Guess Rick Bozich knows more than Tom Jurich

[Louisvillian]

Interesting that on WDRB news site they have one article quoting Tom Jurich as saying that Rick had absolutely no knowledge of this thing that went down and is not going to step down.

Then they have a 2nd piece where Bozich says that It is highly unlikely that Rick had no knowledge of what went on. Sounds like Bozich is saying that Tom Jurich and Rick Pitino are both probable liars. Not to mention he says that no way Pitino does or should survive this.

Pity on this hack if he does.

 

[REDFISTFURY3]

Bozich(IU) man no longer exsist in my opinion now. Eric(UK) self confessed fan is heading that way also .

 

[rouke1]

Here's the thing - the NCAA set a very ugly precedent when they gigged Memphis and Calipari with that "he didn't know, but he should have..." standard. If they want to maintain whatever tiny shred of credibility they think they have left, the NCAA has to show consistency with this (and to an even greater degree with UNC).

 

[joram]

Nothing about this will end well.

 

[Louisvillian]

Here's the thing - the NCAA set a very ugly precedent when they gigged Memphis and Calipari with that "he didn't know, but he should have..." standard. If they want to maintain whatever tiny shred of credibility they think they have left, the NCAA has to show consistency with this (and to an even greater degree with UNC).

That may be true but my point was about a local schmuck who happens to be a poor sportswriter basically calling Rick Pitino and Tom Jurich both liars even though most people including John Calipari and Jay Bilas believe Rick had no knowledge of any of this.

 

[oruacat2]

That may be true but my point was about a local schmuck who happens to be a poor sportswriter basically calling Rick Pitino and Tom Jurich both liars even though most people including John Calipari and Jay Bilas believe Rick had no knowledge of any of this.

I know what you're saying - but I think rouke1 is right, too - what Calipari and Bilas (and Bosich) believe means nothing right now. This will come down to whether or not the NCAA follows a stupid standard that it set. If it doesn't, then the UK fans who think the NCAA has it out for Calipari (and full disclosure, I'm one of them) will be proven right. This UL situation will be a test case - but the UNC scandal, which BTW nobody seems to want to discuss - will be THE test case.

 

[beasleythecard]

Rick Bozo is a racist bigot with a hard on for Louisville. His writing was piss poor at the courier and its even trashier now.

Louisville is always a target of his hit em low pieces.

 

[second region insider]

I thought the rick b hated on uk? Most uk fans hate him

 

[Louisvillian]

I thought the rick b hated on uk? Most uk fans hate him

I think most fans understand when columnists give it to the local teams when they deserve it but this bag Bozich really is going overboard in his ripping of coach Pitino and insinuating more than once that Rick new about what was going on no matter how silly that sounds.

But yes I'm with you on this one and hopefully this jerk gets a one way ticket back to Hoosier land soon.

 

[SmokinGun9]

That may be true but my point was about a local schmuck who happens to be a poor sportswriter basically calling Rick Pitino and Tom Jurich both liars even though most people including John Calipari and Jay Bilas believe Rick had no knowledge of any of this.

I don't know what kind of axe he has to grind with Louisville but Bozich is pretty consistent in his criticsms of both Kentucky and Louisville. In the end, its just one man's opinion anyways.

 

[johnnyrockets]

FWIW, UK fans think Bozich is just as terrible (and biased) as UofL fans do.

I think sportswriting is kind of like refereeing. If, at the end of the game, both teams think you sucked, you were probably pretty fair.

Not to jump into the "Louisville media bias," but the beat writer for UK bball at the H-L has been actively trying to cause trouble for the program for the better part of three decades. Just not something you guys have had to deal with for the most part.

 

[Louisvillian]

FWIW, UK fans think Bozich is just as terrible (and biased) as UofL fans do.

I think sportswriting is kind of like refereeing. If, at the end of the game, both teams think you sucked, you were probably pretty fair.

That's the thing, I've never thought he was biased or unfair. I just don't understand the little hard-on he has lately for Rick.

 

[REDFISTFURY3]

That's the thing, I've never thought he was biased or unfair. I just don't understand the little hard-on he has lately for Rick.

Probaly mad cause Rick chose Eric to write a book with him.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

That's the thing, I've never thought he was biased or unfair.

I haven't either. I've just always found him to be terrible because that's what he is. This doesn't make him unique. That line of work isn't producing any must read kind of stuff.

But you are spot on for calling him out.

 

[Beach Bird]

Here's the thing - the NCAA set a very ugly precedent when they gigged Memphis and Calipari with that "he didn't know, but he should have..." standard. If they want to maintain whatever tiny shred of credibility they think they have left, the NCAA has to show consistency with this (and to an even greater degree with UNC).

