Classic Pitino: "It doesn't take any talent to be a critic"...
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There's plenty of talent posting on this board. The field which the talent is in is the only true question.
I will say there aren't any talented posters on this board who understands the game of basketball as well as the hall of fame coach who run the Louisville basketball program. That I am supremely confident in saying.
I get that this venue is a place to brag, poke rivals, argue and complain, but when amateurs pretend they know more than professionals, that is where it becomes both amusing and annoying to me. Not that they shouldn't share their opinions, but sometimes it just gets ridiculous.
I wouldn't pretend to know how to do surgery, or drive a semi, or be a mechanic, or do dental work, etc., but everybody thinks they are a coach just because they watch sports.
Originally posted by ACCCard:
I get that this venue is a place to brag, poke rivals, argue and complain, but when amateurs pretend they know more than professionals, that is where it becomes both amusing and annoying to me. Not that they shouldn't share their opinions, but sometimes it just gets ridiculous.J/K
Sports brings out the devil in a lot of people. Too many associate the worth of their own lives to the outcome of a game. Sad but true.
OK soooo...this brings up a lot of questions for me. Let me preface this by saying im not trying to be disrespectful and no malice intended, but I just don't understand your premise.
Nobody can have an opinion of the team they support other than Pitino?
Nobody else in America are capable of analyzing a team or break down personnel other than Pitino?
People can't express their opinions positively or negatively on a message board (public forum)?
Are your opinions the only ones that matter?
Personally I come to the message board to connect with other Cards fans. Pro football is king in my area. So for me this is like bar room talk among people with similar interest. I enjoy the passion expressed by many on this board. I enjoy reading you guys posts. I don't want everybody agreeing with what I say because it makes for lively debate. Although I'm right 95% of the time, give or take 1 or 2%....*sigh* its a gift Anyway, would you rather have a message board like an SEC school? For example, Georgia, drowned in mediocrity, thinks Mark Fox is a great coach. I believe he has a losing overall record and exactly 1 NCAA appearance during his tenure at UGA. But many seem to think he does a great job because he's a nice guy. He loses to Atlantic 10 and Patriot league opponents at home and always loses to ranked opponents. Yet you would find a lot of gee gosh we are becoming a good program, yay team! Would you rather be smug like some of the folks on Cats Illustrated? Its their world and you're lucky to be living in it.
Bottomline is people have different ways of expressing their opinions, frustrations, and joy. It doesn't make them "phsyco" because what and how they say it doesn't link up with your opinion. You can't make somebody think exactly like you. Mediocrity is unacceptable at U of L. When we lose I'm unhappy. When we win...yay happy dance time. Its just fun guys!
FWIW Pitino better know more than any poster because he get paid millions of dollars to be elite at his craft.
Nobody can have an opinion of the team they support other than Pitino?
Nobody else in America are capable of analyzing a team or break down personnel other than Pitino?
People can't express their opinions positively or negatively on a message board (public forum)?
Are your opinions the only ones that matter?
Personally I come to the message board to connect with other Cards fans. Pro football is king in my area. So for me this is like bar room talk among people with similar interest. I enjoy the passion expressed by many on this board. I enjoy reading you guys posts. I don't want everybody agreeing with what I say because it makes for lively debate. Although I'm right 95% of the time, give or take 1 or 2%....*sigh* its a gift Anyway, would you rather have a message board like an SEC school? For example, Georgia, drowned in mediocrity, thinks Mark Fox is a great coach. I believe he has a losing overall record and exactly 1 NCAA appearance during his tenure at UGA. But many seem to think he does a great job because he's a nice guy. He loses to Atlantic 10 and Patriot league opponents at home and always loses to ranked opponents. Yet you would find a lot of gee gosh we are becoming a good program, yay team! Would you rather be smug like some of the folks on Cats Illustrated? Its their world and you're lucky to be living in it.
Bottomline is people have different ways of expressing their opinions, frustrations, and joy. It doesn't make them "phsyco" because what and how they say it doesn't link up with your opinion. You can't make somebody think exactly like you. Mediocrity is unacceptable at U of L. When we lose I'm unhappy. When we win...yay happy dance time. Its just fun guys!
