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I doubt they actually have standing but, if I were in your shoes, I'd just like the merry-go-round to stop. I don't see how this is good for UL in any way.
Says two words for me...
Failed leadership.
Your guys have kept the latter one on the payroll. They're inseparable.Ramsey & Smrt
Fair enough but the court may require you to cite the NCAA rules that made the UNC players ineligible. I hate what UNC did but none of their players were ever deemed ineligible.I think if they can ever get the case heard by a jury they win. UNC used ineligible players for years and suffered no consequences at all. UL's penalty was based on using ineligible players. If I were their attorney that's the case I would make, the inequity in how the NCAA hands down punishment. I think a jury would buy into it. The problem is getting it in front of a jury.
Technically you are correct. But when you get credit for a class you did not really take, and that class keeps you eligible, common sense tells you they were using ineligible players. Your point is exactly why I say the case has to get to a jury. A judge would make the argument you are making. A jury might not. I was involved in a civil suit in the past and was 100 percent convinced I would win the case. My attorney cautioned that you never know how a jury will decide a case. His advice was try to settle out of court which we did. I am hoping that's what is going to happen here. If they can actually get it to Court the NCAA might settle out of Court, fearing a ruling against them might set a precedent that is problematic for them.Fair enough but the court may require you to cite the NCAA rules that made the UNC players ineligible. I hate what UNC did but none of their players were ever deemed ineligible.
So you think it’s ok for Luke, who probably achieved his lifetime dream and worked his tail off just to bend over and say or do nothing? By doing nothing, sort of admits that he knew things were going on. Surprised this hasn’t happen sooner. We have looked at this from an University standpoint not from individuals.1) Rick ain't know shit about dem ho's
2) Dem ho's ugly
3) Ain't nobody playing for Louisville because of dem ugly, nasty, stanky, stank trick-ass ho's
4) After thinking about this for a day, I have come to the conclusion that the war ended when the appeal was denied and this will only result in delaying/hindering the post-war reconstruction effort. I understand Luke and the team wanting to fight, but this isn't going to end the way they want. In the end, this lawsuit, at this time, is only good if you are a rival of Louisville.
So you think it’s ok for Luke, who probably achieved his lifetime dream and worked his tail off just to bend over and say or do nothing? By doing nothing, sort of admits that he knew things were going on. Surprised this hasn’t happen sooner. We have looked at this from an University standpoint not from individuals.
Maybe you should re-read. Not about what our rivals think, it’s a personal matter for Luke.yes, that's exactly what I said (sarcasm). Read.
Lots of ifs but let's say a judge decides the players have standing and let's say a judge allows a jury to decide how to apply private rules, rules both member institutions and in many cases, student-athletes have agreed to follow. Even if all that happened, which would be inappropriate, the case would be tossed in appeal. That, of course, would only happen after years of dragging the sordid mess in front of the public. Even worse, Morgan & Morgan, fancy ambulance chasers, is representing them. If there was an angle to attack, which I dont believe there is, they have the wrong attorneys. This case will never be a win for them from a simple litigation angle like defamation or breach of contract. It's a lose, lose for UL regardless.Technically you are correct. But when you get credit for a class you did not really take, and that class keeps you eligible, common sense tells you they were using ineligible players. Your point is exactly why I say the case has to get to a jury. A judge would make the argument you are making. A jury might not. I was involved in a civil suit in the past and was 100 percent convinced I would win the case. My attorney cautioned that you never know how a jury will decide a case. His advice was try to settle out of court which we did. I am hoping that's what is going to happen here. If they can actually get it to Court the NCAA might settle out of Court, fearing a ruling against them might set a precedent that is problematic for them.
Lots of ifs but let's say a judge decides the players have standing and let's say a judge allows a jury to decide how to apply private rules, rules both member institutions and in many cases, student-athletes have agreed to follow. Even if all that happened, which would be inappropriate, the case would be tossed in appeal. That, of course, would only happen after years of dragging the sordid mess in front of the public. Even worse, Morgan & Morgan, fancy ambulance chasers, is representing them. If there was an angle to attack, which I dont believe there is, they have the wrong attorneys. This case will never be a win for them from a simple litigation angle like defamation or breach of contract. It's a lose, lose for UL regardless.
No harm for the plaintiffs, perhaps. Lots of collateral damage is possible though.No harm in swinging for the fences. Do nothing you have no shot. Stranger things have happened.
What? Fire your coach? Done it. Get rid of your AD? Done it! We have already been penalized unless something else came out of it.No harm for the plaintiffs, perhaps. Lots of collateral damage is possible though.
I dont mean penalties. Do you really want a couple years of ugly publicity?What? Fire your coach? Done it. Get rid of your AD? Done it! We have already been penalized unless something else came out of it.
Could be. Federal courts have a much further reach than state courts.This could lead to Andre McGee speaking under oath. Wow.
More than what we have already experienced? Publicity may just show how corrupt and capricious the NCAA really is. I would like to hear Jay Bilas legal opinion on this.I dont mean penalties. Do you really want a couple years of ugly publicity?
Fair enough.More than what we have already experienced? Publicity may just show how corrupt and capricious the NCAA really is. I would like to hear Jay Bilas legal opinion on this.
I know...me too...Ramsey and Pitino were our bad apples.Says two words for me...
Failed leadership.
That's about right. The guys suing have nothing to lose esp. if the attorneys are helping to fund the effort...No harm in swinging for the fences. Do nothing you have no shot. Stranger things have happened.
You better hope that the new people in those two jobs come close to accomplishing what their predecessors did...I know...me too...Ramsey and Pitino were our bad apples.
Well, for good or bad, its all over the sports world now. Lots of negative feedback already from non-rivals. Its hard to believe Morgan thinks he will get Pitino his title back. I wonder who is paying for this, lots of folks think its Pitino.
http://www.wdrb.com/story/38620917/...championship-team-sue-ncaa-over-vacated-title
I think it was Corman v NCAA, he is a state senator and the State treasurer was the other party. The state sued because of the money. The NCAA went outside their jurisdiction on that one and didn't provide proper due process. I don't think that will transfer to this situation.Penn State players and alumni filed suit against the NCAA and won big time.
Lawyers say whatever's in the best interests of their clients. Has nothing to do with reality or truth. We have one on the premium board who exemplifies that...