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[TheRealVille]

I know some here will be annoyed by me talking about the rankings again, but it just continues to amaze me how this Louisville team is disrespected by the voters.

At anytime in the last 40 years or so if Louisville was 18 and 6 and 11 and 2 in conference play, they would be in the top 25. Then add the schedule strength in the top 15 and the amount of double figure wins plus doing this despite major injuries, you have to wonder what the hell is the deal?

Louisville is receiving votes that puts them at 29. That is total bullshit.

It took forever to get ranked and then after the loss to GT who I remind beat Clemson on the road their next game, the Cards apparently have to prove more than others that they are worthy of being a top 25 ranked team.

I know the AP poll doesn't mean anything when it comes to forecasting Louisville's post season chances, so there's no need for retorts to that affect. I'm just legitimately asking why the reluctance of voters when it comes to this Louisville team?

The Cards should be a huge story, with the media praising the turnaround and the excellent coaching that led to it. Instead, Louisville is behind three other teams just out of the top 25.

 

[PushupMan]

NET = 28.

We’re right on the cusp, right where we should be.

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[beantowncard]

It doesn’t bother me to fly under the radar a bit. think, especially if Chucky comes back and is himself, that we could make a run in the ACC tournament and maybe earn a 6 or 7 seed. Depending on how the brackets shake out, the sweet 16 is not impossible.

 

[glassmanJ]

we lost to an unranked, .500 team when we were ranked 23rd i believe. and we've not beaten anyone good to change anyone's minds. simply, don;t pull a CJB and lose the the teams you should crush and it would not be an issue. but we choked.

 

[TheRealVille]

NET = 28.

We’re right on the cusp, right where we should be.

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Just don't agree. A 16 and 7 Kansas is ranked #17. They could lose twice this week and would probably still be ranked.

Louisville is not where they should be. It's not about flying under the radar, it's about no respect for what Louisville has accomplished, for whatever reason.

I don't like it but I respect others opinions. Louisville should be around #20. They are one game out of first place behind Duke but that apparently means nothing.

Louisville has won 12 out of their past 13 games. It's just ridiculous.

 

[TheRealVille]

we lost to an unranked, .500 team when we were ranked 23rd i believe. and we've not beaten anyone good to change anyone's minds. simply, don;t pull a CJB and lose the the teams you should crush and it would not be an issue. but we choked.

An unranked Clemson lost at home to that unranked team days later but now they're ranked after beating Duke. Louisville beat Clemson by some 14 points I believe, so doesn't that mean anything?

I have no problem with Clemson being ranked, but that should mean Louisville should also be ranked.

It shouldn't be that difficult to understand. The voters don't want to include Louisville in their polls and always look for a reason not to.

Again, the numbers don't lie. If in October, you were told Louisville would be 18 and 6 with a top 15 strength of schedule and a 10 game winning streak, mostly against ACC teams, would you expect the Cards to be in the top 25?

How about any other major conference team?

 

[BooneCo_Card]

An unranked Clemson lost at home to that unranked team days later but now they're ranked after beating Duke. Louisville beat Clemson by some 14 points I believe, so doesn't that mean anything?

I have no problem with Clemson being ranked, but that should mean Louisville should also be ranked.

It shouldn't be that difficult to understand. The voters don't want to include Louisville in their polls and always look for a reason not to.

Again, the numbers don't lie. If in October, you were told Louisville would be 18 and 6 with a top 15 strength of schedule and a 10 game winning streak, mostly against ACC teams, would you expect the Cards to be in the top 25?

How about any other major conference team?

It's all optics. Clemson's win over Duke got the most attention while we are navigating through injuries. Based on the mudhole they stomped in the Heels tonight, look for both Clemson and the Cards to be 'surprise' teams in the NCAAT.

Not worried about seeding or where we play, just who we play next.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I think we should be ranked in the top 25 but it doesn’t bother me. Not being ranked means you are still going to be overlooked even though we are beating everybody by double digits.

 

[2330859]

The loss to GT was disappointing, but at that time, GT was playing exceptionally well and anyone who watches college MBB recognize that most any team right now can upset another team under the right conditions. #1 Auburn losing rather convincingly at home to a very good UF team is another example of what can happen on any given game.

 

[nccardfan]

I know some here will be annoyed by me talking about the rankings again, but it just continues to amaze me how this Louisville team is disrespected by the voters.

At anytime in the last 40 years or so if Louisville was 18 and 6 and 11 and 2 in conference play, they would be in the top 25. Then add the schedule strength in the top 15 and the amount of double figure wins plus doing this despite major injuries, you have to wonder what the hell is the deal?

Louisville is receiving votes that puts them at 29. That is total bullshit.

It took forever to get ranked and then after the loss to GT who I remind beat Clemson on the road their next game, the Cards apparently have to prove more than others that they are worthy of being a top 25 ranked team.

