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A program Turning Point

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I used to say that Louisville became a modern football program Breeder's Cup Day 2000 when they beat Southern Miss in Hattiesburg, MS against a team that was #13. Much like Clemson they spent their games against us with combinations of heartbreak and curb stomping--Mills Kills, Favre with his Hail Mary in 1989 and really little else but blowouts in between. Only an Ice Bowl win in Cardinal Stadium in 1980 to show for ourselves. Saturday night was for us like the lifting of the Curse of the Bambino or the Curse of the Billy Goat. Clemson was the last Dragon that we had to slay in the ACC and to do it at Clemson--and at night--put that to the sword:

1. The only other parallel I will draw to that game was the blocking scheme was virtually identical to Art Valero's cutblocking masterpiece which constructed in part because USM had a nasty defensive line and we had a very small wide receiving unit with Zek Parker, Deion Branch and Arnold Jackson. It was to get the ball to them unimpeded as quickly as Ragone could get it out. It serves to get the hands down of the defensive line and Clemson clearly wasn't prepared for it and really, why would they be? We hadn't shown that all year but I am going to tip my hat a little to Jeff Brohm...he was bird dogging on the Offensive line status. That is the same five man starting unit we had in BC with Mills going to RT and Brown at RG over Collins. Austin Collins did play against Clemson. I don't think Mendoza did and Sylvester had some quality blocks in tandem with Gonzalez on the left side. Nygra landed a killer block to spring Brown for his dagger.

Second straight game without a sack. Some fantastic downfield blocking whether legal or not (the issue was Ahmari Huggins block on Duke Watson's screen--already fifteen yards downfield). For offensive line sickos I'm sure like Dave Scull a Renoir on display down in Death Valley.

2. It was subtle probably to people who haven't watched Louisville passingly, but the offensive tempo was different. Frankly it's the tempo I thought we'd see from Clemson who baffled everybody with a Monday Morning QB jersey on--and the ESPN crew Wischusen and Lewis Riddick--with the complete lack of urgency to the final whistle. Heck they ran out the clock in the first half down ten knowing Louisville was getting the ball back to start the 2nd half in a preview of coming attractions. Did their scouting report say "Slow the tempo down in the complete opposite way SMU and Miami sped it up"...yeah, that level of genius really caught us.

3. A complete, all systems football game. If it weren't for Deangelo Hutchinson's unnecessary block in the back we'd have added a punt return for a score by Brooks to the Tab of Decimation that was the special teams difference. Kudos to Travelsted for shaking off his first quarter miss and maintaining momentum with his conversions. Kudos to the kick coverage unit who I'm reasonably certain didn't allow a return to the 20.

4. Tackling was substantially better. Coverage from all phases--clearly on point. You don't get 9 PBUs without preparation, anticipation and great closeouts. It seemed like Clemson was in 3rd and 2 twenty times Saturday night, and a subsequent 4th and 1 7 or 8 (they were 5/6 on 4th down, but that one missed conversion was the one that sent them to the exits). When they did convert 3rd and 2 it seemed like Mafah met a wall at the sticks and barely converted.

...and I wanted to single something else out; not only was tackling better, in some cases it was punishing. There was a tackle Clark had on Wesco on a short conversion that I was surprised he stayed on the field and I think he did in part due to thinning numbers from their WR unit. The hit on Mafah on 4th and 1 had MJ and Ramon Puryear meeting him a yard deep in the backfield high and low and Thor leaked through his gap late (as did Gillotte). There aren't many things I love more than a 4th down or a Goal Line Stand where it's just hat-on-hat and you have somebody beating a gap. It was perfect.

5. And I don't want to lose sight of something else. While Isaac Brown is just flatout different, I don't lose any confidence when Duke Watson is in the game. Two freshmen, two very different running styles but both are punishing in their own way despite neither being 190. Pump some Duke Watson on that slip screen into my veins all day.
 
Saturday didn't surprise me in a significant way because this is Jeff's pedigree. He's proven he can coach up a team to win a big game. It's happened regularly.