FWIW Pitino better know more than any poster because he get paid millions of dollars to be elite at his craft.
These threads have a little bit of irony to them.
Complain about UofL basketball: Scorn. Complain about UofL fans: Applause.
Complain about UofL basketball: Scorn. Complain about UofL fans: Applause.
You mean complain about Coach Pitino-scorn.
Remember all the complaints, whining, and crying when Strong WON !
Unending biching about barely winning or not covering the spread.
No such complaints about Pitino and Petrino WHEN THEY ACTUALLY LOST GAMES !
Zipp, give your internet identity a rest. Shut the laptop and hangout with your family. They miss you.
You're like Louisville Rivals.com's own personal Lawnmower Man.
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This post was edited on 3/22 1:13 PM by Rob_deVille
You're like Louisville Rivals.com's own personal Lawnmower Man.
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This post was edited on 3/22 1:13 PM by Rob_deVille
These threads are ridiculous, I really have to question if some that come here actually understand the concept and mentality of being a sports fan, lets face it, sports are not sloving any of the worlds problems or saving lives from incurable illness, sports are a release from those things, some of you guys can't wait to see someone post something negative so you can wave your "I'm a better fan than you flag".. It's a kids game being coached by a multi-millionaire and we're just a bunch of faceless people on a message board. It's sports people !
Sports are entertainment. You're supposed to either enjoy it as a participant or as an observer.
If you're paid to either play or watch, you have more on the line than simply entertainment value. For that person, it may be a business. If someday you may be paid in those capacities, it should/could be taken as a future business endeavor. I doubt that applies to any of us here. For us, it's simply entertainment.
When you take something too seriously, it moves beyond the realm of reality. It has side effects. You take losing personally and look for someone or something to blame. You react emotionally and irrationally. You posture as someone you're not, like a basketball coach. And my experience is that typically, you don't like it when someone points that stuff out. You get personal with whoever it is that disagrees with you.
It's possible to criticize without resorting to those tactics, a point that most of our persistent critics here gloss over. Those of you in this camp want to simplify the world as rational critics vs. pollyannas. It helps you feel better characterizing the rest of us as eternally optimistic, glass-half-full types. It's a defensive tactic on your part. But it's part of your delusion.
Keep up the effort if you want--doesn't matter to me 'cuz I love a good debate. Just don't expect me to ignore what's at the root of your issue: you take it too seriously...
This post was edited on 3/22 7:18 PM by zipp
If you're paid to either play or watch, you have more on the line than simply entertainment value. For that person, it may be a business. If someday you may be paid in those capacities, it should/could be taken as a future business endeavor. I doubt that applies to any of us here. For us, it's simply entertainment.
When you take something too seriously, it moves beyond the realm of reality. It has side effects. You take losing personally and look for someone or something to blame. You react emotionally and irrationally. You posture as someone you're not, like a basketball coach. And my experience is that typically, you don't like it when someone points that stuff out. You get personal with whoever it is that disagrees with you.
It's possible to criticize without resorting to those tactics, a point that most of our persistent critics here gloss over. Those of you in this camp want to simplify the world as rational critics vs. pollyannas. It helps you feel better characterizing the rest of us as eternally optimistic, glass-half-full types. It's a defensive tactic on your part. But it's part of your delusion.
Keep up the effort if you want--doesn't matter to me 'cuz I love a good debate. Just don't expect me to ignore what's at the root of your issue: you take it too seriously...
This post was edited on 3/22 7:18 PM by zipp
This retort just tells me that you are someone who enjoys being a contrarian....and that's fine. There's nobody on here that wants to kill themselves after a loss. It's not taken that seriously...just typical fandom. Now there are people who burn couches and turn over cars after a big win. Now THAT is going too far.
I have no problem criticizing Lord Pitino when he deserves it.
Do I have to be an "expert" or have "talent" to see that he has some recruiting issues? Or can I simply point out the obvious? This team can't shoot. Pitino didn't do a good job in recruiting a shooter for this team.
Senior night consisted of 1 senior: Blackshear. No Ware, Behanan, Jones, Zach Price or Angel Nunez. To lose that many players is a recruiting issue.
