I almost shed a tear...almost.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/07/imagine_the_ripple_effect_if_d.html
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/07/imagine_the_ripple_effect_if_d.html
SEC concerned about fairness (Link)
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Sounds like a set up for a moral victory: "yeah, they beat us with a guy we would never have allowed to play for us."
Makes me hope the cards pound their sanctimonious, hypocritical butts even more.
Makes me hope the cards pound their sanctimonious, hypocritical butts even more.
With all the rampant cheating going on in the SEC it's hard to believe anybody affiliated or around the league in any way would talk about fairness.
Auburn frigging won a bidding war for $cam Newton. Level the playing field!!!
Auburn frigging won a bidding war for $cam Newton. Level the playing field!!!
For the record I'm not sure who I do and don't want on the team. Those aren't my decisions. I would assume the guys getting second chances have a tough rule system to follow to stay on the team.
I never see much of an outcry over guys that stay on a team despite being repeat offenders though.
My thought is, I keep my opinions about these things to myself - we all live in glass houses.
I never see much of an outcry over guys that stay on a team despite being repeat offenders though.
My thought is, I keep my opinions about these things to myself - we all live in glass houses.
Where in that article did it say anyone in the SEC wanted Fields? In fact it read that Fields could've signed with a SEC team as his commitment predated the SEC's new ruling.
I'm crying for the $EC. They wrote the book on cheating to get the end results they wanted. Year after year their programs are caught up in some kind of violation. The fact that now there is a legitimate playoff and the BCS is no longer under their control they have the nerve to cry foul. Cry me a river and go screw yourself $EC!!!
The basis for the article is that SEC teams are at a disadvantage not being able to sign a kid like Fields. And that U of L upsetting Auburn would be fuel for that fire.
Clearly--to everyone besides LPT Bill--that means SEC teams either need to have the handcuffs taken off...or no one else should be able to sign them. (Good luck with that second one...) That also means Fields ends up at a school like Bama.
OR that Tom Jurich is controlling even more of the media.
LPT Football: Chock full of conspiracy theories...
Well Duh! that's why CBP got him.....
Devonte Fields could wreak havoc on Jeremy Johnson.
Louisville's new pass-rushing specialist could force Auburn's quarterback into mistake after mistake to help the Cardinals spring the upset.
Devonte Fields could wreak havoc on Jeremy Johnson.
Louisville's new pass-rushing specialist could force Auburn's quarterback into mistake after mistake to help the Cardinals spring the upset.
There's no conspiracy, this article doesn't have anything to do with what we discussed. It has to do with Saban being pissed about being called out about Taylor, and the SEC taking steps to prevent a team from taking a player like fields.
Did it say anywhere in the article that Saban was going to take Fields if he didn't qualify at UofL? In fact it said that if Bama had really wanted him they could've gotten him when he committed to UofL as the SEC ban wasn't in place then.
This writer for AL.com was looking for hits, a surefire way to get plenty of hits is to A) mention Bama and Saban and B) the player opposes Auburn the first game of the year.
BOO-HOO the poor lil old SEC is at a disadvantage.
Saban cries all the time to try to get his way:
2013: Offenses were moving to fast and kids were going to get injured.
2015: Cries that his players lost the National Championship because of the NFL projections of where his guys would be drafted.
2015: Whines that players should not be given second chances based on previous troubles because his beloved SEC does not permitt such players.
I'm sure there is more crap but, I'm simply too lazy to look up his complaining.
Go Cards!
Saban cries all the time to try to get his way:
2013: Offenses were moving to fast and kids were going to get injured.
2015: Cries that his players lost the National Championship because of the NFL projections of where his guys would be drafted.
2015: Whines that players should not be given second chances based on previous troubles because his beloved SEC does not permitt such players.
I'm sure there is more crap but, I'm simply too lazy to look up his complaining.
Go Cards!
The article says that the SEC is trying to hold onto the moral high ground by refusing to admit kids like Fields. But that will come into question if Fields helps beat the SEC preseason favorite. That's written in a language we call "english", Bill.
And if it does indeed happen, there will be pressure to admit kids like Fields to SEC schools. That's a school like Bama or Auburn. The very thing that, according to LPT Bill, only U of L NATIONALLY had concocted as cover for admitting Fields. A U of L decision that was, of course, several months old.
I can almost smell that crow simmering!
LPT Football: Consumers of a lotta crow...