Where he's surprised me a little is that he's not losing to teams here that we were supposed to beat. We're riding the edge some games like the prior week's (BC). SMU looked like one of those games, buy they've proven they're a good team.

That's a good combination and should inspire some level of optimism. I'm not reading too much into one game when it's the best we've played this year...
 
Saturday didn't surprise me in a significant way because this is Jeff's pedigree. He's proven he can coach up a team to win a big game. It's happened regularly.

Where he's surprised me a little is that he's not losing to teams here that we were supposed to beat. We're riding the edge some games like the prior week's (BC). SMU looked like one of those games, buy they've proven they're a good team.

That's a good combination and should inspire some level of optimism. I'm not reading too much into one game when it's the best we've played this year...
In that light, I am like a lot of people in thinking that we really hadn't strung together two good halves of football this year and a big part of that was we have spent the bulk of the second quarter of games trying to overcome first quarter deficits which is the polar opposite of last year and it hasn't really mattered who we were playing. The script seemed to look the same every game prior to Saturday night.
 
I'm not reading too much into one game when it's the best we've played this year...
I see it a little differently. I see a team that is growing up,growing together since game one. Trying to work in new faces from the portal and youngsters sometimes takes a minute. I agree about coaching teams up for these huge games,historically he's been good at. In the new age of continuous personnel turnover,it's more about getting them to buy in and execute as a group.

Sometimes that takes a few games,losses that easily could've gone our way(and there are a myriad of reasons for the losses).

What I saw Saturday is things finally coming together to overcome adversity. We won't know until the next one if it holds,but I doubt future opponents are looking forward to seeing these Cards.
 
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I used to say that Louisville became a modern football program Breeder's Cup Day 2000 when they beat Southern Miss in Hattiesburg, MS against a team that was #13. Much like Clemson they spent their games against us with combinations of heartbreak and curb stomping--Mills Kills, Favre with his Hail Mary in 1989 and really little else but blowouts in between. Only an Ice Bowl win in Cardinal Stadium in 1980 to show for ourselves. Saturday night was for us like the lifting of the Curse of the Bambino or the Curse of the Billy Goat. Clemson was the last Dragon that we had to slay in the ACC and to do it at Clemson--and at night--put that to the sword:

1. The only other parallel I will draw to that game was the blocking scheme was virtually identical to Art Valero's cutblocking masterpiece which constructed in part because USM had a nasty defensive line and we had a very small wide receiving unit with Zek Parker, Deion Branch and Arnold Jackson. It was to get the ball to them unimpeded as quickly as Ragone could get it out. It serves to get the hands down of the defensive line and Clemson clearly wasn't prepared for it and really, why would they be? We hadn't shown that all year but I am going to tip my hat a little to Jeff Brohm...he was bird dogging on the Offensive line status. That is the same five man starting unit we had in BC with Mills going to RT and Brown at RG over Collins. Austin Collins did play against Clemson. I don't think Mendoza did and Sylvester had some quality blocks in tandem with Gonzalez on the left side. Nygra landed a killer block to spring Brown for his dagger.

Second straight game without a sack. Some fantastic downfield blocking whether legal or not (the issue was Ahmari Huggins block on Duke Watson's screen--already fifteen yards downfield). For offensive line sickos I'm sure like Dave Scull a Renoir on display down in Death Valley.

2. It was subtle probably to people who haven't watched Louisville passingly, but the offensive tempo was different. Frankly it's the tempo I thought we'd see from Clemson who baffled everybody with a Monday Morning QB jersey on--and the ESPN crew Wischusen and Lewis Riddick--with the complete lack of urgency to the final whistle. Heck they ran out the clock in the first half down ten knowing Louisville was getting the ball back to start the 2nd half in a preview of coming attractions. Did their scouting report say "Slow the tempo down in the complete opposite way SMU and Miami sped it up"...yeah, that level of genius really caught us.

3. A complete, all systems football game. If it weren't for Deangelo Hutchinson's unnecessary block in the back we'd have added a punt return for a score by Brooks to the Tab of Decimation that was the special teams difference. Kudos to Travelsted for shaking off his first quarter miss and maintaining momentum with his conversions. Kudos to the kick coverage unit who I'm reasonably certain didn't allow a return to the 20.

