Does Louisville need new offensive and defensive coordinators?
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No Wilkie, we are dealing with a very youthful bunch, including Lamar as QB! Quick is the closest thing to any experience and he stays dinged up. Our O-line is very very young! We have absolutely no/minimal running game and we were playing at FSU! Get real please!?
Offense, too early to say at this point. Like the previous post they are incredibly young on offense. For anyone to think this should be a good offense is just crazy? They are going to have moments and have had moments that are very impressive. Then other times there will be moments off that make you wonder if they will ever be good. That is the nature of the beast with young kids. Really think about the offense 7 players on the field at the same time are freshman many of which are true freshman. The question is how did they get into this position in the first place?
Defense, I think that is a legit question. The reality is when they have played a legit offense they have struggled. I still think the defense is being hurt by a bad offense. The margin for error is pretty small. With that said they don't appear to real physical and have been a terrible tackling team. That is coaching which is a reason for concern.
My answer is no, but they have to recruit better depth and develop players. Next year is the defining year for Louisville, Petrino, and his staff. This year they are just too young on offense to beat good teams.
Defense, I think that is a legit question. The reality is when they have played a legit offense they have struggled. I still think the defense is being hurt by a bad offense. The margin for error is pretty small. With that said they don't appear to real physical and have been a terrible tackling team. That is coaching which is a reason for concern.
My answer is no, but they have to recruit better depth and develop players. Next year is the defining year for Louisville, Petrino, and his staff. This year they are just too young on offense to beat good teams.
Posted this question on another thread. What specifically does McGee do and, is it worth a million dollars? Grantham is definitely underperforming - defense was supposed to be the strength and it has been a liability during games against the better teams.
During his first tenure there was the palpable sense that the players were driven to perform / play hard out of a fear of Petrino's response if they didn't. That appears to be absent this go around and is perhaps due to his delegating too much responsibility to the OC & DC giv n their salaries.
Simplify the defensive scheme and get back to teaching fundamentals - like tackling FFS - if Grantham can't do it - find someone who can. Offensively, unless he's our ace recruiter - dump McGee, bring back Paul at 1/2 salary and have Bobby take complete control of the offense again.
During his first tenure there was the palpable sense that the players were driven to perform / play hard out of a fear of Petrino's response if they didn't. That appears to be absent this go around and is perhaps due to his delegating too much responsibility to the OC & DC giv n their salaries.
Simplify the defensive scheme and get back to teaching fundamentals - like tackling FFS - if Grantham can't do it - find someone who can. Offensively, unless he's our ace recruiter - dump McGee, bring back Paul at 1/2 salary and have Bobby take complete control of the offense again.
post loss frustrations tend to leave most of us with the questions of what needs to change. We can't change the youth at the skill positions, and we can't change the lack of talent on the O Line. What can be changed is the offensive play calling, and perhaps more importantly, the lack of effort and energy by some on the D.
Y'all having the same defensive discussions that every team has after they have played Houston,Clemson, and FSU.
The defense had one disastrous 3rd qtr at FSU, other than that, teams are scoring less against us than other defenses they play.
The defense had one disastrous 3rd qtr at FSU, other than that, teams are scoring less against us than other defenses they play.
Again, why does the top guy get an automatic pass as a cause for what's wrong?
The 3-4 defense sucks , never understood why any coordinator employs it. I can't recall any team win any chanpionship with that scheme.
Lamar is learning to pass the FB still until he can this offense cannot look consistenly good especially agaisnt the better athletic teams. It's just a fact.
Lamar is learning to pass the FB still until he can this offense cannot look consistenly good especially agaisnt the better athletic teams. It's just a fact.
Our defense is among the best in the nation considering our schedule. Grantham can take (and should get) a lotta credit for that.
Our offense is run by the head coach, pure and simple. I like McGee, but he's not an outsized contributor to our performance on that side of the ball. Petrino gets all of the credit or blame for the offense.
So my answer on both is a clear "no"...
Our offense is run by the head coach, pure and simple. I like McGee, but he's not an outsized contributor to our performance on that side of the ball. Petrino gets all of the credit or blame for the offense.
So my answer on both is a clear "no"...
No ledge involved - simply an assessment of things that don't seem to be working. No one has answered my question but since you saw fit to comment on my post indirectly, I'll ask you - what does McGee do specifically and how is it worth 1 + million per year?
There is not one qualified person on nthis thread that can answer that question. We are just arm chair qb's with our own varying thoughts!
Perhaps but, anyone can look around the college landscape and compare coaches at respective levels and gauge their relative effectiveness / success. Given that the only real barometer is winning and losing, all other views and opinions related to a coach's job performance are going to be subjective.
That in and of itself, doesn't mean there's no validity to them.
I agree with your post although it can't be discounted that there are fundamentals lacking with the defense. The tackling, especially at safety and on the edge, is troubling.
UL total D is ranked 37th.
UL has played against the 5th, 35th, 38th, 67th and 97th ranked offenses plus a 1-AA team.