Plenty of coaches at all levels of NCAA basketball have been punished, suspended or retired under the rule where head coaches are ultimately responsible for the actions of others under their control.

Schools can't afford to take financial hits in their marketing of products, loss ticket sales and losing big time donors. UofL has to figure how much of a hit this is gona be, especially if the product is not any good. Sadly, In the end its all about money.

Then there is the perception of the University and can a President with stand the pressure of losing great staff, endowments, top students, etc..... over this embarrassment.

Right or wrong it wasn't just Coach P and the basketball program that took a hit today but it was the University from the President and all the hard working staff on down that got hit. Sad day.

 

[cardfaninmemphis]

Here's the thing - the NCAA set a very ugly precedent when they gigged Memphis and Calipari with that "he didn't know, but he should have..." standard. If they want to maintain whatever tiny shred of credibility they think they have left, the NCAA has to show consistency with this (and to an even greater degree with UNC).

Not an accurate description at all. Calipari got away scott free on that. the school was held accountable for allowing a player deemed academically ineligible because the player did not reply to questions from ETS regarding his test scores. Not the same thing here. ETS, not the NCAA, passed judgement there. The NCAA was pretty muuch forced to act because of the ETS decision.

regardless, accountability for this essentially falls to the head coach, whether he knew or not. Kinda like the Volkswagon scandal; the CEO resigned even though he knew nothing about the software doing what it did. He is responsible for the culture and atmosphere of the comany. Pitino has the same responsibility for the program, and he will have to be held accountable somehow. Exactly how, remains to be seen based on the real story.

 

[83Cat]

Plenty of coaches at all levels of NCAA basketball have been punished, suspended or retired under the rule where head coaches are ultimately responsible for the actions of others under their control.

Schools can't afford to take financial hits in their marketing of products, loss ticket sales and losing big time donors. UofL has to figure how much of a hit this is gona be, especially if the product is not any good. Sadly, In the end its all about money.

Then there is the perception of the University and can a President with stand the pressure of losing great staff, endowments, top students, etc..... over this embarrassment.

Right or wrong it wasn't just Coach P and the basketball program that took a hit today but it was the University from the President and all the hard working staff on down that got hit. Sad day.

I honestly can't envision the university firing Pitino. He would likely step down with some class (take a bullet for the team) before that happened and allow the team to start fresh with a new face so that recruiting does not fall too far behind.

 

[zipp]

For those who can't read or wanna change the subject, the OP's point has nothing to do with the NCAA.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[thecycle21]

All these people that think Pitino knew, including Bozich, have their own agenda or bias. Bozich is taking Pitino's controlling nature and applying to him knowing everything that kids do 24/7. He is also taking the position that Powell claims are 100 percent true which is still up in the air. He is choosing to ignore the fact that Pitino is just as controlling about being compliant. In this case a reporter should look at which one is more plausible and a good reporter would understand, with Pitino's history, compliance is job number 1.

The article should have been can Louisville more forward under Pitino's leadership? That is a valid debate.

 

[BigBlue Nick]

Interesting that on WDRB news site they have one article quoting Tom Jurich as saying that Rick had absolutely no knowledge of this thing that went down and is not going to step down.

Then they have a 2nd piece where Bozich says that It is highly unlikely that Rick had no knowledge of what went on. Sounds like Bozich is saying that Tom Jurich and Rick Pitino are both probable liars. Not to mention he says that no way Pitino does or should survive this.

Pity on this hack if he does.

Interesting that on WDRB news site they have one article quoting Tom Jurich as saying that Rick had absolutely no knowledge of this thing that went down and is not going to step down.

Then they have a 2nd piece where Bozich says that It is highly unlikely that Rick had no knowledge of what went on. Sounds like Bozich is saying that Tom Jurich and Rick Pitino are both probable liars. Not to mention he says that no way Pitino does or should survive this.

Pity on this hack if he does.

I guess

 

[PHCARD]

I didn't realize until today how much more news and stories I could capture from WLKY on line. I'd been missing out all this time that I wasted on WDRB. Deleted from favs.

 

[REDFISTFURY3]

I didn't realize until today how much more news and stories I could capture from WLKY on line. I'd been missing out all this time that I wasted on WDRB. Deleted from favs.

Yell very disappointing that WDRB and there sports writers are really being very one-sided on this situation.

 

[johnnyrockets]

That's the thing, I've never thought he was biased or unfair. I just don't understand the little hard-on he has lately for Rick.

