Cats fans forever in denial over UCLA

[Sawyer]

Listening to the V Show earlier in the week and Bob had Mike Pratt on. I really like Mike and can actually tolerate most of what he says about college hoops. Sure, he is Big Blue all the way but he is he a good guy. However, during the call Mike referenced UCLA's record breaking NCAA Championship run from 64' through 75'. Instead of referencing them as the UCLA Bruins and giving them kudos for what they accomplished he called it the era of the Sam Gilbert UCLA teams. Sam Gilbert was a wealthy UCLA fan that was known to have funded the UCLA program during Wooden's dynasty years.

BFD...back in those days there probably were not five programs in the top fifty that did not have Sugar Daddys. Anyone that thinks UK, IU or UL boosters were not taking care of their players at the same time UCLA was dominating college basketball is out to lunch.

Yet, whenever UCLA's dominating decade of college basketball is mentioned around Big Blue fans they immediately attempt to denigrate the accomplishment. It is simply impossible for them to ever accept the fact that UCLA's greatness during that run was something no other collegiate program has ever or will ever likely accomplish again.

Well, I guess Sam Gilbert's estate must have helped kick their ass last night because the Bruins surely could not have won the game straight up. No way Steve Alford could outcoach Cal, right?

 

[KerryRhodes]

Another UK thread started on a UL message board. I accept UCLA's past greatness...and yes, UCLA dominated that game last night. They deserved the win.

Another SuCkS fan posting on a UofL board.........

 

[zipp]

Great how these threads irritate LPT trolls. Appears that the ones based more in the truth irritate the most.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[Louisvillian]

Not sure what "great out these threads irritate LPT trolls" means. I will say I am not irritated at all. I tried to ask this question before, but apparently a quick triggered mod deleted it- If, as you say, UL is the premier program in the state-- why the focus on all things UK? It's a simple question- look at the threads started on this sight and you can clearly see that many people here are more focused on UK's perceived failures than UL's successes. Is it jealousy? Will a mod delete this post even though I have refrained from name calling? I predict yes on both.



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So if it the Cards fans who are eaten up with UK as you just implied, then why are you and many of your fellow UK fans constantly hanging out on Louisville's board and scanning our threads?

For the record there are 40 threads on our 1st page. 31 of them are about Louisville while 7 of them are about UK and 2 are about the upcoming rivalry game. Wow.

Been to the UK message boards twice in a year after A UofL-UK game. Who is eaten up with whom?

 

[UKortho]

Louisvillian,

I like to see what's going on to get a pulse on the UL program. I have a child at UK and I have paid tuition to UL and WKU in the past. I first looked over to see what you guys thought on the recruiting issue. Then I made a few posts that were deleted and subsequently was banned for seven days. At that point I wanted to see if a UK fan could engage in direct conversation with different viewpoints. Many of my posts were deleted; however, I have never called anyone on this site a name. I have not "made fun" of the possible recruiting issue. What I have done is countered positions with my viewpoints only to see the posts being deleted. While I understand my thoughts are not consistent with most here, I don't see why they are so egregious.

Yesterday, Zipp made a post that had charts, graphs, etc documenting UKs underachievement. Since the thread discussed UK I decided to counter. I said some can utilize charts, but I like to look up to the rafters to judge the success at UK. Post was deleted within minutes. I think both fan bases should engage with each other.



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[EasyCard]

Louisvillian,

I like to see what's going on to get a pulse on the UL program. I have a child at UK and I have paid tuition to UL and WKU in the past. I first looked over to see what you guys thought on the recruiting issue. Then I made a few posts that were deleted and subsequently was banned for seven days. At that point I wanted to see if a UK fan could engage in direct conversation with different viewpoints. Many of my posts were deleted; however, I have never called anyone on this site a name. I have not "made fun" of the possible recruiting issue. What I have done is countered positions with my viewpoints only to see the posts being deleted. While I understand my thoughts are not consistent with most here, I don't see why they are so egregious.

Yesterday, Zipp made a post that had charts, graphs, etc documenting UKs underachievement. Since the thread discussed UK I decided to counter. I said some can utilize charts, but I like to look up to the rafters to judge the success at UK. Post was deleted within minutes. I think both fan bases should engage with each other.



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Why don't you appeal to the UK site and ask them why they have banned UofL posters for over 10 years for nothing. A Louisville fan couldn't even register to post until the site redo a year ago. You have no claim of unequal access on this site compared with the UK rivals board.

 

[Steelers2012]

Louisvillian,

I like to see what's going on to get a pulse on the UL program. I have a child at UK and I have paid tuition to UL and WKU in the past. I first looked over to see what you guys thought on the recruiting issue. Then I made a few posts that were deleted and subsequently was banned for seven days. At that point I wanted to see if a UK fan could engage in direct conversation with different viewpoints. Many of my posts were deleted; however, I have never called anyone on this site a name. I have not "made fun" of the possible recruiting issue. What I have done is countered positions with my viewpoints only to see the posts being deleted. While I understand my thoughts are not consistent with most here, I don't see why they are so egregious.

Yesterday, Zipp made a post that had charts, graphs, etc documenting UKs underachievement. Since the thread discussed UK I decided to counter. I said some can utilize charts, but I like to look up to the rafters to judge the success at UK. Post was deleted within minutes. I think both fan bases should engage with each other.