I know the AP poll doesn't mean anything when it comes to forecasting Louisville's post season chances, so there's no need for retorts to that affect. I'm just legitimately asking why the reluctance of voters when it comes to this Louisville team?

The Cards should be a huge story, with the media praising the turnaround and the excellent coaching that led to it. Instead, Louisville is behind three other teams just out of the top 25.

Yes, I am. How is being disrespected when our NET is 28. How is being disrespected when in the last 10 years, this is probably the weakest overall ACC league. How do you jump 7 or 8 teams in front of you when none of them lost and you lost to a weak GT team. Clemson did, but they beat the #2 team in the AP poll. How do you get a lot of credit for beating the last place Miami team even without your best player. If you remember Miami got within 3 points of us in the 2nd half. Voters are not supposed to look at injuries but how do they overlook the possibility that we may not have our best player for a while.

Aren't you also the poster that started posting that we were going to lose in the middle of the game and started asking what ifs. Next time why don't you just wait until the game is actually over.

 

[KozmasAgain]

If we were winning close games I would see your point. We are winning by double digits beating weaker teams the way a good team is supposed to.

 

[TheRealVille]

Yes, I am. How is being disrespected when our NET is 28. How is being disrespected when in the last 10 years, this is probably the weakest overall ACC league. How do you jump 7 or 8 teams in front of you when none of them lost and you lost to a weak GT team. Clemson did, but they beat the #2 team in the AP poll. How do you get a lot of credit for beating the last place Miami team even without your best player. If you remember Miami got within 3 points of us in the 2nd half. Voters are not supposed to look at injuries but how do they overlook the possibility that we may not have our best player for a while.

Aren't you also the poster that started posting that we were going to lose in the middle of the game and started asking what ifs. Next time why don't you just wait until the game is actually over.

I've been pretty clear that it's the AP voters who are disrespecting Louisville, not the computer polls, some that have Louisville in the top 15.

This disrespect also has been ongoing not just lately. The GT loss is the only Cards loss since December and normally that wouldn't keep a team from being ranked in February. I don't know any other reason than a lack of respect and that pisses me off. If it doesn't for you, that's fine.

This is a message board and the purpose is to discuss Louisville sports, and it's pretty evident you don't like my opinions or my conclusions, so why don't you just use the ignore button? You like telling others what to do, I will do the same.

 

[bigloucards]

How do you jump 7 or 8 teams in front of you when none of them lost and you lost to a weak GT team? Clemson did, but they beat the #2 team in the AP poll.

This is the first reason I thought as far as rankings go.
To me I see #20-30 as interchangeable depending on if they took an L or not.
This past week we didn’t get it done @GT

 

[nccardfan]

I've been pretty clear that it's the AP voters who are disrespecting Louisville, not the computer polls, some that have Louisville in the top 15.

This disrespect also has been ongoing not just lately. The GT loss is the only Cards loss since December and normally that wouldn't keep a team from being ranked in February. I don't know any other reason than a lack of respect and that pisses me off. If it doesn't for you, that's fine.

This is a message board and the purpose is to discuss Louisville sports, and it's pretty evident you don't like my opinions or my conclusions, so why don't you just use the ignore button? You like telling others what to do, I will do the same.

This is a message board to discuss U of L basketball.

You started the thread with U of L not ranked. That is an open invitation to express my opinions on why U of L is not ranked. You have your opinions and I have mine. Obviously you are certainly entitled to post them as I do without being disrespectful. It's not that I don't like your conclusions, its that I do disagree with them and so I should be able to express my opinions about why I disagree with them. If you noticed, I did agree with a post of yours in the women's basketball thread. You are also welcome to let me know where you think I'm wrong about something. I just don't think this team is being disrespected and you really haven't provided much evidence to prove it. So again, there are no teams remaining on our schedule to move the needle so blaming the AP voters is pointless. Several posters have expressed their opinions on why Louisville is ranked where we are. That's fine except you beat that drum every game every message.

By the way, you disrespected our own team by predicting they were going to lose in the middle of a game...

 

[PushupMan]

Lunardi has us as a 7-seed, which translates to somewhere between 25-28.

If we’re being disrespected, it’s pretty much a mass conspiracy….

 

[TheRealVille]

Lunardi has us as a 7-seed, which translates to somewhere between 25-28.

If we’re being disrespected, it’s pretty much a mass conspiracy….

What about Jay Bilas? You guys respect him? He was calling a game and the ACC being down came up and the other guy said there's probably only going to be 4 ACC teams to make the dance and with 18 teams, there's only two that are ranked in the AP poll.

Bilas agreed the ACC was way down but asked isn't there 3 ranked teams and when told Louisville wasn't, he said that was ridiculous and that's due to something all together different.

