Boeheim- No Reason To Ever Play ACC Tourney In Greensboro

[shadow force]

BROOKLYN, N.Y. -- Suffice it to say Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim is not a big fan of Greensboro, North Carolina, the traditional site of the ACC tournament.

Given a soft-toss question after his team's loss to Miami about playing in his home state of New York, Boeheim instead used the opportunity to riff on why the league should not play its future tourneys in Greensboro -- as in ever.

"There's no reason to play in Greensboro,'' he said Wednesday. "The only reason they play there is because the league offices are there, it's always been there and there are like 150 people who like to have meetings. It should not be there.''

Boeheim -- whose team used to participate in the Big East tournament at Madison Square Garden -- argued that the value of playing in bigger markets is far greater than keeping up with the same old, same old.

"The media centers, the recruiting centers are Atlanta, Washington, D.C., and New York,'' he said. "How many good players are in Greensboro? New York made the Big East.''

The city of Greensboro, replying to a tweet about Boeheim's comments, took a pointed, yet lighthearted approach, tweeting that Syracuse "can lose in the first round anywhere."

 

[vivid_red]

I agree 100% with Boeheim, he forgot to mention it's like a home game for the Carolina schools

 

[yum center]

I hope someday they bring the ACC Tournament to the Yum Center.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I really don't care where it is I am just glad we are in it.

 

[American Male]

Greensboro and Charlotte are the Tobacco Road Invitationals...ALWAYS Has Been...ALWAYS WILL Be!!!

 

[zipp]

Should be moved around to be fair. Charlotte if it's in Carolina. Atlanta/Orlando if they want the deep South. Indy if they want this part of the conference footprint. And obviously New York or DC...

 

[KerryRhodes]

Agree 1000%

 

[Rollem Cards]

If I were NC I would not extend an invitation to any ACC tournament(s). And if possible, I'd be making life miserable for the ACC office too. But that's just me.

Yeah, I'd cut off my nose to spite my face. But actions have reactions. Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

If the ACC couldn't, with a clear conscience, play in NC this year, why would they ever? And why would they keep their Office in such a "backward" state?

As far as the game part goes, it should be a "neutral" site every year. New York is fine with me.

 

[gocds]

If I were NC I would not extend an invitation to any ACC tournament(s). And if possible, I'd be making life miserable for the ACC office too. But that's just me.

Yeah, I'd cut off my nose to spite my face. But actions have reactions. Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

If the ACC couldn't, with a clear conscience, play in NC this year, why would they ever? And why would they keep their Office in such a "backward" state?

As far as the game part goes, it should be a "neutral" site every year. New York is fine with me.

Obviously the state of North Carolina brought all of this on themselves. Regardless of how any of us feel about the legislation that caused all of this uproar the organizations that control the locations of these athletic events, the ACC/NCAA and others, will move their events to locations that haven't reacted to those issues. And, guess what, it will benefit UofL fans and our city at the end of May when the ACC baseball tournament comes to town. In a sense Slugger Field is a "neutral" site since it isn't the home field for UofL. I would be for neutral site selections each and every year. I'm beginning to wonder if the ACC will consider moving their offices out of the state of North Carolina.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[Rollem Cards]

Obviously the state of North Carolina brought all of this on themselves. Regardless of how any of us feel about the legislation that caused all of this uproar the organizations that control the locations of these athletic events, the ACC/NCAA and others, will move their events to locations that haven't reacted to those issues. And, guess what, it will benefit UofL fans and our city at the end of May when the ACC baseball tournament comes to town. In a sense Slugger Field is a "neutral" site since it isn't the home field for UofL. I would be for neutral site selections each and every year. I'm beginning to wonder if the ACC will consider moving their offices out of the state of North Carolina.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

You'll be glad to know I'm not running the show here because I would tell the ACC "no thanks".

If there's nowhere to run these outfits will have to make an actual stand ( vs lip service and faux indignation) or fold up.

Then we will find out if they're serious or just pandering.

This is just me and I'm done because I don't want this thread shut down or hijacked.

Back on topic. I agree with Boeheim (sp?)

