Early thoughts about North Carolina
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Cards open at -6 road favorite.
UNC lost at home to Cal.
Cards nearly lost to Purdue.
Cards iron out some kinks and win by 10+.
UNC lost at home to Cal.
Cards nearly lost to Purdue.
Cards iron out some kinks and win by 10+.
If we can hold onto the ball in the red zone and cut the stupid penalties will be fine. However if it's a repeat of Saturday it will be a long day. Obvious I know.
This. UNC will be hyped and at home. If we make the same mistakes as this past week then we will get dog walked. Cut the mistakes then we will win by at least two TD s.
Look at St X. They don't have the best athletes in the world but have one of the best teams. They are disciplined, hit their assignments hard, and do not make dumb mistakes. Same goes if you have all the talent in the world and are undisciplined, you will not fair well. I just never thought I'd see such an undisciplined team two years in a row. Discipline is the most basic principal in football and shouldn't be a huge issue for a legitimate D1 team not even D2
We are in a Power 5 conference even the teams rebuilding have good players and coaches. I think we win but not in a blowout and that is ok but I am sure some people will see the sky is falling scenario.
See I just don't know what some of you watched Saturday night. Yes, we had 9 false starts and 3 fumbles but other than that the way we played was pretty impressive. We protected Lamar and he went off. The OL is huge and they're going to be really good. None of those false starts stopped us from scoring. The fumbles did and that is a legit concern. But, in this game against Purdue, we created 4 turnovers ourselves. The defense played very well in a opening game against a aggressive throwing team with a creative offensive mind like Brohm.
Purdue is vastly better than they have been. Their fans are pumped with a offense they haven't seen for a while. Many people thought we would win by 25, including me because of how bad Purdue has been. But Jeff Brohm is a difference maker and he got two huge breaks in those fumbles at the one yard line and he kept the pressure on us. The Cards responded without error both on defense and offense to take the lead in the game.
Since we only won by 7 some say we played terrible but that is nonsense. We didn't play like we can but I like what appears to me like another great team with its biggest issue the OL looking much better. UNC on the other hand expected a win over a average Cal team who had to replace a very good QB last year. They were 12 point favs. The final score was misleading as UNC scored a meaningless TD with no time on the clock. They have many more issues to sort out. The Cards are not going to be rattled on the road at Chapel Hill. We've been in tougher places since Lamar Jackson.
I watched the game again yesterday and while the false starts were very frustrating when watching live, seeing all the good work the OL did on replay was very encouraging. I like the Cards winning by 15+
We all want more focus and less mistakes, but to compare what a high school team is doing is a stretch. Besides, I'd argue STX does have the best athletes, as they recruit.
Definitely a weird comparison - St X - really? They don't have the best athletes because - although they have the largest male enrollment in Louisville - they haven't been relevant since Beatty showed up at Trinity. Relative to other Kentucky HS - they've underachieved for better than a decade.
It is the Coaching.....or lack thereof. The X-factor. To an alumnus...down right embarrassing. Almost as if the Administration has chosen to de-emphasize FB excellence at the school.
Where have you gone Coach J. Meihaus, and Bill Glazer? Not Mike G.
After what I saw Saturday, I don't see any way Carolina can hang with you guys. Good luck to you guys.
Anybody going to the game? UNC announced today that Michael Jordan will be at the game as a honorary captain.
Anybody going to the game? UNC announced today that Michael Jordan will be at the game as a honorary captain.
Purdue wasnt supposed to hang with the Cards either.
Good luck to your Tar Heels.
It may have something to do with the fact that they actually still hold onto their academic integrity and do not just let anyone into their building solely because they can play football..(Trinity) They will still curb stomp most schools in the state not named Trinity and are always competitive with Trinity. They are also more disciplined than our cards, and that is my point.It is the Coaching.....or lack thereof. The X-factor. To an alumnus...down right embarrassing. Almost as if the Administration has chosen to de-emphasize FB excellence at the school.
Where have you gone Coach J. Meihaus, and Bill Glazer? Not Mike G.
If you want St X to go to Sh%t so they can compete with Trinity then shame on you. Some of the players at trinity have no business walking those halls and Im sure could not get through four years of a school like that if it wasn't for them being good at football. Its embarrassing.
