wait out what happens to the Big XII, who is looking like Kevin Bacon at the end of Animal House, when chaos is reigning during the homecoming parade, screaming "all is well! all is well!!".
I think the Big 12 is in trouble. They need more teams and they don't have a lot of good options. Adding Houston doesn't add any new TV Markets but makes the most sense geographically. There just aren't a lot of good fits for the Big 12 moving forward.
I think BYU regrets snubbing the B12. BYU plus Houston would get them to 11. Of course, they would not have their coveted "round robin" in football, but if they lose 1 more school it's curtains, they would have a scheduling crisis. Memphis State would be a mistake. Yeah, I think it's BYU and UH.
Pete Thamel of SI wrote that he thinks BYU and Cincy would most likely get the invites from the Big 12 if they decide to expand. They are at 10 right now and adding two new teams would get them to 12 and would then give them a Championship game. But if the Big 12 were more proactive many years ago they would have had much more attractive options than BYU and Cincy. Not sure what BYU and Cincy really add to the pie. His article says the Big 12 has a lot of regret over not inviting Louisville at the same time they added West Virginia.
Houston isn't likely to get a Big 12 invite according the Thamel's sources because the Texas schools in the Big 12 don't want to give Houston more access to the better recruits in the state of Texas that they all compete for and Houston doesn't add any new revenue to the table in the form of TV markets.
I think the ACC should add Houston if we decide to expand. One, it adds the Texas market to the ACC. Two, Houston's athletic program has a lot of potential. I know they don't bring in a lot of Revenue but that could easily change if they were invited to the ACC. That's just my opinion.
I think Notre Dame should (not "would") accept a brokered invitation to join the ACC in FB (for the full 8 game ACC Schedule), with the deal being to let NBC show ALL the ND Home games and two ND Away games, and ESPN show four of the ND Away games. Phase in the schedule over a five-year period. Give ND a free get out of jail coupon after 10 years as a full member. After 10 years they can leave for any reason, at no cost, with a one-year notice. For the ten years they are fully in the league, let ND pick one Home game as a neutral game (playing it anywhere they want) and let them designate one ACC away game as a neutral. Guarantee them preferred Bowl access for 10 years...meaning they can leapfrog any ACC member with a one-game better record.
If they warm to the proffered deal, let them pick who they want to be invited to come in at the same time.
If they warm to the proffered deal, let them pick who they want to be invited to come in at the same time.
I disagree with this. Giving one school special privileges or advantages over the others is a one-way ticket to splittsville (see "12, Big"). If they want to join, they are a member equal to all others. If ND doesn't like it they should be out in all sports. We can't run around desperately like the BE to accommodate those guys. Not Texas either. I'm an all-in or all-out kind of guy.
There SHOULD be Eight 16 Teams Conferences:
AAC, ACC, BIG, CUSA, MAC, MWC, PAC, SEC (The Big-12 put out of EVERYONE's Misery...Just like the Big East)...The Sun Belt merged into the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC.
Air Force, Army, BYU, Navy, Notre Dame and Texas ALL NEED to be Independents...SCREW the BS that BYU, Notre Dame and Texas TRYS to FORCE on EVERYONE Else!!!
That's a total of 134 D-1 Teams...Just add Four of the FCS Power Schools...North Dakota State, Northern Iowa etc...to get to 134 Teams.
Use the Bowls as the playoffs...
Cotton Bowl: MAC vs. MWC
Rose Bowl: BIG vs. PAC
Cotton/Rose Bowl Winners play a National Semi Final in the Fiesta Bowl.
Orange Bowl: ACC vs. AAC
Sugar Bowl: SEC vs. CUSA
Orange/Sugar Bowl Winners play a National Semi Final in the Peach Bowl.
The Semi Final Winners play for the National Title at Jerry's World.
The Independents can make the playoffs ONLY if they are ranked higher than the Lowest Ranked Conference Winner...
Example: Say Notre Dame and Texas are ranked higher than the CUSA and MAC Conference Winners...Then Notre Dame and Texas REPLACE those teams in their Respective Playoff Bowl...Otherwise, they are eligible for the other Bowls.
Just the way I'd run things if I were The CZAR of College Football!!!
AAC, ACC, BIG, CUSA, MAC, MWC, PAC, SEC (The Big-12 put out of EVERYONE's Misery...Just like the Big East)...The Sun Belt merged into the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC.
Air Force, Army, BYU, Navy, Notre Dame and Texas ALL NEED to be Independents...SCREW the BS that BYU, Notre Dame and Texas TRYS to FORCE on EVERYONE Else!!!
That's a total of 134 D-1 Teams...Just add Four of the FCS Power Schools...North Dakota State, Northern Iowa etc...to get to 134 Teams.
Use the Bowls as the playoffs...
Cotton Bowl: MAC vs. MWC
Rose Bowl: BIG vs. PAC
Cotton/Rose Bowl Winners play a National Semi Final in the Fiesta Bowl.
Orange Bowl: ACC vs. AAC
Sugar Bowl: SEC vs. CUSA
Orange/Sugar Bowl Winners play a National Semi Final in the Peach Bowl.
The Semi Final Winners play for the National Title at Jerry's World.
The Independents can make the playoffs ONLY if they are ranked higher than the Lowest Ranked Conference Winner...
Example: Say Notre Dame and Texas are ranked higher than the CUSA and MAC Conference Winners...Then Notre Dame and Texas REPLACE those teams in their Respective Playoff Bowl...Otherwise, they are eligible for the other Bowls.
Just the way I'd run things if I were The CZAR of College Football!!!
ND will do what they until nobody bends over for their one sided deals...surprised ACC did...let them try to be independent in all sports and see how it goes
We need to set up the playoffs like the NFL does - on the home fields of the participants. It's too much to ask that people travel to these distant bowl games week after week. I wouldn't elevate CUSA MAC, or any other group of 5 conference they should either have their own division or accept an "at large" berth from among 3 non-champion slots of an 8 team tournament.
You had me to the bolded sentence. Nice ideas.....but they should still have to earn the bowl game without any preferences. No leapfrogging. Fair is fair.....if they are better by record....no problem.
Didn't offer $$ Zipp."Never" is a long time. I'd take that bet if I knew when I'd get paid.
WVU has tried to get into the ACC 6 times since the inception of the conference and at no time was there any interest at all from the other member schools. As in- zero.
Fascinating history (link)
When Notre Dame joins for football, the ACC will stand pat with 15. This is already what they've planned, judging from reading between the lines with their appeal to the NCAA regarding CCG control.
Scheduling works easily with each team getting 2 permanent annual rivals, then rotating the other 12 in the other 6 games over 4 years. You will see every conference team in your stadium at least once every 4 years.
It will take an expanded playoff with auto bids for conference champions before they join though.
Scheduling works easily with each team getting 2 permanent annual rivals, then rotating the other 12 in the other 6 games over 4 years. You will see every conference team in your stadium at least once every 4 years.
It will take an expanded playoff with auto bids for conference champions before they join though.
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