4. Tackling was substantially better. Coverage from all phases--clearly on point. You don't get 9 PBUs without preparation, anticipation and great closeouts. It seemed like Clemson was in 3rd and 2 twenty times Saturday night, and a subsequent 4th and 1 7 or 8 (they were 5/6 on 4th down, but that one missed conversion was the one that sent them to the exits). When they did convert 3rd and 2 it seemed like Mafah met a wall at the sticks and barely converted.

...and I wanted to single something else out; not only was tackling better, in some cases it was punishing. There was a tackle Clark had on Wesco on a short conversion that I was surprised he stayed on the field and I think he did in part due to thinning numbers from their WR unit. The hit on Mafah on 4th and 1 had MJ and Ramon Puryear meeting him a yard deep in the backfield high and low and Thor leaked through his gap late (as did Gillotte). There aren't many things I love more than a 4th down or a Goal Line Stand where it's just hat-on-hat and you have somebody beating a gap. It was perfect.

5. And I don't want to lose sight of something else. While Isaac Brown is just flatout different, I don't lose any confidence when Duke Watson is in the game. Two freshmen, two very different running styles but both are punishing in their own way despite neither being 190. Pump some Duke Watson on that slip screen into my veins all day.
Have to say one thing: As the 4th Qtr was running down, I posted to my text group that finally we have killed the vampire.
 
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Said another way, the Clemson game was one data point. I understand as the last one, it's the most important. But the analyst in me wants to see something in the way of a trend.

And if I reflect back just one more week (data point), we were down 20-0 to Boston College. If you think you're legitimately seeing progress, that's a helluva lot of improvement in three quarters of football. Forget about Clemson, I hope someone recorded what Jeff said at halftime of the BC game...
 
There's a lot of parity when you step outside of the top tier, and it's even a little muddied at the top too.

The title will probably be claimed by a usual suspect though.

A turning point for the program would be reaching the CFBP, which ain't happening this year.

But even if they do that in the future, realignment is the elephant in the room.

It appears they are doing well in the parameters of NIL and the portal, the results since those two variables took off have been pretty good.

The ultimate turning point would be landing in some kind of secure league and that's one big TBD.

That was a good win for the team. Probably more of a turning point for Clemson as a program though, they are not hitting the portal, their HC is totally stuck in the past, and they continue to drift back to the pack from where they used to be.
 
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I think the conference as a whole maybe transitioning. Clemson and FSU are in flux. Miami seems to have the resources but I am still not convinced they have the coaching.

The Clemson game plus last year’s success should have a positive impact in player acquisition. As long as they continue to
acquire more talent and depth through the portal they can compete with those 3. Then hit on a special year on occasion. Missed an opportunity this because SMU and Miami were are home and getable.
 
Actually,we all thought we were gonna see another 20-0 hole to dig out of as the game started and it appeared like we had reverted back. The eyeball test tells me we're swealing with confidence lacking earlier to overcome the slow starts. It just happened to take 8+ games to get there. They've probably known for a while it was possible.

Leaders have emerged along the way that have helped others get in line. A freaking somersault by Shough? Nobody saw that one coming. A Freshman running back making a case for All ACC along with anotherpossibleAll ACC player Brooks.

On the defense,there are likely more than one. Riley in the secondary since his return to full health and our linebackers,namely Stanquan Clark,putting themselves into just about every running play...like they should.

I don't need to get into some of the crap that happened in some of those losses. We all saw it. The difference is the response from the players and the leadership of a few that have taken over the team.
 
On the defense,there are likely more than one. Riley in the secondary since his return to full health and our linebackers,namely Stanquan Clark,putting themselves into just about every running play...like they should.
As effusive as I was preseason about how good I thought Clark would be, Antonio Watts has been every bit as dynamic. That was most evident against Notre Dame as well as the Clemson game where both Clark and Watts were all over the place and arriving with big payloads.
 