Some of you people would sell your souls for your "sports" teams to be good .
This is one reason Americans are some of the dumbest people in the world.
What athletes at Trinity are you referring to because your comments show you have no knowledge about Trinity or high school athletics. Trinity & St. X recruit but so does all the public schools I don't know why you don't know that.
Yea I know, I coach at a local Catholic grade school and most of my players either go to one of Trinity or St X....but you're right, I have no clue. Carry on, expert.
You still haven't told us what players at Trinity aren't smart enough to be there that is a serious accusation. I guess by your failure to do so you are making false accusations. Since you coach at a local Catholic grade school did you know that a lot of Catholic grade school kids go to public schools and play sports?
As a matter of fact more Catholic school kids go to public schools and play sports than public school kids go to Catholic schools. I wonder why there is this misconception that public schools don't recruit. They have been recruiting longer than the Catholic schools.
As a matter of fact more Catholic school kids go to public schools and play sports than public school kids go to Catholic schools. I wonder why there is this misconception that public schools don't recruit. They have been recruiting longer than the Catholic schools.
One thing that is true of Louisville the last couple seasons is that it is dangerous to put any faith in them based on point spread; I used to keep up with this alot more about twenty years ago, but it used to be uncommon to see a team have a line move more than three points. With Louisville it has seen swings of six points almost weekly and we have seen pretty poor results vs. the spread on back to midseason 2016. Against Duke, at UVa, obviously Houston and Kentucky and this season already against Purdue. Not just struggles to cover, but struggles to win.
On the other hand how did the Cards do against the spread vs FSU and NC State last year?
What a terrible post on so many levels. St. X is obviously able to compete for state titles in other sports like swimming, tennis, baseball, etc - guess only those kids that play football aren't academically up to the curriculum at St. X - lol. What a complete cop out / rationalization for not being able to win in football. The reason X doesn't win is because if you are a good Catholic football player - unless you are a super legacy - you go to Trinity to play for Beatty. It's no different than why all of the really good swimmers go to X - they want to compete for and with, the best.
On top of it - though you didn't say it, the overwhelming majority of those kids that you are specifically referencing to that go to Trinity but that you think are unfit for St. X - are African American. The bottom line is that there are really smart kids at X and Trinity and, some pretty dumb ones too. Those groups get all of the attention - while those in the middle get left to fend for themselves if you will. As far as how HS in Kentucky are regarded academically - there are many that grade out higher than X.
In the last 4 years X has lost to Male (4 times), Bowling Green (4 times), Central, Trinity (6 times) & Cin X every year. Not exactly proof of your "curb stomp" comment.
I will agree with you on one point - posts like yours definitely do prove how "dumb" some Americans are - lol.
So it is not the coaching? I live out of state....so only get to see the Tigers when they play Trinity....as I usually drive in from St Louis to see the rivalry game. The last 2 years it was pretty clear to me that the reason T dominated the game was in large part due to the coaching and in game adjustments. T had better talent too....so they won rather handily.
Trinity grads would likely refute your assertion on the academic integrity issue.
Your response reeks of race bias and sad to say....hate. There was a time that this rivalry was dominated by X and it was done without sacrificing academic integrity. Oh, and X had the better coach(es) during that time. That is a point to consider that you failed to address in your reply post..
Which of the 2 schools did you attend? If you are willing to say.
Your last sentence fits your response pretty well.
Trinity has 3 academic tracks they are Standard, Average and Honors and they have always had those 3 tracks. You are placed in an academic track based on your test scores and you can move up or down based on your performance. This is the way it has always been but even though you are in the Standard track you have to take all the same core curriculum courses an honor student takes.
I was in the Average track and my Senior year my courses included English Literature, Harvard Physics, Marriage Law, 3rd year French and Trigonometry. Trinity also gives scholarships to underprivileged students who don't play sports, when I was at Trinity they gave 10 of those every year.
I was in the Average track and my Senior year my courses included English Literature, Harvard Physics, Marriage Law, 3rd year French and Trigonometry. Trinity also gives scholarships to underprivileged students who don't play sports, when I was at Trinity they gave 10 of those every year.
