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Judge denies the use of wiretaps of Miller and Wade and their testimony WOW !. U of L better not whatsoever cooperate when they bring that crap. U of L's legal team better use this as their basis with Johnson and Fair.

Pete Brush‏@PeteBrush
Question of whether Arizona men's coach Sean Miller paid his players is "irrelevant" to bribery charges against former hoops consultants Christian Dawkins and Merl Code, NYC federal judge says
 
Judge denies the use of wiretaps of Miller and Wade and their testimony WOW !. U of L better not whatsoever cooperate when they bring that crap. U of L's legal team better use this as their basis with Johnson and Fair.

Pete Brush‏@PeteBrush
Question of whether Arizona men's coach Sean Miller paid his players is "irrelevant" to bribery charges against former hoops consultants Christian Dawkins and Merl Code, NYC federal judge says
It is not irrelevant to the NCAA.
 
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Doesn't matter much. We're known for...

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Judge denies the use of wiretaps of Miller and Wade and their testimony WOW !. U of L better not whatsoever cooperate when they bring that crap. U of L's legal team better use this as their basis with Johnson and Fair.

Pete Brush‏@PeteBrush
Question of whether Arizona men's coach Sean Miller paid his players is "irrelevant" to bribery charges against former hoops consultants Christian Dawkins and Merl Code, NYC federal judge says

Apples and oranges. You can bet the NCAA will use those tapes.
 
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In federal court today a FBI recorded meeting was played where Christian Dawkins stayed, “Sean Miller called me a week and a half ago (and said) ‘I’m taking care of everything myself’” in regards to recruitment of DeAndre Ayton ...

11:34 AM - 24 Apr 2019
 
  1. Dan Wetzel‏Verified account@DanWetzel 15m15 minutes ago
    Dawkins then says Miller told him, “I want to bring you in. I’ll turn everything over to you.” Government witness Marty Blazer testifies that he understood that to mean “he had been taking care of payments for Deandre Ayton. Sean Miller was taking care of everything.” ...

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  2. Dan Wetzel‏Verified account@DanWetzel 11m11 minutes ago
    Dawkins also said “Sean Miller has to know everything that goes on ... I can call Sean and have a conversation like ... this is what’s needing to be done.” Also: “He’ll talk on the phone about stuff he shouldn’t talk on the phone about.” ...

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  3. Dan Wetzel‏Verified account@DanWetzel 10m10 minutes ago
    Blazer testified “I understood him to mean that Sean Miller was talking about inappropriate things in recruiting players, like paying them.” ...

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  4. Dan Wetzel‏Verified account@DanWetzel 8m8 minutes ago
    On tape Dawkins said this of Rick Pitino: “Rick Pitino may be the only person who doesn’t know what’s going on. Like Rick has no clue what’s going on at his school. But most of the bigger guys, they know.” ...
 
If rick truly didn’t know then I’d like to see him vindicated. He has to still be incredibly naive regarding Bowen falling into his lap but still, if he didn’t know he didn’t know. Interesting stuff
 
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If rick truly didn’t know then I’d like to see him vindicated. He has to still be incredibly naive regarding Bowen falling into his lap but still, if he didn’t know he didn’t know. Interesting stuff
That is extraordinarily difficult to believe, but then again, Pitino does have an over inflated ego.
 
I am not sure the following statement is a ringing endorsement for a coach that just had major NCAA issues, "he has no clue what is going on at his school". There is more context to that comment I guess we will get that later in the trial.
 
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I am not sure the following statement is a ringing endorsement for a coach that just had major NCAA issues, "he has no clue what is going on at his school". There is more context to that comment I guess we will get that later in the trial.
That's an OPINION by someone--Dawkins--who can easily be proven doesn't have a clue on that subject.

As to knowing about Bowen and pay-for-play, Dawkins was close to an expert.

IOW two vastly different subjects that Dawkins was commenting on...
 
I am not sure the following statement is a ringing endorsement for a coach that just had major NCAA issues, "he has no clue what is going on at his school". There is more context to that comment I guess we will get that later in the trial.
That's an OPINION by someone--Dawkins--who can easily be proven doesn't have a clue on that subject.

As to knowing about Bowen and pay-for-play, Dawkins was close to an expert.

IOW two vastly different subjects that Dawkins was commenting on...