This is an honest question, not a flame at all, but are you really unclear as to why this is being written about and given a lot of attention? Or do you mean that you think Bozich is being unduly hard on Pitino (and if that's the case, would you not expect writers to be similarly hard on other coaches if in an analagous situation)?

 

[beasleythecard]

Just like I never will pick up a courier journal, I will never watch fox ever again.

Louisville should pull his credential and never allow him to cover any sports team or have access to anything involving louisville atheletics.

Piss poor hit em low journalism.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Just like I never will pick up a courier journal, I will never watch fox ever again.

Louisville should pull his credential and never allow him to cover any sports team or have access to anything involving louisville atheletics.

Piss poor hit em low journalism.

Agree.

 

[Louisvillian]

This is an honest question, not a flame at all, but are you really unclear as to why this is being written about and given a lot of attention? Or do you mean that you think Bozich is being unduly hard on Pitino (and if that's the case, would you not expect writers to be similarly hard on other coaches if in an analagous situation)?

Surely you can tell by my post that I am referring to the fact that while a vast majority of prominent sports figures including Jay Bills and John Calipari among them have all said they believe Rick had no knowledge of the alleged events but yet Rick Bozich has assumed a position opposite to that and writes about that at every opportunity.

I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to his view, obviously he does. It is bothersome to me that it seems more like a personal axe to grind with Rick. And to me that crap belongs in a tabloid ( which would be a good place for Bozich).

It is only common sense to assume that a man that has always been overboard in making NCAA compliance a priority and someone who just got thru a personal sex scandal would not jeopardize a Hall of Fame career and a top job to contribute to or ignore a bunch of 10 cent whores romping about with recruits and players in the athletic dorm named after his beloved friend and deceased brother in law.

Should he have known? That's a different conversation but that's not what Bozich is talking about. Hell, 90% of UK fans I know are of the opinion that Rick had no idea of the alleged events in question.

Maybe Bozich's stand is his honest opinion or maybe it's his deep seated need to stand out from the crowd which is something his boring writing has never done for him.

 

[cardfaninmemphis]

This is an honest question, not a flame at all, but are you really unclear as to why this is being written about and given a lot of attention? Or do you mean that you think Bozich is being unduly hard on Pitino (and if that's the case, would you not expect writers to be similarly hard on other coaches if in an analagous situation)?

I am totally clear about why this is being written about: sex sells newspapers and brings eyes to websites, which attracts more advertising.

Everybody is piling in on it, and trying to come up with something the others aren't writing to get more people to follow them. It doesn't have to be valid or withstand scrutiny; it just has to draw attention. Hell, the backlash to the SI article is still attention for SI and logged as visits to their website, which can be used to attract advertising.

Here is a thread discussing Bozich's column. He didn't have to pay for it, and he is getting what he wants: people reading his column.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to his view, obviously he does. It is bothersome to me that it seems more like a personal axe to grind with Rick. And to me that crap belongs in a tabloid ( which would be a good place for Bozich).
.

Your point was obviously clear from the beginning. And your opinion is spot on.

I heard the hack has a column today discussing who the next coach will be, despite Jurich stating Pitino has full support and Pitino is stating he isn't taking the cowardly way out. Given those nuggets any article written discussing potential replacements is obviously being written by somebody not keeping up with statements from key people - or choosing to ignore those statements. It is obvious it's the latter, he's ignoring statements by Jurich and Pitino to shove his agenda down readers throats. Dr. Ram has also spoken out today on Rick's behalf, so to sum it up Bozich is a moron that is pushing his own personal agenda and wasting time writing about replacements when there isn't going to be one at this time.

Not sure why you were requested clarification for your posts or threads though. Some people just can't keep up I guess, they mean no harm.

 

[Cue Card]

Surely you can tell by my post that I am referring to the fact that while a vast majority of prominent sports figures including Jay Bills and John Calipari among them have all said they believe Rick had no knowledge of the alleged events but yet Rick Bozich has assumed a position opposite to that and writes about that at every opportunity.

I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to his view, obviously he does. It is bothersome to me that it seems more like a personal axe to grind with Rick. And to me that crap belongs in a tabloid ( which would be a good place for Bozich).

It is only common sense to assume that a man that has always been overboard in making NCAA compliance a priority and someone who just got thru a personal sex scandal would not jeopardize a Hall of Fame career and a top job to contribute to or ignore a bunch of 10 cent whores romping about with recruits and players in the athletic dorm named after his beloved friend and deceased brother in law.

Should he have known? That's a different conversation but that's not what Bozich is talking about. Hell, 90% of UK fans I know are of the opinion that Rick had no idea of the alleged events in question.

Maybe Bozich's stand is his honest opinion or maybe it's his deep seated need to stand out from the crowd which is something his boring writing has never done for him.