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Obviously I'm not going to name minors on a high school team.
I went to trinity for three years and graduated in 99 and am bi racial, father is white and mother is a black Brazilian ...so how about injecting race into someone else's conversation ??? Is that the go to these days in America when someone disagrees with you ? Maybe do some soul searching and ask yourself why you throw that into conversations. Maybe you are just part of the American herd and you are trained well or maybe you have more deep rooted issues. Only you know can know that.
Obviously I'm not going to name minors on a high school team.
I'm a public school kid and non Catholic; however, I married a Catholic and raised my children as such. They all went to parochial schools (Sacred Heart, St. X, and Assumption). Plus two of them went to the University of Dayton (a Catholic University). It sure sounds like the ole' green eyed monster has raised it's very ugly head with your postings. One grandson went to and graduated from Trinity and the other from St. X. They are brothers and followed their own choices and were successful with those choices. It seems that every time a "school" (parochial or public) is successful the ole' "recruiting" issue raises it's ugly head. There was once a coach at Fern Creek that accused Bobby Redman of just that and the KHSAA investigated and ruled that there was absolutely no evidence of that charge. The fact is that some coaches are just better at their trade than others. It's just that simple.
GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!
tluck.
Still you did not address the coaching issue.
Your being bi-racial.....is you injecting the race issue, not me. Your obvious comments on the intelligence of the T players was also introduced by you.....not me.
So tell me once again....who is it that is using the herd mentality? Who is it that is hung up on race?
Until you honestly look in the mirror and answer those questions, it appears that it is you who is the one with issues. I will pray for you.....and me that we both have a pure and clean heart in this matter.
Still you did not address the coaching issue.
Your being bi-racial.....is you injecting the race issue, not me. Your obvious comments on the intelligence of the T players was also introduced by you.....not me.
So tell me once again....who is it that is using the herd mentality? Who is it that is hung up on race?
Until you honestly look in the mirror and answer those questions, it appears that it is you who is the one with issues. I will pray for you.....and me that we both have a pure and clean heart in this matter.
I'll take Louisville and the -9.5 spread. Idk why. Just got that feeling. We should beat UNC handedly. Gave up like 400 passing yards vs CAL at home last week.
And with the LB from UNC saying they're going to shutdown anything Jackson does, should just light a fire under our team and whoop em.
And with the LB from UNC saying they're going to shutdown anything Jackson does, should just light a fire under our team and whoop em.
So me saying Trinity has some players who I dont think fit the bill academically for the shamrocks, then you saying I reek racism.....are you implying those low academic players on the team are the black kids.......whoa whao now, who is racist here.? and BTW, id say 80% if not more of Trinity's football team is white, so nice try.It is the Coaching.....or lack thereof. The X-factor. To an alumnus...down right embarrassing. Almost as if the Administration has chosen to de-emphasize FB excellence at the school.
Where have you gone Coach J. Meihaus, and Bill Glazer? Not Mike G.
Race was never injected until you injected it. Sounds like you are the racist buddy, it really does. Quit throwing that card out , its not a good look for anyone. I never have used it in my life and I do just fine. Any misfortune and/or anything good that has happened in my life has happened because of me and not because of my race.
ON the football subject...yes Glaser was obviously a much better coach than present. St.X and TRINITY are both very disciplined teams and are high school teams. My whole point was making the example that our local private high schools have more line control and DISCIPLINE than our team did (last week). I used St X as an example and peoples panties got all up in a bundle. Insert Trinity in place of St X and my point still stands.
I do feel if we fix these DISCIPLINE mistakes we may not lose a game all year. If not, then it will be a very long year. Thats my opinion.
BTW, on the Catholic school subject. Desales is making its way up !
I will let others decide what to make of what you say in paragraph 1 & 2.
I agree with paragraphs 3 & 4....and is truly what I hoped this discussion would address.
Don't know and haven't followed DeSales since I graduated in 1971 from X.
Those that know me well would get a 'LoL' of you calling me racist.
You might want to look back over what your message was in your previous posts with an open mind and what you inferred pretty much in certainty is the difference between T and X FB players.
What you said you said pretty loudly without directly saying it in print. Be less obtuse next time...if you feel your message was misunderstood.
