Bobby has barred Shaq from transfering to UK (of course), Miss. State (Grantham), Notre Dame, Purdue and WKU. (?).
Coach P bars Wiggins from 5 schools
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I can understand our instate rival, UK, and Miss. St because of Grantham being there, and UofL does play Purdue this year. But why ban him from Notre Dame and WKU is curious.
This is a common practice among coaches when a transfer occurs. I don't like it, but I accept it. But, since Petrino is doing it, watch the soon to be overreaction. I'm fully expecting a Yahoo story, some snarky tweets by sports journalists, and multiple threads on multiple message boards.
Ok, I don't profess to know the whole story but don't hold a grudge against the kid just because he wants to go play for the coach who brought him to U of L in the first place. Don't take it out on the kid because of your issues with Grantham. It's not a good look for future recruits and transfers.
I had the same questions. I believe we should take the high ground let the kid go play where ever he wants.
We don't stop millionaire coaches from going to any school they desire.
Grad transfers shouldn't be stopped from going anywhere - that's ridiculous. Pretty puzzling PR move from someone who knows how many people are looking for a reason to jump on him.
Updated- Wiggins appeals, Petrino allows transfer to Cowbell State. Everyone go have a cocktail. This long, national nightmare is over.
Well I would think the coach would need to present a valid reason for not allowing him to play there. Since they weren't on our schedule, I don't think just saying "because I don't want him playing for my former DC is good enough reason.
So you think that UofL or any university should be able to tell a kid who has graduated where he can or cannot continue his education?
That's utter nonsense.
Not X, but I'll answer for myself... I like the grad transfer rule where a player with a degree is eligible to go anywhere he/she wants to play without delay. If Wiggins indeed has a degree in hand, he should be able to go to the program of his choice.
If Wiggins is/was subject to a transfer restriction, I don't think he should be arbitrarily restricted. And Petrino would probably say he wasn't. Unless/until we have Petrino's side of the argument--which we will likely never get--you can't make that call, whether he was being arbitrarily restricted. We have people here willing to make that decision, but no one really knows...
I agree . . . To a point. I do think a school should be able to limit a former player's (graduated) options as to where they CAN PLAY. This would limit those choices to those schools NOT on your schedule. But other than that the limitation should end with that codicil. As far as continuing their education they should be able to go anywhere they desire and I believe they do have that choice.
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Wiggins did graduate in December. I think it is reasonable to restrict him from playing somewhere that is on the schedule during the range of his remaining playing career. Anything above that seems unreasonable and vindictive.
It is nonsense. It's also, apparently, within the rules. The kid got his way in the end. Nothing to worry about.
Not worried - I guess I just objected to your characterization that he "whined" in order to get an outcome that was reasonable.
Furthermore, I don't think that it's reasonable to restrict a kid who's graduated from playing at any school he chooses - including those on your future schedule. He's fulfilled his commitment and if he wants to go to a competing school - his former coach should have ZERO say in any of it.
Shaq graduated. He should be able to go wherever he wants. I see the logic behind Purdue & UK, but Miss State is just f'ing petty. Absolutely nothing gained by that, it's unfair to Shaq, and an unnecessary PR hit. Why do it? Because he's pissed at Todd Grantham. Say what you wnt about Todd, but his players love him so I'm not surprised Shaq wants to follow TG there.
I am glad the ban on MSU was lifted. Stupid.
What zipp is possibly referring to is the possibility that CBP and Grantham had a fallout in the middle of the season (which is believable since our defense didn't seem to change) and that Grantham knew he was leaving and secretly trying to recruit certain players like Shaq to leave with him. Only thing that would make sense.
Initially blocking him to MSU was likely in response to Grantham recruiting him. It was an F U to his F U. Bad press ensued and Petrino relented.
Well, he did essentially whine when he took it to the press. He whined then got his way.
OK, I'll play along... Suppose Wiggins did NOT graduate and Petrino gives him the OK to transfer to MSU. Then, the next day, two more players recruited by Grantham come into his office and ask for the same privilege...which because of the "PR hit" Petrino allows as well. Two days later, three more guys walk in, and you get the picture.
How is granting Wiggins a transfer to MSU now reconciled with that?...
How is granting Wiggins a transfer to MSU now reconciled with that?...
I made this remark in another thread on the subject, not knowing the issues here anymore than you guys do...
There are over two hundred FBS and FCS football programs, many of which could use a guy of Wiggins' caliber. Allowing him to freely transfer to 98% of them is hardly restrictive. And if I ever get Petrino's side of this issue, I'll be glad to make a more definitive call in Wiggins' favor.
I have no problem taking a stand on something when I have good info...
There are over two hundred FBS and FCS football programs, many of which could use a guy of Wiggins' caliber. Allowing him to freely transfer to 98% of them is hardly restrictive. And if I ever get Petrino's side of this issue, I'll be glad to make a more definitive call in Wiggins' favor.