 

[Morgantown Card]

Jim B is hilarious. I wish he had taken it a step further and said it's not good for his players to have to breathe in cow shit while in transit from the Super 8 Motel to the Greensboro Arena. But man that Bob Evans sure can serve up a good breakfast!

Too bad Syracuse lost yesterday, I always root for the old school Big East teams in the ACC.

 

[KerryRhodes]

Its not about the law.

What Boheim said was true. Its a big time tournament, it belongs in a big city.
Charlotte would be fine.
Yes, the Greensboro coliseum is larger, yet it shouldnt be played in Mayberry.

 

[ThroughBlue]

We all know there are only two reasons why the tournament would be played in Greensboro and they are 8 miles apart.

 

[CardChipper]

It should be in New York in the Garden. It is the greatest city on earth-the greatest conference should have the greatest tournament there.

 

[Morgantown Card]

Big Ten - at MSG next year
ACC - at Barclays Center
Big East - at MSG next year

Soon we'll hear that the Pac12 is playing their tournament at one of these NY venues.

 

[Cue Card]

Big Ten - at MSG next year
ACC - at Barclays Center
Big East - at MSG next year

Soon we'll hear that the Pac12 is playing their tournament at one of these NY venues.

LOL. That would actually be a bit funny IMO. Have all the west coast teams travel 2000 to 3000 miles to play the conference tourney.

The best venue is Madison Square Garden based on tradition. Most all of us at one time or another dreamed of playing in that arena as we were growing up. The arena is iconic.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I wish the ACC and the NCAA would take a page from the Olympics and try too keep politics out of it.

 

[Mayoman]

Big Ten - at MSG next year
ACC - at Barclays Center
Big East - at MSG next year

Soon we'll hear that the Pac12 is playing their tournament at one of these NY venues.

Dayum....that would be awesome! Always wanted to see UCLA play in person. Best post of the year!

 

[CommodoreCard]

The old school ACC folk need to realize that this isn't their Granddaddy's ACC anymore. The ACC pushed expansion. They need to live with the consequences of that expansion. Namely Carolina fans. This isn't the SEC, where only one fanbase shows up for the conference tournament.

 

[83UofLCards83]

Agree with Boeheim, I have no problem with it being in Charlotte as that's a growing major city in the south with a good airport. Greensboro, sorry I know it's tradition, but some traditions need to be allowed to die out. Greensboro is only convenient for the NC schools, no real good close airport to fly into and the place is an incredibly boring city to host the ACC Men's Basketball Tournament.

I have no problem with the ACC Women's Basketball Tournament being in Greensboro, or other ACC championships such as baseball, softball, etc. But the ACC Men's Basketball Tournament needs to be in a big city. Personally I'd like to see a rotation of about 6 cities: NYC, DC, Atlanta, Charlotte, Orlando and Indianapolis. I would also be okay with a 3 city rotation of NYC (close t, DC and Atlanta This would let all the ACC teams have a tournament once every six years that is very close and helps grow the ACC brand.

If six is too many I would also be okay with a three city rotation of NYC (close to Syracuse, Pitt and BC), DC (close to UVA, VT, UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State and Pitt) and Atlanta (close to GT, Clemson, UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State and FSU), keeping it in major cities. With a three city rotation the tournament would never be close to us, ND or Miami but that would be okay.

 

[Morgantown Card]

Greensboro, sorry I know it's tradition, but some traditions need to be allowed to die out. Greensboro is only convenient for the NC schools, no real good close airport to fly into and the place is an incredibly boring city to host the ACC Men's Basketball Tournament.

Well, they do have a WalMart, a Bob Evans, a Super 8 Motel, and a Mac-Donald's.

 

[94tarheel]

Best response:

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2017/3/9/14866784/greensboro-vs-new-york-acc-tournament-boeheim

 

[FloridaCard]

I wish the ACC and the NCAA would take a page from the Olympics and try too keep politics out of it.

 

[FloridaCard]

Huh? What is more political than the Olympics!

Go Cards. Beat the dukies!

 

[Morgantown Card]

Best response:

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2017/3/9/14866784/greensboro-vs-new-york-acc-tournament-boeheim

Nobody cares.

 

[KozmasAgain]

Let me rephrase my earlier post I wish the ACC and the NCAA would stay as non political as the Olympians are told to be.

