When Kansas, the team facing five Level 1 NCAA violations, hangs their 2022 NCAA BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP banner in Allen Field House it will be time for U of L to declare war against the NCAA
2013 NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP
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I have every expectation that UL will join Kansas and several others in a class action lawsuit against the NCAA over sanctions for paying recruits at the same time the NCAA approved NIL that compensates both recruits and players alike.
Judges and Juries will be most sympathetic to the plaintiff who argues the defendant (NCAA) is punishing some schools on one hand, while endorsing a policy (NIL) that essentially does the same exact thing to all the others.
Judges and Juries will be most sympathetic to the plaintiff who argues the defendant (NCAA) is punishing some schools on one hand, while endorsing a policy (NIL) that essentially does the same exact thing to all the others.
We should hang the banner anyway since other schools have done worse with no penalties. The schools really need to get rid of the NCAA especially since NIL. I agree how can they penalize any school since they approved NIL?
There is an ever-increasing movement within the P5 conference members in favor of leaving the NCAA. Well before NIL was approved, CBS conducted a poll on individual P5 members on willingness to vacate the NCAA …..it was overwhelming in favor of departure.
The economical inequities, specifically with the revenue distribution, not surprisingly was the #1 complaint, but the issues associated with having so many rules and regulations was a close second. Another popular complaint was how small schools that bring virtually no contribution financially or otherwise; are assigned positions of authority within committees that have huge influence over those members who are generating most of the revenue.
The economical inequities, specifically with the revenue distribution, not surprisingly was the #1 complaint, but the issues associated with having so many rules and regulations was a close second. Another popular complaint was how small schools that bring virtually no contribution financially or otherwise; are assigned positions of authority within committees that have huge influence over those members who are generating most of the revenue.
It’s easy to complain about something but it’s a whole another story about suggesting a better solution. Just let universities and AD’s do whatever they please?
I still have a problem with what we did back then….
Let’s assume for a moment that all of the top schools have been finding creative ways to pay elite players for at least the last six decades. Call it the “UCLA model”, after the way John Wooden was able to get all of the top talent to come to Westwood year after year in the 60’s and early 70’s….
If that had been what we did, then I’d be more likely to agree with the “re-hang the banner” sentiment. Most likely, we were already doing that (just like everybody else) - we just were never caught at it until the FBI sting. What we did was have an assistant coach - who had been a part of the program as both a player and a coach for nearly a decade - spend money on prostitutes for teenage boys.
If Andre McGee had been a coach we hired from some other program, I could at least think it was possible that Pitino didn’t know. Since it was McGee, Pitino either knew or should have known. And he should have been fired for cause at that point.
Had we done that, I think the NCAA would have let us keep our banner - but they were determined to have their “pound of flesh” over the “prostitutes for kids” bullsh!t. And since UofL wasn’t going to hold Pitino accountable, they exacted their pound of flesh by vacating all wins in which ineligible players played.
It sucks that Andre McGee did what he did, that Pitino didn’t do what he should have, that Jurich chose Pitino over the program, and finally that we as fans have to live with the consequences of those decisions.
Let’s assume for a moment that all of the top schools have been finding creative ways to pay elite players for at least the last six decades. Call it the “UCLA model”, after the way John Wooden was able to get all of the top talent to come to Westwood year after year in the 60’s and early 70’s….
If that had been what we did, then I’d be more likely to agree with the “re-hang the banner” sentiment. Most likely, we were already doing that (just like everybody else) - we just were never caught at it until the FBI sting. What we did was have an assistant coach - who had been a part of the program as both a player and a coach for nearly a decade - spend money on prostitutes for teenage boys.
If Andre McGee had been a coach we hired from some other program, I could at least think it was possible that Pitino didn’t know. Since it was McGee, Pitino either knew or should have known. And he should have been fired for cause at that point.
Had we done that, I think the NCAA would have let us keep our banner - but they were determined to have their “pound of flesh” over the “prostitutes for kids” bullsh!t. And since UofL wasn’t going to hold Pitino accountable, they exacted their pound of flesh by vacating all wins in which ineligible players played.
It sucks that Andre McGee did what he did, that Pitino didn’t do what he should have, that Jurich chose Pitino over the program, and finally that we as fans have to live with the consequences of those decisions.
And yet, here we are almost 10 years later still trying to defend what we did. Any coincidence why we haven’t been able to move past this…
Kansas already has national champion banners hanging up that aren’t recognized by the NCAA (from 1922-23). We should do the same for 2013.
I believe that the Kansas banners all say "National Champions" and the year, and make no reference to the NCAA. I know that others have suggested this many times, but maybe we should do similar banners, or at least one like that for 2013.
I think we'll eventually hang a 2013 banner, but not until we've completely settled this business with the NCAA one way or the other. The banner should go up the next day.
Which ineligible players played in the national championship season? I’ve only seen potential recruits being named, and just once Harrells name was brought up by one of strippers and she acknowledged that he left. He has denied himself being involved which one would expect he would say! I just never understood why her claims in her book weren’t dismissed as hearsay.