I admire Dabo’s decision to avoid the Portal, but clearly that model is not a successful one in this environment.

Not arguing with any of the OP points, or those additional comments. As for me, we performed defensively so much better against Clemson, largely a result of not having to contend with a multi-faceted QB like what we faced against GT, BC, SMU, ND and of course Miami.

English acknowledged that he simplified our defensive schemes, something that was necessary; however in fairness to English it was a much easier task against Clemson when the QB play was primarily confined to passing and handing-off to RBs. Chasing an athletic QB can not only be exhaustive, it can reduce any defensive strategy to limited success.
 
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Not arguing with any of the OP points, or those additional comments. As for me, we performed defensively so much better against Clemson, largely a result of not having to contend with a multi-faceted QB like what we faced against GT, BC, SMU, ND and of course Miami.

English acknowledged that he simplified our defensive schemes, something that was necessary; however in fairness to English it was a much easier task against Clemson when the QB play was primarily confined to passing and handing-off to RBs. Chasing an athletic QB can not only be exhaustive, it can reduce any defensive strategy to limited success.
I think there were multiple areas that we saw as strengths defensively Saturday night vs. the three losses, not the least of which is:

1. Health of the secondary, especially cornerback. We didn't have Riley against ND and SMU. Thornton was playing with an oven mitt and forced into playing with it due to another injury (can't remember if it was Holloway). Miami went at him all day because the best he was going to do was club the ball. We had an outstanding night in coverage and that over the top, Two Deep umbrella was a big help.

2. Health on the defensive line and the emergence of the transfers Thor Griffith and Guerrad. Guerrad wasn't fully healthy until the game in Charlottesville. We missed Tramel Logan for a period after getting hurt against SMU and he really hasn't been back fully since; ditto Konga who looked like our best DT early in the year. It is VERY clear that we sure could have used a healthy Mason Reiger.

...the pass rushing lanes against Klubnik were perfectly coordinated all night and rather than arcing the defensive end pass rushes it was tight and narrow keeping Klubnik boxed in. While he isn't anything like Stephens or Cam Ward getting out the pocket, he does have escapability that creates big plays downfield when things break down and he killed NC State with it.
 
I think there were multiple areas that we saw as strengths defensively Saturday night vs. the three losses, not the least of which is:

1. Health of the secondary, especially cornerback. We didn't have Riley against ND and SMU. Thornton was playing with an oven mitt and forced into playing with it due to another injury (can't remember if it was Holloway). Miami went at him all day because the best he was going to do was club the ball. We had an outstanding night in coverage and that over the top, Two Deep umbrella was a big help.

2. Health on the defensive line and the emergence of the transfers Thor Griffith and Guerrad. Guerrad wasn't fully healthy until the game in Charlottesville. We missed Tramel Logan for a period after getting hurt against SMU and he really hasn't been back fully since; ditto Konga who looked like our best DT early in the year. It is VERY clear that we sure could have used a healthy Mason Reiger.

...the pass rushing lanes against Klubnik were perfectly coordinated all night and rather than arcing the defensive end pass rushes it was tight and narrow keeping Klubnik boxed in. While he isn't anything like Stephens or Cam Ward getting out the pocket, he does have escapability that creates big plays downfield when things break down and he killed NC State with it.
Speaking of Reiger, there were some who thought he might be able to play in the latter stages of the season. Is that off the table? If so, is there a chance he returns next season?
 
IF football coaches want to get “back in control” they would ALL avoid the portal.

Let these kids sit year without a school and the “I gotta worry about my future” attitude will change quickly.

The portal giveth and the portal taketh.

Personally I don’t like it because now we are essentially NFL lite.

And neither did Saban and Krzyzewski.
 
IF football coaches want to get “back in control” they would ALL avoid the portal.

Let these kids sit year without a school and the “I gotta worry about my future” attitude will change quickly.

The portal giveth and the portal taketh.

Personally I don’t like it because now we are essentially NFL lite.

And neither did Saban and Krzyzewski.
I always thought worrying about one’s future was the reason to go to college in the first place.
 
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