That very well may be the best post I've read on the Bozo article to date. Outstanding!!!

 

[zipp]

I am 100% sure that Pitino didn't know, and I'm 99% sure that he shouldn't have known. Doesn't matter what anyone writes who counts page views for his paycheck...

 

[zipp]

Just so I'm not accused of pumping sunshine up Pitino's a$$, I'm 98% sure that Andre McGee was a bad hire. And the big guy made that hire...

 

[second region insider]

I just hope for the best but this does not look good for the birds.

 

[KerryRhodes]

Just like I never will pick up a courier journal, I will never watch fox ever again.

Louisville should pull his credential and never allow him to cover any sports team or have access to anything involving louisville atheletics.

Piss poor hit em low journalism.

I stopped buying the cj almost five yrs ago.
Only watch local news to see the newscasters cry from SuCkS, latest underachieving
ouster from the NCAA tourney.

That would be so bada## if bozo and Sullivans credentials were pulled.

 

[PHCARD]

Oh yeah, I kicked the CJ out the door over a month ago. The front page story on Sat, football game Sat and they did a story on CBP son being gay finally kicked me in gear. For years I've yelled about the CJ liberal views, their putting UK sports over UL stories. Doing a fricking UK basketball story on front page of sports when UL is in play offs of NCAA of baseball?

Just about all media, paparazzi and press people have reached down to the lowest form of humanity, nationally and locally. Even the local so called UL media have become lowlifes. I'm listening to two right now on radio and I just hit the off button. Never again will I listen.

I hope in the end RP is still our coach and you "dogs" are without a job. That's payback. Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[johnnyrockets]

Surely you can tell by my post that I am referring to the fact that while a vast majority of prominent sports figures including Jay Bills and John Calipari among them have all said they believe Rick had no knowledge of the alleged events but yet Rick Bozich has assumed a position opposite to that and writes about that at every opportunity.

I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to his view, obviously he does. It is bothersome to me that it seems more like a personal axe to grind with Rick. And to me that crap belongs in a tabloid ( which would be a good place for Bozich).

It is only common sense to assume that a man that has always been overboard in making NCAA compliance a priority and someone who just got thru a personal sex scandal would not jeopardize a Hall of Fame career and a top job to contribute to or ignore a bunch of 10 cent whores romping about with recruits and players in the athletic dorm named after his beloved friend and deceased brother in law.

Should he have known? That's a different conversation but that's not what Bozich is talking about. Hell, 90% of UK fans I know are of the opinion that Rick had no idea of the alleged events in question.

Maybe Bozich's stand is his honest opinion or maybe it's his deep seated need to stand out from the crowd which is something his boring writing has never done for him.

10-4. Misunderstood the point you were trying to make. Mea culpa.

Agree that lots of writers look for the "uncommon" angle or whatever else in an effort to stand out. Crawford, interestingly, is doing the same thing, but from a pro-Louisville POV. He's not even convinced yet that any of this is legit (and I think that puts him in the distinct minority).

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Crawford stated on ESPN UofL fans were in denial - he is not coming across from a pro-Louisville POV.

 

[Shawn (uk7spd)]

I am 100% sure that Pitino didn't know, and I'm 99% sure that he shouldn't have known. Doesn't matter what anyone writes who counts page views for his paycheck...

You may feel 100% certain in your opinion, but that means very little because you have no clue what Pitino actually knows. And to say that you are 99% sure he shouldn't have known is even more of a stretch, and I know you realize that. Honest question, if this identical situation was happening to UK and Cal, would you feel 99% certain that Cal shouldn't have known?

 

[PHCARD]

Zipp, I believe all of us in a position to have done the hiring, have made some bad calls. In today's world it's not hard to do.

 

[Beach Bird]

Just so I'm not accused of pumping sunshine up Pitino's a$$, I'm 98% sure that Andre McGee was a bad hire. And the big guy made that hire...

Yes, we can have a personal opinion of what we feel on whether he knew or not but until the actual facts are known none of us know what he was aware of. I just hope that she is not holding any thing back to enhance her allegations in the future.

This is a tough spot for the people involved to be in considering what has been revealed. I feel for all involved. Nothing in this world ever stays the same (it would be boring if it did) and unfortunately, good or bad, change is headed this way.

 

[johnnyrockets]

Crawford stated on ESPN UofL fans were in denial - he is not coming across from a pro-Louisville POV.

I didn't hear those comments--was referring to the article he wrote comparing this to the Duke lacrosse scandal and suggesting we withhold any judgment until more information is available. I think there are some obvious parallels with the Duke lacrosse case, but the two situations have more differences than similarities.