Mark Packer has lamented several times how ridiculous it was that Louisville was ranked in the AP or coaches poll. I'm sure I could find many others, but what I do find is Louisville fans actually agreeing that Louisville shouldn't be in the AP top 25. That simply boggles the mind and I just don't get it.

But hey, to each their own.

 

[PushupMan]

What about Jay Bilas? You guys respect him? He was calling a game and the ACC being down came up and the other guy said there's probably only going to be 4 ACC teams to make the dance and with 18 teams, there's only two that are ranked in the AP poll.

Bilas agreed the ACC was way down but asked isn't there 3 ranked teams and when told Louisville wasn't, he said that was ridiculous and that's due to something all together different.

Mark Packer has lamented several times how ridiculous it was that Louisville was ranked in the AP or coaches poll. I'm sure I could find many others, but what I do find is Louisville fans actually agreeing that Louisville shouldn't be in the AP top 25. That simply boggles the mind and I just don't get it.

But hey, to each their own.

Jay seems like a good guy, and I typically like his takes. He’s entertaining. If he’s an AP poll voter, he’s apparently in the minority.

As I said before, the Cards are on the cusp. Maryland, Creighton, Ole Miss and Marquette all have our very same record. UK, Kansas, Arizona, Missouri, and Mississippi State all have similar but slightly worse (one fewer win or one more loss than us).

Clemson likely gets the benefit of the doubt because of their elite eight run last year, plus their big win over Duke, and having one fewer loss than us overall. They played us on the road, so that’s a reason why voters might discount a double digit loss to us.

Just a whole lot more worried about beating NC State and Notre Dame on the road this week. Some of those 10 teams I just mentioned will lose this week, and if we can win those two games, we will be back in the top 25.

 

[TheRealVille]

Jay seems like a good guy, and I typically like his takes. He’s entertaining. If he’s an AP poll voter, he’s apparently in the minority.

As I said before, the Cards are on the cusp. Maryland, Creighton, Ole Miss and Marquette all have our very same record. UK, Kansas, Arizona, Missouri, and Mississippi State all have similar but slightly worse (one fewer win or one more loss than us).

Clemson likely gets the benefit of the doubt because of their elite eight run last year, plus their big win over Duke, and having one fewer loss than us overall. They played us on the road, so that’s a reason why voters might discount a double digit loss to us.

Just a whole lot more worried about beating NC State and Notre Dame on the road this week. Some of those 10 teams I just mentioned will lose this week, and if we can win those two games, we will be back in the top 25.

Again, it's not so much that I'm worrying about it, but more of being annoyed by the continued disrespect for the Louisville program. I'm convinced the lack of votes is from those who still want to exclude Louisville because of the last three years.

The AP poll is meaningless as a factor on what teams will be in the NCAA tournament. However, the season is long and the AP poll is a measuring stick of the teams and their accomplishments and failures. It's like a grade and we fans all agree it's better to have that number next to your name during the regular season.

Does anyone here believe the Louisville players or coaches think they should be in the top 25? After all their hard work and perseverance, do they believe they have earned it? I would think the Cards fans would, but apparently that's not the case with some.

We all know the goal is March and that's what really matters, but call me old school if you will, but receiving warranted accolades during the regular season is important for both the team and the fans.

We're all stoked to see Louisville basketball back where it belongs and we're all surprised at how fast that is happening. I just would like to see that reflected by the so called experts who make up the AP and the coaches polls.

I say once again, look at the numbers currently for this Louisville team and admit that normally any team with the same would be in the top 25, even if it's just being awarded for overachieving in leaps and bounds.

Instead, other teams with more losses including to multiple bad teams are still ranked. Too many of these voters just doubt Louisville is worthy and although that is their right, they are wrong.

 

[PushupMan]

Per the NCAA stats, there are 36 teams with higher winning percentages than us currently.

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Seems to me that we are getting at least some respect by the AP voters, who as you have said, currently have us 29th.

I happen to think that, with the level of experience we have on this team that we probably are better than what both our winning percentage and our poll rankings currently have us. I am just perfectly content with us proving that in the NCAA tournament.

I’d have to turn this around on you, and have you tell me why we deserve to be ranked higher than we are? It cannot be because the ACC is so tough. It cannot be because of our early season resume where we went 0-4 against the 5th, 6th, 10th and 13th best teams in the SEC. Don’t try to use the excuse that we wouldn’t have lost to Oklahoma if we had not lost Pryor in that game - poll voters don’t track that level of minutiae for the 50ish teams they are considering for a spot in their poll.

Pat Kelsey’s doing a great job, but until he actually wins a game in the NCAA tournament, nobody’s going to treat his teams with the respect that a Rick Pitino or Denny Crum coached team would be getting at this point. He’s going to get lumped in with all of the 43 other teams with 18-6 or better records, and a few voters have recognized what he’s done - and what the Louisville brand is - and voted us 29th.