 

[American Male]

Perverts and Weird O's NEED to stay out of the Girls/Women's Bathroom!!!

 

[NENCHeel]

Perverts and Weird O's NEED to stay out of the Girls/Women's Bathroom!!!

Did you HAVE to bring Trump into this?

 

[nccardfan]

Did you HAVE to bring Trump into this?

Don't you mean McCrory?

 

[American Male]

Did you HAVE to bring Trump into this?

Trump's NOT a DUMB@$$ Social Liberal...Besides, someone else borough up the reason the ACC Touring was not in NC...Because of the bathroom bill!!!

 

[nccardfan]

Trump's NOT a DUMB@$$ Social Liberal...Besides, someone else borough up the reason the ACC Touring was not in NC...Because of the bathroom bill!!!

But the guy who introduced H2B (McCrory) is a Republican.

 

[American Male]

But the guy who introduced H2B (McCrory) is a Republican.

Soooooooooooooo....

 

[83UofLCards83]

="94tarheel, post: 381334, member: 4908"]Best response:

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2017/3/9/14866784/greensboro-vs-new-york-acc-tournament-boeheim

What I essentially get from this article is the argument "that's how it's always been and we Carolina schools feel entitled to have the tournament in our backyard." Newsflash to you 94tarheel, the ACC has changed, it's no longer the Carolina schools, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Maryland and Florida State. NYC is as much "ACC country" now as Greensboro is.

If you all didn't like it you shouldn't have expanded, though then the ACC would be on the outside looking in in terms of college football as we would've gone to the Big 12 along with Florida State, Miami and Clemson. Nevermind the fact ND would've just joined the Big 10. You all come off as wanting to have your cake and eat it too, you wanted the benefits of the expansion of the ACC in football but want to keep the good ole boy network going in basketball. Long term you aren't going to be able to have it both ways.

Here's a few quotes I would like to point out from the article:

Maybe because it’s an easily accessible (and reasonably priced) location for fans who aren’t wealthy?

Easily accessible to who? The NC schools? This shows the NC arrogance more than anything, please tell me 94tarheel how many flights go into Greensboro daily? I guarantee you the few flights that do are very expensive. So for fans of UofL, ND, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, FSU, Miami and GT it's either a significant drive, a very expensive flight to Greensboro or a flight to Charlotte or Raleigh, both of which are over an hour drive away and having to get a rental car. Not exactly as cheap as the author wants to portray it.

I agree that NYC is very expensive, but Greensboro is not cheap for a lot of the fan bases. Atlanta, DC and Charlotte are a lot cheaper to fly into and in those places you don't have to worry about a rental car.

First, since the Madison Garden-centric Big East was never as strong or as consistent a winner as the Greensboro-centric ACC, I don’t give his last statement much weight. Yeah, Madison Square Garden made the Big East Conference what it was – the second best conference in college basketball -- never quite as good as the ACC.

Not related to the article and maybe it's because we haven't been in the ACC that long, but this is NC arrogance as well. There were several years where the Big East was the premier conference in college basketball. Sure the ACC is the best now but the Big East from 2005 - 2013 was ridiculous and every bit as tough as the ACC is now. And again in many of those years was the best conference.

What the hell does the ACC add by going to New York?

I would like to ask the author and 94tarheel the same thing about Greensboro. What does the ACC add by going to Greensboro? How does the ACC as a whole (not just the NC schools) benefit from having the tournament in Greensboro?

ACC basketball built its identity – its NATIONAL identity – on Tobacco Road.

That was the old ACC, the ACC which was the NC schools, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Maryland and Florida State. Again that ACC is gone, that was the sacrifice you all had to make to stay relevant in college football. NC is no longer the heart of the ACC, there are many other schools to consider.

 

[83UofLCards83]

Again to 94tarheel, other NC and Duke fans on here and the author of the article, you are only thinking about it from your perspective.

I completely get why you all want the ACC Tournament in Greensboro or Charlotte. For many of you, if your team plays during the day you can be home for dinner. If your team plays during the evening you can easily go after work. You barely have to take any vacation days and you don't have to worry about spending the night in a hotel. It's like us when we played conference tournaments here in Louisville and up the road in Cincinnati, it was great because you could attend and basically spend very little money.