But then again I'm no expert........
Do I have to be an "expert" or have "talent" to see that he has some recruiting issues? Or can I simply point out the obvious? This team can't shoot. Pitino didn't do a good job in recruiting a shooter for this team.
Senior night consisted of 1 senior: Blackshear. No Ware, Behanan, Jones, Zach Price or Angel Nunez. To lose that many players is a recruiting issue.
But then again I'm no expert........
Posted by Zipp:
Keep up the effort if you want--doesn't matter to me 'cuz I love a good debate. Just don't expect me to ignore what's at the root of your issue: you take it too seriously...
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This tells the whole story, this is what you live for, you want to debate with someone, if I come on here and I'm pissed because Rick doesn't play freshman, or doesn't play someone because they can't play D, or their body fat is more than 7%, or he recruits too many projects, or just because I don't like him, that's my perogative as long as I don't violate the rules of this board, you rarely come back with a counterpoint, you come back with a psychological evaluation and tell me (and others) I'm investing myself too much in a game, and I'm not qualified to have my opinion or I'm talking out school because I'm not a multi-million dollar HOF coach, I say Bullshit, I'm only on this board to converse with other Louisville fans, most of my friends are either slapdick or IU fans, or don't even follow sports. It's ok to have different opinions, and if the people some of you complain about didn't come here to post this board would be dead.
Keep up the effort if you want--doesn't matter to me 'cuz I love a good debate. Just don't expect me to ignore what's at the root of your issue: you take it too seriously...
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This tells the whole story, this is what you live for, you want to debate with someone, if I come on here and I'm pissed because Rick doesn't play freshman, or doesn't play someone because they can't play D, or their body fat is more than 7%, or he recruits too many projects, or just because I don't like him, that's my perogative as long as I don't violate the rules of this board, you rarely come back with a counterpoint, you come back with a psychological evaluation and tell me (and others) I'm investing myself too much in a game, and I'm not qualified to have my opinion or I'm talking out school because I'm not a multi-million dollar HOF coach, I say Bullshit, I'm only on this board to converse with other Louisville fans, most of my friends are either slapdick or IU fans, or don't even follow sports. It's ok to have different opinions, and if the people some of you complain about didn't come here to post this board would be dead.
Zipp - apparently the entertainment value of the tourney has gone up again this year. Thursday and Friday set ratings records. Looks like the "demise" of the tourney may be premature.
Zipp, again, trying his hardest to become the focus of a thread.
The loneliness is strong in this one...
The loneliness is strong in this one...
Posted by Zipp:
Just like admitting you come here "pi$$ed" is... It also explains exaggeration on your part, which you've just done. Again. If you're gonna be irrational and not conduct rational debate, you're gonna go head to head with me just about all the time. And knowing why you come here doesn't cause me to change that tact.
Ultimately, it's your choice.
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There are very few things about sports that are rational or not exaggerated unless you're a robot, I'm human and I definitely have flaws, I'm quite aware of my short comings, I can get those pointed out to me at anytime,(I have a wife) I don't really need to come here for that. I've given you totally too much of my time today, sorry I couldn't do any good for you but at least you had someone to "debate" with for a little bit, so you run along now and try to find someone else to save or convert, I'm perfectly happy with my imperfections. Go Cards !!!
Just like admitting you come here "pi$$ed" is... It also explains exaggeration on your part, which you've just done. Again. If you're gonna be irrational and not conduct rational debate, you're gonna go head to head with me just about all the time. And knowing why you come here doesn't cause me to change that tact.
Ultimately, it's your choice.
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There are very few things about sports that are rational or not exaggerated unless you're a robot, I'm human and I definitely have flaws, I'm quite aware of my short comings, I can get those pointed out to me at anytime,(I have a wife) I don't really need to come here for that. I've given you totally too much of my time today, sorry I couldn't do any good for you but at least you had someone to "debate" with for a little bit, so you run along now and try to find someone else to save or convert, I'm perfectly happy with my imperfections. Go Cards !!!