U of L has the RPI #2 SOS in the country.
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That's fine. The #2 SOS they are playing against includes those offenses. Not sure what your point is. They are not playing offensive juggernauts each week.
The point is quoting me a series of offensive rankings doesn't tell me a team's overall strength of schedule. I could post a similar series of 3rd, 30th, 48th, 72nd, and 90th. Are you telling me that playing TCU, Ohio State, Georgia, Michigan State, and Michigan would not challenge your defense?
But my guess is that SOS would challenge Texas for #1.
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You stated ul D was among the best in the nation. SOS is irrelevant. Good teams dont always have good offenses. Im not sure why you cant understand that. D plays against the O.
You are using SOS as a basis for your D being ranked 37th. SOS does not tell how good those teams offenses are, just how good they are overall
If you played against the best 5 teams in the country and their offenses were terrible and your D gave up tons of yards would you still say our D is good because we have a #1 SOS? Of course you wouldn't.
You are using SOS as a basis for your D being ranked 37th. SOS does not tell how good those teams offenses are, just how good they are overall
If you played against the best 5 teams in the country and their offenses were terrible and your D gave up tons of yards would you still say our D is good because we have a #1 SOS? Of course you wouldn't.
As a rebuttal, I present Boston College as exhibit A. They held FSU to 119 yard passing, 98 yards rushing, and 7 offensive points. That is certainly not "less against us than other defenses".
Some of you all think this BC game is going to be a cake walk, saying we'll win out. I sure hope the coaching staff and players take the game more seriously. Based on these stats, they better or we'll be in for a long day.
Well, fellows our team is making a lot of high school and JV football mistakes on the field. We could be looking at 5-7 or 4-8 season, if they do not get their act together.
Also see Pitt and UK. The same sunshine pumpers saying we'll reel off 6 in a row were probably the ones saying we had a chance at CFP. Petrino has been a huge disappointment. Doesn't even seem like remotely the same coach. His teams (even last yrs) don't play with the same edge, sense of urgency or attention to detail other Petrino teams played with. Make all the excuses you want but no one's eyes should be deceiving them. Looks like a bunch of helter skelter crap out there
My answer is no and no as well.
Unless Bedford becomes available....then maybe.
I really like him as a DC.Anyway, yup, agree with the above post. Both sides of the ball wore down in the second half against FSU. I was very impressed of how good care of the ball FSU took. We had all kinds of pressure against their QB and he refused to do anything stupid (a big change since last year for him!). The D wore down and Cook took over, kind of like last year. Pressure, pressure, 3rd and long, and then a big play by FSU to either score or set up for a score.
One thing from Saturday I do not understand is going into HT with 2 TO's in our pocket. Granted, there was little to make me think that our O could move the ball down the field & score in less than a minute. But if you let the time run out, then you definitely won't.
First thing CBP trusts McGee to run practice and his QB's. Second, we play in a big boy conference now where coordinator salaries are much higher. With the amount of youth on the offensive side of the ball, I think McGee and Klenakis are doing a fabulous job making this group into what will be a special team in the coming years. I'm willing and excited to wait and watch it grow. Are you?
Where have you been Caveman? Enjoy your posts. MANY on here are obviously hooked up to administrative/coaching suck-ups. Anyone that thinks we do not have major tackling issues is a frick'n geek or is blindly backing the coaching staff. JMHO Bring it!!
Thanks. I kinda got disinterested in this site after hanging out somewhere else. I saw fewer and fewer fans over here and I sorta feel like this site is a little more censored than I'd like. Being so tightly tied to the school will cause that.
I came back over a few times this year and found I still have a number of things in common with people over here.
I came back over a few times this year and found I still have a number of things in common with people over here.
This argument's irrelevant because you can't find those five teams.
Similarly, I just proved your list of offensive rankings are irrelevant because I could find a similar list of pretty good teams IN REALITY with similar rankings. IOW, your analysis doesn't hold water.
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No way and no way. That said the next 6 games are really really important!
You might have explained one difference between CBP & CPB 2.0 - which could have some bearing on why things seem different this time around. If I'm not mistaken, Petrino ran the offensive side of practices during his first tenure - though he did have Paul helping.
I'm not concerned with what they're being paid - only that they are worth it. I can point to plenty of assistants in the past 5 years that have been paid $750K to 1 million plus, that were worth every penny. Again, asking questions does not mean that I've given up on anything - I've been a Louisville fan my whole life and season ticket holder (basketball as well) for the past 15 years - I'm not going anywhere. Asking questions doesn't mean that you're less of a fan or, care less about the program - far from it.
Yes those are some pretty good teams but they are not all good offensive teams which is my point.
Your point was debunked. You don't even know that the line-up of the five offenses you cited isn't, as a group, among the best that anyone in the nation has played this year.
Numbers only mean something relative to other numbers. For starters, show me the line-ups of offenses that other teams have played and their corresponding defensive numbers.
Let me guess, you don't have them.
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