I have no problem taking a stand on something when I have good info...
To me, there's a very stark line between graduating and not. Shaq graduated from UoL, he should be able to go wherever the F he wants if they'll have him.
I don't think that's the debate here because if it's a rule, it's a rule...
If Wiggins had not graduated then he falls under the traditional transfer rule and he has to sit a year before playing. That's not what Wiggins wants. He wants to play right away so he can be drafted. Playing for a previous coach who believed in you just makes it a easier transition.
Maybe but, that seems far fetched on a couple of fronts. First, I don't see Grantham planning to leave for school to take a half $1 million pay cut and second, if he was going to recruit players, you might think he would try to get someone who is actually a starter and or difference maker. Wiggins is neither of those.
False.
The transfer ban list became public and espn contacted Wiggins to ask him about it. He told them the situation and it became more public. He then, appealed to the university as is his right as a student and the decision was changed.
If you consider that whining, then you don't know the meaning of the word.
Barring him from going anywhere as a graduated student is restricting him - whether it rates your use of the word "hardly" or not.
And honestly Zipp, you don't really have to have "good info" on this to know exactly what the situation was - Petrino simply trying to be a hard ass.
How did the ban list become public? Also, when you use the term "it's not fair," true or not, that's a whine.
"I really don't know what's his state of thinking or why he chose to put Mississippi State on there. ... I have no idea why. It's really not fair."
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I don't know conclusively that Petrino thought that he couldn't block Wiggins' transfer but was trying to do so anyway. And I think that's what some of you guys are alleging. That speculating assumes the following:
- Wiggins has indeed graduated.
- Petrino knew that he couldn't block him in a transfer.
- He tried to block him anyway, which I'm calling a "bluff".
And to reason that Petrino tried to block him anyway, you'd have to conclude he was trying to bluff Wiggins away from one of those schools. In all honesty, do you think Petrino with everything else he has to worry about and on such flimsy footing, he would be trying to coerce Wiggins? That's a stretch. I think it was more likely an honest mistake--that Petrino lacked that authority--and he had no choice but to grant the request.
Too much conspiracy thinking going on. I think the more intelligent debate is should Petrino have blocked the request even if he had the authority. Although I've already said we're lacking the info to debate that issue to a logical conclusion...
For like the 10th time, I understand the graduate transfer rule as far as a restriction. There isn't one except that the receiving school must have a graduate academic program for the transferring player that the original school doesn't.
And I think Petrino NOW understands that as well. (And he didn't previously...)
And I think Petrino NOW understands that as well. (And he didn't previously...)
Who knows - probably leaked by the trump White House.
Again, if you describe pointing out something that is wrong or egregious or arbitrary as "whining" - well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Petrino does have the authority but shouldn't - nor should any coach. Petrino tried to block him from MSU for some reason - either to be a dick to Wiggins or Grantham, or both but shouldn't have.
He only relented as the PR situation got bad - as of today only MSU came off the list.
I'm not following this issue that closely because it doesn't register with me, but here's the deal... The U of L athletics administration folks aren't idiots. If MSU "came off the list" and no one else did, that tells me that Wiggins is/was short of what he needed to graduate, despite what some here are saying. U of L can't block him transferring otherwise.
As far as blocking him from MSU specifically, I was and still would be 100% OK with that. Keeps a lid on other guys trying to transfer to MSU as well. If U of L confirmed that risk not to be great, perhaps that's why Petrino relented.
There's a lotta assumptions in there, but again, I'm perfectly OK with Petrino taking that stand with MSU...
As far as blocking him from MSU specifically, I was and still would be 100% OK with that. Keeps a lid on other guys trying to transfer to MSU as well. If U of L confirmed that risk not to be great, perhaps that's why Petrino relented.
There's a lotta assumptions in there, but again, I'm perfectly OK with Petrino taking that stand with MSU...
Every coach does this, Nick Saban just put Louisville on the no transfer list. Saban did it because we are a future opponent of Alabama, CBP probably did this to make sure other players didn't want to transfer to MSU as well.
I don't get it. Wiggins got his degree and wants to continue his education elsewhere while having a year of eligibility left to play football. He should not be punished for that. Bobby Petrino should not be standing in his way of going wherever he wants to go. This is absurd. I thought this newer kinder gentler CBP was different. Apparently he's still a huge prick after all. Very disappointing.
I wonder Cue if you'd be the first to bitch and moan if a "transfer" came back to bite us in the butt by intercepting a pass or anything else that would damage our opportunity for a victory. To limit Wiggins to anywhere that isn't on our schedule is a little over the top. He has been released to go to MSU but not those schools on our future schedules. And I'm fine with that since IT IS WITHIN THE RULES. Being a prick be damned.
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