The mighty midget has spoken. Only one out of 5- 6 potential seniors actually made it to senior night, but Zipp blindly doesn't see an issue with that. Since you want to break it down to data, roughly 20% of the players Pitino recruited for this year actually made it to Senior night. Is 20% a satisfactory statistic for you?
And it's not like any of these kids left for the NBA. They either left on their own or were dismissed. There's also been rumblings that Aaron and Gill could be gone after this season. You ok with adding two more to the list? Hey, it's just data, right?
So come back with your next flippant, apologist, red shaded glasses answer that ignores the FACT that Pitino has recruiting issues. Tell us how a 20% rate isn't an indicator that Pitino is making some serious mistakes in his recruiting process.
Please do tell me what unsubstantiated opinions, cause and effect claims that I made. Everything I said was FACT. Roughly 20% of the players that were supposed to be seniors on this years team didn't make it, and it's not because any of them went to the NBA. They either left or were dismissed.
Where's the exaggeration in that statement? Where's the lack of evidence? It's all right there in hard core statistics. Nice try at a deflection though. Oh, that's right, you HINTED. I guess when presented with irrefutable facts you have to at least hint that someone other than you may have a valid point.
Where's the exaggeration in that statement? Where's the lack of evidence? It's all right there in hard core statistics. Nice try at a deflection though. Oh, that's right, you HINTED. I guess when presented with irrefutable facts you have to at least hint that someone other than you may have a valid point.
Thanks for proving my "mighty midget" analogy. I presented you with cold, hard facts and the only thing you've got is "you're an LPT fan" or a "Pitino hater". LOL. So who's the one doing the name calling?
You need to take a long look in the mirror and realize that you're completely buried in the red shaded glasses. To top it off you operate under the delusion of grandeur that yours is the only opinion that matters. What you don't realize is that your opinion is what ever Pitino says in a press conference. You remind me of Lachlan McClane in how you're so self righteous of your opinion. When you're proven wrong, the best you can come up with is "I hinted" at that.
You act like a UK fan. You cling to Pitino and think he's as flawless as they do about Cal. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is either a hater or a fan of the other team. Yet the only thing you usually bring to the board is hanging on the jock strap of the coach.
Why not man up and admit that there has been some recruiting issues instead of grudgingly "hinting at it"?
I give Pitino credit in every area he's due: He's one of the greatest coaches of all time. Defensive mastermind. Great motivator. Yet he's not perfect and I'll point that out too. He makes a lot of recruiting mistakes. Far too many players either leave or are dismissed. This years senior night is the perfect example of it. The players that leave or are dismissed are the players that he chose. Some that stay never turned out to be what he claimed they would. "Mike Marra is the greatest shooter I've ever seen".
Originally posted by ACCCard:
Come on back critics? We miss you tonight. Where are you?Well, one came back. If only to enlighten us about what he is and isn't.
Conceding anything is tough when they're as emotional and irrational as they are. And when they've invested so much personally. That's the part I don't understand--why it's so personal for them. You'd almost think THEY coached the team or signed the coach's paycheck. I do understand that different people live under different circumstances. One guy can't debate for too long without bringing his wife into the issue, and yesterday he laments how many LPT fans he has to live with. Marital stuff and LPT fans are factors I don't care about hearing, but they probably matter.
The old memory ain't what it used to be, but I need to try harder to remember who they are. The more they debate, the easier that is...
I have observed endless debate here about recruiting issues and so forth. The fact is, Louisville basketball is having the best run they have ever had! I personally have been enjoying it instead of worrying about what could have been. My observation is that too many of the negative thinkers are so affected by what UK is doing that they cannot enjoy what Louisville is doing. When Pitino leaves, the Cards will be hard pressed to find a replacement that has brought the kind of success to this program he has. You may just find that then you will really have something to complain, worry and gripe about. "Microwave society"
WRONG.
THIS IS THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE. The Cards will always be elite. If that coach, cant live up
to the standards set by Coach Hickman, Coach Crum, and Coach Pitino, he's out.
For all of Coach Pitino's "great run", its still produced only ONE TITLE. Its not about SuCkS or the future Without
him, Its about what he does as the HC.
HES SAID "Recruiting is 50 % of this business"