True but it’s a double edge sword for Pitino. If he knew he’s guilty if he didn’t well that could be lack of institutional control (Not sure if that falls into the definition of lack of institutional control). But having witnessed the NCAA before they seem to make it up as they go. Especially since it was on the heels of the stripper gate deal.

But if he didn’t know that could vindicate the University, with one exception and that’s DA Johnson and his $1500.00 payment if it did take place.
 
That's an OPINION by someone--Dawkins--who can easily be proven doesn't have a clue on that subject.

As to knowing about Bowen and pay-for-play, Dawkins was close to an expert.

IOW two vastly different subjects that Dawkins was commenting on...
It could be his opinion or he could have had conversations with both Johnson and Fair about taking care of Bowen. I find it to be an interesting choice of words " he doesn't know what is going on at his school".
 
True but it’s a double edge sword for Pitino. If he knew he’s guilty if he didn’t well that could be lack of institutional control (Not sure if that falls into the definition of lack of institutional control). But having witnessed the NCAA before they seem to make it up as they go. Especially since it was on the heels of the stripper gate deal.

But if he didn’t know that could vindicate the University, with one exception and that’s DA Johnson and his $1500.00 payment if it did take place.
Bottom line for U of L is they lose either way...

If Pitino is judged as not knowing, it could mitigate some of the NCAA damage despite their should-have-known doctrine. At least as you say, the INSTITUTION had no direct involvement. But that torpedoes U of L's with-cause firing. Should-have-known (U of L's defense) will have little standing in a court of law unless U of L could prove some sort of willful negligence.

If it could ever be proven Pitino knew, his lawsuit is without merit, but the NCAA hammer will be huge. Who knows how to weight that cost?...
 
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It could be his opinion or he could have had conversations with both Johnson and Fair about taking care of Bowen. I find it to be an interesting choice of words " he doesn't know what is going on at his school".
Then it's hearsay... All Dawkins would be testifying to is what someone told him.

Still flimsy evidence at best from a guy (Dawkins) who knows very little about managing athletics. His expertise is funneling illegal money...
 
I feel the NCAA is going to destroy the UofL athletic department (mainly the 2 sports that turn a profit) to restore their own lack of integrity while dealing with other programs. People are either forgetting or they don't care about that list of players who took money and it includes former UofK players along with other 'blue blood' programs, and right now the 1 program directly in the cross hairs (because of stripper gate) is Louisville.

We will be made an example of. Wait, watch and see.
 
I feel the NCAA is going to destroy the UofL athletic department (mainly the 2 sports that turn a profit) to restore their own lack of integrity while dealing with other programs. People are either forgetting or they don't care about that list of players who took money and it includes former UofK players along with other 'blue blood' programs, and right now the 1 program directly in the cross hairs (because of stripper gate) is Louisville.

We will be made an example of. Wait, watch and see.
Pretty much going to be the whipping post guaranteed!
 
Under oath, Marty Blazer said he understood Dawkins to be saying: "Duke, UNC and Kentucky will have people in place to pay whatever's necessary for Zion Williamson. Whatever Zion Williamson's family needed, we would be able to step in and [help with money] if it was close."
 
Concerning the Dawkins wiretap, and the comments in it about Pitino (essentially that he is the only major coach that doesn’t know what is going on at his school), if there’s any truth to it, I’m not so sure that it’s good news for Pitino in his lawsuit against UofL. It may not be such a hard argument to make, and convince a jury, that when the #1 micromanaging coach of all time does not know what’s happening concerning recruiting in his own program (especially after stripper-gate and his previous comments about the shoe companies), the reason is due to a willful lack of the management expected of him.
 
I feel the NCAA is going to destroy the UofL athletic department (mainly the 2 sports that turn a profit) to restore their own lack of integrity while dealing with other programs. People are either forgetting or they don't care about that list of players who took money and it includes former UofK players along with other 'blue blood' programs, and right now the 1 program directly in the cross hairs (because of stripper gate) is Louisville.

We will be made an example of. Wait, watch and see.

Just how is the NCAA going destroy FB since we’ve had zero issues?
 
Just how is the NCAA going destroy FB since we’ve had zero issues?
Good point. I forgot it has already been set back by 5 to 10 years thanks to Petrino's lack of coaching, recruiting, and basically just giving a shit about doing his job. So the NCAA is just going to destroy the basketball program. That makes me feel a ton better. Thanks.
 