I’m not trying to dig up the case or justify anything that exempts anyones involvement. Its just my inquisitive mind being curious about why they believed everything about her claim without it being dismissed as hearsay.
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Pushup: I am not condoning the events that occurred at UL, nor do I believe in excusing the violation of rules. However, I am convinced that NCAA punishment has never been executed in a reasonable or equitable manner, which explains why I remain so adamant about the P5 conferences breaking away from the NCAA, and establishing their own organization that treats the members in a far more appropriate manner.
The sanctions on UL make no sense at all ……punishing kids like Luke, Peyton and Gorgui serve no purpose whatsoever. Taking the banner away is an insult to literally hundreds of thousands of UL fans who had nothing to do with any violations. Jurich was rewarded with millions of dollars after his termination, and Pitino is back coaching at Iona and came very close to playing in the NCAA tournament. Where is there any justice in the way this plays out?
The one culprit, Andre McGee, self punished himself by leaving a nice job and career opportunity when he literally snuck out of Louisville in the middle of the night once the story became public.
Now we can see the real irony here, as the NCAA agrees to support paying players (NIL), and then goes on to institute new rules that encourage players to transfer from one school to another for their own enrichment.
The sanctions on UL make no sense at all ……punishing kids like Luke, Peyton and Gorgui serve no purpose whatsoever. Taking the banner away is an insult to literally hundreds of thousands of UL fans who had nothing to do with any violations. Jurich was rewarded with millions of dollars after his termination, and Pitino is back coaching at Iona and came very close to playing in the NCAA tournament. Where is there any justice in the way this plays out?
The one culprit, Andre McGee, self punished himself by leaving a nice job and career opportunity when he literally snuck out of Louisville in the middle of the night once the story became public.
Now we can see the real irony here, as the NCAA agrees to support paying players (NIL), and then goes on to institute new rules that encourage players to transfer from one school to another for their own enrichment.
I do not know which players were ineligible. Second hand, I know that the report said 3 enrolled student athletes received improper benefits and were therefore ineligible. UofL was required to provide data to the NCAA on which games those ineligible players played.
Some fans have speculated that the 3 ineligible players were Chane Behanan, Russ Smith and Montrezl Harrell, but I do not have any way to verify if that is correct.
Not Russ Smith, the University just retire his jersey number!
I’m not sure NIL allows prostitutes yet.. Do I have any eligibility left?
It would be permissible if extended to all the students, and not just the players; at least that is what the NCAA said to UNC.
If I recall correctly, when we self reported, there was one player still on the team that had received impermissible benefits, to the tune of whatever the small amount of $ and the NCAA reinstated him without suspension. That was part of our defense against considering any players ineligible since the NCAA set a precedent that the benefits received would NOT have resulted in any players getting suspended, meaning we shouldn't have to forfeit games.
The fact was we were punished for a small amount of impermissible benefits but they levied penalties that far outweighed the violation, simply because they deemed the benefits "repugnant" in nature. That is bullshit, they can't just make up extra rules to impart harsher penalties. The problem is the NCAA doesn't apply punishments in a consistent and fair manner. Not to mention they turn a blind eye to certain situations and violations by certain schools.
The fact was we were punished for a small amount of impermissible benefits but they levied penalties that far outweighed the violation, simply because they deemed the benefits "repugnant" in nature. That is bullshit, they can't just make up extra rules to impart harsher penalties. The problem is the NCAA doesn't apply punishments in a consistent and fair manner. Not to mention they turn a blind eye to certain situations and violations by certain schools.
None of the recruits who were allegedly provided with access to prostitutes ever came to UofL. The “impermissible benefits” was attendance at the strip shows by players on the 12 and 13 teams which, according to the NCAA, made those players ineligible and cost the school the wins from those two years, the 12 Final Four appearance and the 13 championship. In effect the “impermissible benefit” was the cover charge for a fourth rate strip show.
Respectfully, the "prostitutes" thing should be pursued in the courts (I believe it was, with no result). No Louisville player received any "benefits" that enticed them to play and win games for Louisville. That title didn't happen because of Katina and her "benefits." What happened was gross and immoral but has nothing to do with improper benefits for college players.
I think the NCAA sucks and I hope I live to see the day when we no longer have to tolerate their bias. UNC had fake classes for all their athletes for 30 years and how many banners did they give up? Kansas has 5 major violations pending and the head of the NCAA presents them with the championship trophy. I want us to be in that circle,
They were triple nasty. That photo, with them dressed in their cheap ass ho-fits, might have been the most damaging aspect of the entire ordeal. To this day, I still wonder if the ho thing wasn’t a setup. Hard to believe Katrina was bright enough to have pulled it off on her own.
What sickens me is how she pimped her daughters out“supposedly” and then paraded them around like her hoes
all while trying to sell her books and herself 🥴🤢🤮