Here's the thing though, look at it from our perspective. Having it in Greensboro or Charlotte every year means that when we play one of the NC schools, especially UNC and Duke, it's essentially a home game for you all. For us to attend a tournament in Greensboro or Charlotte we are either going to have a drive a long way or fly in and then get a rental car and get a hotel room. So while Greensboro or Charlotte is cheap for you all, it's not cheap for us. And again, specifically with Greensboro, you all can go to the game and then go home. We are stuck spending the night in Greensboro? What exactly is there to do in Greensboro when the tournament is not going on? Please tell us all these great experiences in Greensboro that you all see but we don't. I'm very interested to hear about them.

I'm actually not opposed to the ACC Tournament going back to NC, but as part of a rotation, not every year. As I said in a previous post I would love to see a 6 city rotation for the ACC Tournament, including NYC, DC, Indy, Charlotte, Atlanta and Orlando/Tampa. That way every school in the ACC at least once every 6 years is guaranteed to have an ACC Tournament close by for its fanbase. This would allow the working class fans of each school (not just the NC schools) to attend an ACC Tournament every 6 years.

But I do agree with Boeheim in one sense, while they don't need to be huge media markets they need to be major cities with major airports for fans to get reasonable flights. That's why I have no problem with Charlotte. But Greensboro does not fit that description and therefore the days of them hosting the ACC Tournament should be in the past.

 

[zipp]

We all know there are only two reasons why the tournament would be played in Greensboro and they are 8 miles apart.

And why is the SEC basketball tournament fifty miles south of Kentucky?

"Elite program," my a$$...

 

[zipp]

I'm sensitive to the travel and cost issue WRT Greensboro (low) and NYC (hi). It's why I will never see a tourney at MSG in all likelihood.

Tourneys in Atlanta, Indy, Orlando, etc. would not be expensive to attend and easy to reach by car. But there's no longer ONE good location that meets all needs...

 

[BPGhost]

Perverts and Weird O's NEED to stay out of the Girls/Women's Bathroom!!!

Nailed it! Keep "them perverts" in the Little Boys bathroom.

Much as I hate to interrupt a good rant, exponentially more sexual abuse of underage girls comes at the hands of their 'straight' athletics coaches than from the "Weird Os" that you reference.

 

[Mayoman]

Nailed it! Keep "them perverts" in the Little Boys bathroom.

Much as I hate to interrupt a good rant, exponentially more sexual abuse of underage girls comes at the hands of their 'straight' athletics coaches than from the "Weird Os" that you reference.

With all due respect, that is a pretty strong assertion.......do you have a link with statistics to support that? Just curious. You introduce this like it is a fact and not your biased deduction.

 

[BPGhost]

With all due respect, that is a pretty strong assertion.......do you have a link with statistics to support that? Just curious. You introduce this like it is a fact and not your biased deduction.

http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpts/excerpts/SexualAbuseinSport-excerpt

"Results indicated that of 370 elite (national) and club (regional) athletes surveyed, 31 percent of female athletes and 21 percent of male athletes reported having experienced sexual abuse before the age of 18."

Let me know if you can find some credible source that shows statistics higher numbers of abuse of children by transgendered people using a women's rest room.

Btw- I'm not trying to change this thread - I just found the post that I replied to - grossly uninformed.

 

[Cue Card]

http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpts/excerpts/SexualAbuseinSport-excerpt

"Results indicated that of 370 elite (national) and club (regional) athletes surveyed, 31 percent of female athletes and 21 percent of male athletes reported having experienced sexual abuse before the age of 18."

Let me know if you can find some credible source that shows statistics higher numbers of abuse of children by transgendered people using a women's rest room.

Btw- I'm not trying to change this thread - I just found the post that I replied to - grossly uninformed.

You forgot some important information from that link which was very informative

The sport-related abuse was largely perpetrated by those in positions of authority or trust in relation to the athletes—primarily coaches and less frequently support staff and other athletes. The vast majority (more than 96 percent) of perpetrators were men.

That is chilling.

I honestly feel the bathroom bill itself is a non-issue that was sensationalized by the media. The transgender people were already using the bathrooms. They're human beings, so I know they had to go at some time. I never noticed.