Emmert.

[David Gilmour]

Now on CBS explaining the current situation makes it abundantly clear that we screwed up by being proactive and honest about our transgressions. He's basically saying that the NCAA is not an investigatory entity and it is put upon the Universities themselves to be that body. In this present case it is the FBI supplying the goods. But the bottom line, you screw up, which we acknowledge we did, and are honest and even proactive yourself, you have basically given NCAA all the goods and they could care less about your honesty. Thanks for the info BUT........ We all knew this, but by his explanation it verifies the situation.As I type, a question is posed to him about Miller and Arizona and AGAIN he states it's up to the school to investigate, police and possibly offer a proactive solution. LOL.Zip it is the word with these clowns. I'm a proponent of being an honest person and admitting my sins and thought AT THE TIME it was good judgement on our part to be proactive. But with how this stuff is layed out, I'm not so sure. OHHHHHHHH NOW our situation is brought up and get this. It was US, not them or anybody else who make the judgements as to whether we lose all that we lost. So basically WE, The University of Louisville made the judgement to vacate the NC, Final 4 etc. You believe that BS?

 

[ShortCreek]

No. We appealed, NCAA rejected...

 

[ShortCreek]

While I agree with the vast majority of your points, ultimately the NCAA screwed us for being forthright and diligent!

 

[David Gilmour]

While I agree with the vast majority of your points, ultimately the NCAA screwed us for being forthright and diligent!

Yeah, that was my main point. But it's almost as if the NCAA has no desire to be an "investigative" entity, just a legislative and judicial one. So it all depends on what your (the school) supplies to the NCAA. And it seems like the more dirt you give, the more honest you are and the more proactive as a school you are, the MORE penalized you are, not LESS.That's screwed up IMO. I believe in honesty and I really think TJ and co. did as well, but that doesn't necessarily mean other Universities who are supposed to play on a level playing field with us view honesty as a "must". Emmert just basically gave the blueprint as to why that approach is not necessarily the best option for any school.

 

[PRPclass76]

Yeah, that was my main point. But it's almost as if the NCAA has no desire to be an "investigative" entity, just a legislative and judicial one. So it all depends on what your (the school) supplies to the NCAA. And it seems like the more dirt you give, the more honest you are and the more proactive as a school you are, the MORE penalized you are, not LESS.That's screwed up IMO. I believe in honesty and I really think TJ and co. did as well, but that doesn't necessarily mean other Universities who are supposed to play on a level playing field with us view honesty as a "must". Emmert just basically gave the blueprint as to why that approach is not necessarily the best option for any school.

Emmert IS Joe Paterno! F him

 

[shadow force]

And some wonder why some of us are cynical about all of this crap. They have never given UofL fans a reason NOT to be.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

Vacating the Final Fours and championship had nothing to do with the FBI investigation. And the sole reason we did roll over in that situation is because we were already under the gun and at the mercy of the NCAA for the hookers. Other schools might have an option to play dumb and not cooperate but our situation was not the same thanks to McGee and whoever was supposed to be watching him.

 

[zipp]

U of L's mistake was not in being cooperative. It was admitting wrongdoing and self imposing under the belief that would get things over with more quickly and that the NCAA would be more lenient. Those were bad assumptions.

Nothing wrong with bringing in Chuck Smrt as an independent investigator. Our mistake--really Ramsey's--was letting Smrt run the show. That dick shouldn't be in charge of anything...

 

[David Gilmour]

Vacating the Final Fours and championship had nothing to do with the FBI investigation. And the sole reason we did roll over in that situation is because we were already under the gun and at the mercy of the NCAA for the hookers. Other schools might have an option to play dumb and not cooperate but our situation was not the same thanks to McGee and whoever was supposed to be watching him.

I know that. I didn't mean to imply that the FBI deal was the reason for our title being stripped. The primary first part of Emmerts talking points today were about the "process" from wrongdoing, up to and including setting penalties. He was essentially pointing out what measures the NCAA was going to take as this FBI deal unfolds. Then as another panelist brings up our penalties, which were related to strippergate, he reinforced his case as far as how the process is supposed to work. Only thing is, he seemed to be laying it all on the University as far as what penalties were to be levied. I thought that was a pussy way of getting out of it. The premise of the question about it, was that the penalties have been deemed by many Draconian in nature (which IMO they are), soooo he puts blame elsewhere on the penalties. I couldn't believe it.