Just how is the NCAA going destroy FB since we’ve had zero issues?
Good point. I forgot it has already been set back by 5 to 10 years thanks to Petrino's lack of coaching, recruiting, and basically just giving a shit about doing his job. So the NCAA is just going to destroy the basketball program. That makes me feel a ton better. Thanks.

Set back but not 5-10 years. Maybe 3 maybe. I hope not 5-10
 
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Rick got in this shoe pay game too late . He didn't have the connections like the others mainly due to not having U of L in Nike. I've always felt that was the reason why he could never get the best of the best players . Any one with sense could see something wasn't right how only certain schools always get and have gotten multiple top players.
 
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Rick got in this shoe pay game too late . He didn't have the connections like the others mainly due to not having U of L in Nike. I've always felt that was the reason why he could never get the best of the best players . Any one with sense could see something wasn't right how only certain schools always get and have gotten multiple top players.

Yeah everyone except the corrupt NCAA.
 
Concerning the Dawkins wiretap, and the comments in it about Pitino (essentially that he is the only major coach that doesn’t know what is going on at his school), if there’s any truth to it, I’m not so sure that it’s good news for Pitino in his lawsuit against UofL. It may not be such a hard argument to make, and convince a jury, that when the #1 micromanaging coach of all time does not know what’s happening concerning recruiting in his own program (especially after stripper-gate and his previous comments about the shoe companies), the reason is due to a willful lack of the management expected of him.
The only problem with that line of reasoning is one of the perpetrators involved has basically said there was a deliberate attempt to keep that info away from Pitino. The NCAA may not care, but that argument will be made in court...
 
Why is "Vince" paying Petrino his full buyout?...

The real question is why there wasn’t a mitigation of damages clause in the contract. If Petrino wasn’t someone that would be well sought out to mitigate damages then the size of the buyout was clearly too large. I’m sure you know that though.
 
The real question is why there wasn’t a mitigation of damages clause in the contract. If Petrino wasn’t someone that would be well sought out to mitigate damages then the size of the buyout was clearly too large. I’m sure you know that though.
You're debating old history, and I wish a couple of you guys could climb outta the past.

I'm debating the people and decisions being made today...

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You're debating old history, and I wish a couple of you guys could climb outta the past.

I'm debating the people and decisions being made today...

I don’t see mitigating circumstances that would’ve changed the buyout, so there isn’t really anything to discuss on that matter. Unless you provide some proof of mitigating circumstances or some proof that Petrino was open to a reduced buyout, there is nothing to debate. However I hope that a lesson going forward though is that the buyouts should be written using best practices....which includes mitigating damages clause. It’s important to learn from our past mistakes, both in Petrino and Pitino’s contracts.
 
I don’t see mitigating circumstances that would’ve changed the buyout, so there isn’t really anything to discuss on that matter. Unless you provide some proof of mitigating circumstances or some proof that Petrino was open to a reduced buyout, there is nothing to debate. However I hope that a lesson going forward though is that the buyouts should be written using best practices....which includes mitigating damages clause. It’s important to learn from our past mistakes, both in Petrino and Pitino’s contracts.
Sports Illustrated wrote an article on this very subject with Petrino. You want me to link it along with fans' comments?

Let's stay on topic...
 
The only problem with that line of reasoning is one of the perpetrators involved has basically said there was a deliberate attempt to keep that info away from Pitino. The NCAA may not care, but that argument will be made in court...
I believe Rick when he says he didn't know. I may be naive but at his core he is not a cheater. His problem late was his assistants, none of that has changed in these hearings his assistants are still a problem.
 
I believe Rick when he says he didn't know. I may be naive but at his core he is not a cheater. His problem late was his assistants, none of that has changed in these hearings his assistants are still a problem.
Wake up! He has cheated on his wife, probably multiple times, what makes you think he’s honest in other areas? Guy is a scumbag in all walks of life, I’m betting he either knew or looked the other way. He’s not stupid, players you don’t recruit don’t fall into your lap.
 
Wake up! He has cheated on his wife, probably multiple times, what makes you think he’s honest in other areas? Guy is a scumbag in all walks of life, I’m betting he either knew or looked the other way. He’s not stupid, players you don’t recruit don’t fall into your lap.
You definitely have no evidence "he knew". And you really don't have any evidence that he was purposely naive.

What you do have in increasing amounts is evidence that people around him went to some length to try to conceal information from him. That will be his position in the courtroom, and it's a pretty good one...
 