Peace
I agree with paragraphs 3 & 4....and is truly what I hoped this discussion would address.
Don't know and haven't followed DeSales since I graduated in 1971 from X.
Those that know me well would get a 'LoL' of you calling me racist.
You might want to look back over what your message was in your previous posts with an open mind and what you inferred pretty much in certainty is the difference between T and X FB players.
What you said you said pretty loudly without directly saying it in print. Be less obtuse next time...if you feel your message was misunderstood.
Peace
tluck28, I have to agree with Mayoman because you made accusations that were very generalized and you can not back it up. I graduated from Trinity in 72 and I am very close to the program and I have been close ever since. I am not saying Trinity or St X is problem free but I have not heard the academic issue raised by anybody in a legitimate way. When somebody does raise it they always do it because of race.
I was unable to watch the game live, and all I knew was how Purdue fans were howling about bad calls (to them) and how UL fans were saying how shitty we played and how bad we are going to be.
I finally got to watch it Sunday night and agree with the quote above. As bad as we played, we still won. If we don't fumble, we win by at least 3 TDs and probably more (Purdue would have been completely demoralized). We also dropped a pass deep in Purdue territory just before halftime. Catch that, and tack on another FG. All of a sudden our 7 point win is a 24 point win.
That's not even taking into account if our OL hadn't had all the false starts.
Clean up our game and UNC shouldn't be a problem.
Unfortunately I have a different take. I did go to the game and last night watched a replay on TV. It seems we played much worse (but yeah still won) than I remembered live. Although we had better stats in almost category, we were beating ourselves. You can take away the fumbles but the fact that we really had 3 in the red zone is a concern. Yeah our receivers dropped a few passes but I saw a couple of critical ones that their receivers dropped, one that was clearly a TD, that would have put them up 2 scores. Poor ball management by either Samuels not getting out of bounds or simply poor judgment by Lamar to throw it to him cost us 3 points right before halftime. That was an issue with Bobby last year as well. It was also disconcerting that Purdue did have a couple of sustained drives where they were getting huge chunks of yards on 1st down, similar to the drives in our last 3 games last year. I expect (want) better game preparation and management from CBP.
I believe the timing of this game is important - with so many mistakes made in the win against Purdue, obviously the players spent the week in some grueling practice to rectify that stuff. They will be on a pursuit merely to get as good as they can get - a major consideration being Game #3 and Clemson, coming up. There was humility offered last weekend in major dollops. I suspect this will be a very focused Louisville effort which - with a few breaks going our way - could be a blowout. I also believe things would have to go pretty wrong for us to find ourselves scratching and clawing for another win. The 2 primary strengths we showed last week (disregarding the incredibly effective effort from the O Line in Protection, (and which the detractors totally fail to discuss) were these:
1. - Lamar Jackson has indeed gotten better. While he may have lost a degree of his phenomenal quickness with his new weight class, Lord knows his passing was pretty beautiful. Those were some tiny holes he was throwing to. Plus, lol, the sucker gained over 100 yards on the ground, which used to be a desirable stat for teams. Half of his runs also meant first downs - a percentage of competence most teams would die for.
2. The defense absolutely shut them down when we needed them to..... 51 yards total on the ground, that's playing!! Jeff's bunch threw almost 60 passes to gain less than 300 yards. And then the total stonewall in the 4th quarter. Crunch time ours player got bigger. If you don;t think that's important, I don't know what to say. I think it's arguably the best thing which could have happened.
1. - Lamar Jackson has indeed gotten better. While he may have lost a degree of his phenomenal quickness with his new weight class, Lord knows his passing was pretty beautiful. Those were some tiny holes he was throwing to. Plus, lol, the sucker gained over 100 yards on the ground, which used to be a desirable stat for teams. Half of his runs also meant first downs - a percentage of competence most teams would die for.
2. The defense absolutely shut them down when we needed them to..... 51 yards total on the ground, that's playing!! Jeff's bunch threw almost 60 passes to gain less than 300 yards. And then the total stonewall in the 4th quarter. Crunch time ours player got bigger. If you don;t think that's important, I don't know what to say. I think it's arguably the best thing which could have happened.