 

[Big_Tasty_Muffin]

Now on CBS explaining the current situation makes it abundantly clear that we screwed up by being proactive and honest about our transgressions. He's basically saying that the NCAA is not an investigatory entity and it is put upon the Universities themselves to be that body. In this present case it is the FBI supplying the goods. But the bottom line, you screw up, which we acknowledge we did, and are honest and even proactive yourself, you have basically given NCAA all the goods and they could care less about your honesty. Thanks for the info BUT........ We all knew this, but by his explanation it verifies the situation.As I type, a question is posed to him about Miller and Arizona and AGAIN he states it's up to the school to investigate, police and possibly offer a proactive solution. LOL.Zip it is the word with these clowns. I'm a proponent of being an honest person and admitting my sins and thought AT THE TIME it was good judgement on our part to be proactive. But with how this stuff is layed out, I'm not so sure. OHHHHHHHH NOW our situation is brought up and get this. It was US, not them or anybody else who make the judgements as to whether we lose all that we lost. So basically WE, The University of Louisville made the judgement to vacate the NC, Final 4 etc. You believe that BS?

So since we where proactive with the bowen situation by cleaning house we shouldn't get in trouble?

 

[billoliver40]

So since we where proactive with the bowen situation by cleaning house we shouldn't get in trouble?

UofL was proactive with Bowen and every University employee involved. Bowen never played a moment. Just imo, in this particular instance there is nothing farther for the NCAA to punish Louisville for.

 

[David Gilmour]

So since we where proactive with the bowen situation by cleaning house we shouldn't get in trouble?

Didn't really say that BUT, when you bend over backwards as we did in the strippergate fiasco and then in the process get BENT OVER ourselves, you have to question why are we even "self imposing" ANYTHING. The NCAA seems to be packing their own penalties on top of what we have already levied against ourselves. It's as if THEY are the ones who have to set the narrative/penalties, NOT US. Why do you think we self imposed? Probably to show the NCAA we have taken appropriate actions and wish no more penalties from them. IMO, we paid the price for the FBI findings sufficiently. So NO, my thinking seems to run right along with what this administration thinks. Only thing is, WE don't set the narrative here. The NCAA does. IMO, with how we "cleaned house" that "should" be sufficient in their eyes, but it won't be. If you think that what we did to ourselves as far as penalties doesn't quantify as a form of "getting in trouble" I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Thecycle27]

The lesson here is work with the NCAA on gathering information but don't admit to anything. Especially if one of the staff members isn't going to cooperate with the investigation. Once you admit to violations and self impose you are at the mercy of the NCAA or a peer group that has bias against your university in the first place. Notre Dame did the same thing they admitted a violation occurred before seeing what the NCAA had to say about it.

The Bowen situation gets even more complicated because of the lawsuit with Pitino.

 

[REDFISTFURY3]

The lesson here is work with the NCAA on gathering information but don't admit to anything. Especially if one of the staff members isn't going to cooperate with the investigation. Once you admit to violations and self impose you are at the mercy of the NCAA or a peer group that has bias against your university in the first place. Notre Dame did the same thing they admitted a violation occurred before seeing what the NCAA had to say about it.

The Bowen situation gets even more complicated because of the lawsuit with Pitino.

Yea his exact words they can'tcompel anyone to cooperate. Thats why nothing is going to come of this with these other programs if they are smart all you do is not cooperate and deny. We completely screwed ourselves doing the so called right thing and confessing to shit. Should've made them prove it Smrt should have been sued for ineffective counsel.

 

[KozmasAgain]

Why is Emmert still around he let sexual abuse go on at Michigan State.

 

[zipp]

Yea his exact words they can't compel anyone to cooperate. Thats why nothing is going to come of this...

"They" is the NCAA and not the FBI. A witness better not deny any facts under oath, or he'll be in a lot bigger legal trouble.

An old frame of reference like "the NCAA won't bite the hands that feed it" aren't applicable. The stakes in this situation are enormous...

 

[REDFISTFURY3]

"They" is the NCAA and not the FBI. A witness better not deny any facts under oath, or he'll be in a lot bigger legal trouble.

An old frame of reference like "the NCAA won't bite the hands that feed it" aren't applicable. The stakes in this situation are enormous...

Thing is the FBI doesn't really care what the NCAA does to schools they have no fight in that part. And if you read that Forde and Thamel piece a key part about"IF" the FBI shares what it has with the NCAA .

 

[zipp]

Thing is the FBI doesn't really care what the NCAA does to schools they have no fight in that part. And if you read that Forde and Thamel piece a key part about"IF" the FBI shares what it has with the NCAA .

Relax, this ball is just getting rolling. Sit back and enjoy it. Pitino is clean of this stuff, and the worst that's gonna happen for U of L is a kid like Behanan got paid without Pitino knowing. #1, it ain't that many kids affecting U of L. And #2, they can't take that banner down TWICE.

On the flipside, there are many, many kids and coaches who are gonna get implicated. And it's not you. I hope it takes forever to shake out...