You definitely have no evidence "he knew". And you really don't have any evidence that he was purposely naive.

What you do have in increasing amounts is evidence that people around him went to some length to try to conceal information from him. That will be his position in the courtroom, and it's a pretty good one...
This is really interesting stuff to me and I am completely flipping my opinion. He had an assistant in the room when a financial transaction was discussed of $11,500. On the surface that is a problem however; Louisville nor it agent was providing the money. Adidas would provide the money to the AAU program. This is really no different than Nike paying Bagleys dad a boat load of money to run an AAU program. Nike decided where Bagley was going basically the same deal. Adidas would push the player to Louisville. It isn't a violation for Nike, Adidas, Under Armour or whoever to pay an AAU program money. It also isn't a violation for the shoe companies to push players to certain schools. It is a violation for the shoe, AAU or boosters to pay a player. For it to be a violation the school would have to direct the shoe and AAU to pay the player or their family. With Louisville that doesn't appear to be the case or there is nothing on tape where Fair says that money needs to go to the kid.

Key point, the player wasn't the one being paid. The payment was to go to the AAU program.....where is the NCAA violation? Fair heard a conversation that wasn't a NCAA violation. Now the NCAA could say he knew the money would end up in the players hand, but since it never did how can you hold the Univeristy accountable. Fair at the very least he knew it was a slippery slope.

Think about it the system was built to avoid the schools, not the players, from NCAA violations. The shoe companies didn't really care if the player was ruled ineligible, but they had to protect their brand schools. The problem was people started getting greedy, too much money and it was easy to obtain.

The coaches knew the system and knew players were getting paid, but they also knew as long as the coaches and assistant coaches didn't direct people where the money went the school was safe. Nike and Adidas get me players just keep me and my assistants out of the details.

At this point the only schools in trouble are the one's where actual payments to players/families are proven that participated or where assistants or coaches were caught handling or directing payments.
 
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You definitely have no evidence "he knew". And you really don't have any evidence that he was purposely naive.

What you do have in increasing amounts is evidence that people around him went to some length to try to conceal information from him. That will be his position in the courtroom, and it's a pretty good one...
This is really interesting stuff to me and I am completely flipping my opinion. He had an assistant in the room when a financial transaction was discussed of $11,500. On the surface that is a problem however; Louisville nor it agent was providing the money. Adidas would provide the money to the AAU program. This is really no different than Nike paying Bagleys dad a boat load of money to run an AAU program. Nike decided where Bagley was going basically the same deal. Adidas would push the player to Louisville. It isn't a violation for Nike, Adidas, Under Armour or whoever to pay an AAU program money. It also isn't a violation for the shoe companies to push players to certain schools. It is a violation for the shoe, AAU or boosters to pay a player. For it to be a violation the school would have to direct the shoe and AAU to pay the player or their family. With Louisville that doesn't appear to be the case or there is nothing on tape where Fair says that money needs to go to the kid.

Key point, the player wasn't the one being paid. The payment was to go to the AAU program.....where is the NCAA violation? Fair heard a conversation that wasn't a NCAA violation. Now the NCAA could say he knew the money would end up in the players hand, but since it never did how can you hold the Univeristy accountable. Fair at the very least he knew it was a slippery slope.

Think about it the system was built to avoid the schools, not the players, from NCAA violations. The shoe companies didn't really care if the player was ruled ineligible, but they had to protect their brand schools. The problem was people started getting greedy, too much money and it was easy to obtain.

The coaches knew the system and knew players were getting paid, but they also knew as long as the coaches and assistant coaches didn't direct people where the money went the school was safe. Nike and Adidas get me players just keep me and my assistants out of the details.

At this point the only schools in trouble are the one's where actual payments to players/families are proven that participated or where assistants or coaches were caught handling or directing payments.

I think two things get us.

1) The testimony said the player was being paid on behalf of Jordon Fair. Since Fair is a representative of UofL that pretty much means for the University.

2) Johnson supposedly paid Bowen’s father $1700.00 of his own money. If that’s true that’s pretty damning.

As far as Rick and the trial, well that could go either way. I still believe he needed to go, but the process of his firing was botched horrible. May cost us a lot. We will see.
 
If you can’t be loyal to your family, you can’t be loyal to anything, bro.

I love rick, wish him all the success but if he didn’t know what was going on, it was because he chose not to know. He created the culture where McGee and Fair thought they were good to do what they did.
 
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