I will tell you what I tell any visiting poster who contacts me about getting posts deleted or receives a timeout. You are perfectly welcome to discuss, debate, or defend your program here...but not badmouth our program or posters in the process. I think that's a pretty simple concept. Also, I ask that any poster (visitor or member) contact a mod privately (via the "start a conversation" option) with any board moderation questions or concerns. The open forum is not the place for that.

 

[UKortho]

Why don't you appeal to the UK site and ask them why they have banned UofL posters for over 10 years for nothing. A Louisville fan couldn't even register to post until the site redo a year ago. You have no claim of unequal access on this site compared with the UK rivals board.

Now I get it. Looking at your posts it seems you have a real issue when the SEC, UK, or "Mitchy" is brought up. I don't subscribe to the viewpoint that just because someone else does it it's okay, EasyCard. Some of the fans on the UK forum are obsessed with fighting and name calling. That doesn't mean everyone agrees with it.

 

[UKortho]

I will tell you what I tell any visiting poster who contacts me about getting posts deleted or receives a timeout. You are perfectly welcome to discuss, debate, or defend your program here...but not badmouth our program or posters in the process. I think that's a pretty simple concept. Also, I ask that any poster (visitor or member) contact a mod privately (via the "start a conversation" option) with any board moderation questions or concerns. The open forum is not the place for that.

Reasonable.

 

[Senore2006]

Back to the subject matter of the OP instead of our visit to the numerous Oh-so-well-known Rationalizations Of UK Fans. Sam Gilbert's role as a Sugar Daddy did not even emerge until UCLA had won 2-3 Titles in a row. As an older fan of Wooden's, I recall the breathtaking titles he won with a short, speedy, gritty guard and defensive-dominated pressing team, whose discipline and whose cool allowed them to make unchallenged shots out the butt, from anywhere. Those teams won without any player over 6' 5". The Goodrich/Hazzard teams were actually the successful version of Rupp's Runts. Following that, they got Alcindor and Walton and the rest is simply history. Gilbert's "role" actually was like half a hundred UK boosters.

What passes as Conventional Wisdom at UK is so often used in the context of trying to soften their own corrupt history. They see Gilbert as a Messiah for their rationalized absurdities.

 

[Sawyer]

Back to the subject matter of the OP instead of our visit to the numerous Oh-so-well-known Rationalizations Of UK Fans. Sam Gilbert's role as a Sugar Daddy did not even emerge until UCLA had won 2-3 Titles in a row. As an older fan of Wooden's, I recall the breathtaking titles he won with a short, speedy, gritty guard and defensive-dominated pressing team, whose discipline and whose cool allowed them to make unchallenged shots out the butt, from anywhere. Those teams won without any player over 6' 5". The Goodrich/Hazzard teams were actually the successful version of Rupp's Runts. Following that, they got Alcindor and Walton and the rest is simply history. Gilbert's "role" actually was like half a hundred UK boosters.

What passes as Conventional Wisdom at UK is so often used in the context of trying to soften their own corrupt history. They see Gilbert as a Messiah for their rationalized absurdities.

Great reply, thanks! You could not have worded that better.

 

[zipp]

IMO, LPT fans and mouthpieces need to stay away from discussions about what's behind their success in the distant past. If they get challenged, fine to bring up UCLA in their own defense. Ish went on then that doesn't or can't go on nowadays.

But LPT should be the last school to point their finger unprompted at shenanigans that went on anywhere else esp. in basketball. Some of their clan like Pratt can't handle that...

 

[Blueaz]

Why don't you appeal to the UK site and ask them why they have banned UofL posters for over 10 years for nothing. A Louisville fan couldn't even register to post until the site redo a year ago. You have no claim of unequal access on this site compared with the UK rivals board.

talk to senore he gets to post all the time

 

[HedleyLamarr]

Some poster on the Lair, a few weeks ago, warned us about Jawon Pass visiting Mississippi State. He said to be worried because MSU doesn't cheat fair. Kentucky basketball was worried about UCLA cheating fair, but then Kentucky basketball has always set the standard for that.

 

[JohnKBA]

Here is all you need to know about Wooden's reputation in the college basketball landscape.

I used to attend a lot of big sporting events (I didn't actually go to the games, but I was in town during the events for work.)

At the 2002 Final Four in Atlanta, I was in the lobby of the downtown Hilton early one evening. There were probably 500 people in there, lots of active coaches, assistants, assorted people from athletic departments, etc, all having a good time and it was very loud and chaotic. John Wooden walked in the front door, and the entire place went silent, stopped what they were doing, and applauded the man as he walked through the lobby to the elevator. It was one of the greater signs of respect I have seen for an individual in my life. Senore's post above is accurate. Sure, Gilbert took care of guys once they got to campus, but UCLA wasn't paying guys to come there. They deserve every accolade they earned during that great run in the 60s and 70s. And that's coming from a UK fan.

 

[zipp]

Best to just credit your adversaries and move on...

 

[Senore2006]

Best to just credit your adversaries and move on...

Giving due credit has always been one of the greatest attractions to me regarding Louisville fans and their respect for the sport. In general, as much as we complain when losing, we still had the wherewithal and respect enough to stand and clap for the UConn team and coach who first visited here in 2006. Dwayne Wade, Kemba Walker, Hansborough, going back to Sampson, Olijawan & Clyde, Louisville fans stood and appreciated what they did on the court. It is one of the primary reasons I like this fan base.