BTW, won't bad publicity from yet another article be ample reason NOW for Bama to come out and deny they are or will ever be interested in these problem kids? Why wouldn't Bama want to set the record straight and clear their name? Esp. since their connection to Fields was all contrived by U of L, and promulgated by the media?
Bill?
LPT Football: Backward thinkers in a backward thinking conference...
Bill?
LPT Football: Backward thinkers in a backward thinking conference...
Zipp, this has absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about, you're simply trying to latch onto something. This article is stating that Louisville has a player that an SEC school as the rule stands now can't take as a transfer, Saban doesn't like the rule because it was basically put into place after a transfer he took got in trouble again. No where in it this article does it say Bama was ever even interested in Fields. Since you like to highlight points please highlight the part where it says Bama was going to take Fields, I failed to see it.
Where is the bad publicity and for whom? That the SEC won't take kids that have been in domestic abuse issues? That doesn't sound like bad publicity to me, sounds like the SEC is taking the high road.
Dude, you're doing some serious twisting of a pretty straight forward article. If Louisville beats Auburn should the SEC allow transfers with issues, thats the gist of the article Zipp.
Where is the bad publicity and for whom? That the SEC won't take kids that have been in domestic abuse issues? That doesn't sound like bad publicity to me, sounds like the SEC is taking the high road.
Dude, you're doing some serious twisting of a pretty straight forward article. If Louisville beats Auburn should the SEC allow transfers with issues, thats the gist of the article Zipp.
It's exactly the same issue that you're refusing to admit because it further undercuts your LPT agenda...
Why would Saban "not like the rule" if he had no intention of taking kids like Fields? He shouldn't give a damn if your agenda argument was indeed accurate.
Which is it, "dude"?
LPT Football: Uh-oh, a dude off!...
Because it was put in place because of Sabans actions. My "agenda" argument was about Fields, and the comment that the reporter tweeted he heard Bama was going to take him if he wasn't cleared at Louisville. It wasn't about the SEC trying to show high morals.
No where in this article does it even mention Fields going to Bama. You're losing touch with reality on this just grasping for something to hold onto.
No where in this article does it even mention Fields going to Bama. You're losing touch with reality on this just grasping for something to hold onto.
The SEC didn't adopt a meaningless rule. If a rule had to be put in place, then it was because of interest from member schools in taking these kids. Yet, you assured us that wasn't the case with Bama and Fields--that the story was just planted by U of L as cover.
It's as plain as the nose on an LPT face. It's fantasy suggesting otherwise.
LPT Football: Great fiction writers...
That's the whole reason the SEC implemented the rule. SEC coaches like Saban were likely preparing to go all in chasing after these kids. Having 15-20 players on some SEC rosters arrested in a 5 year period isn't unseemly but apparently this issue is, in the eyes of SEC leaders.
The SEC did it to show they were taking a stand on domestic violence Zipp. You may not know it, but there's a large number of FOOTBALL players at all levels in the last year have been in domestic issues.
Why didn't BAMA go after Fields before February if they wanted him? The rule wasn't in place then, but you want to believ that after it was in place, and the young man had committed to UofL they then told him they wanted him if he didn't get accepted.
Louisville caught a lot of grief after taking Fields, then right after the recent incident at FSU they clear him to play.
The only one between the 2 of us that has an agenda is you, I realize that what I type on here has absolutely zero bearing on what happens, you on the other seem to think people actually take you seriously.
Why didn't BAMA go after Fields before February if they wanted him? The rule wasn't in place then, but you want to believ that after it was in place, and the young man had committed to UofL they then told him they wanted him if he didn't get accepted.
Louisville caught a lot of grief after taking Fields, then right after the recent incident at FSU they clear him to play.
The only one between the 2 of us that has an agenda is you, I realize that what I type on here has absolutely zero bearing on what happens, you on the other seem to think people actually take you seriously.
You can spare me a sanctimonious lecture on domestic violence. That ain't the issue. What you're TRYING to tell me is that the good ole SEC boys proactively hold themselves to higher moral and ethical standards than the rest of the country. Let me get my waders on, Bill, cuz' I see river of ____ flowing this way.
Don't know, you'll have to mind-read Saban since you're so good at that stuff. According to Rivals, it doesn't look like they were recruiting him when U of L and SEVERAL OTHER SEC SCHOOLS were. And when you're on that mental wavelength with Nick, check when he's coming out dispelling all of these inaccurate stories connecting Bama and Fields.
Oh no, grief! Timeless zipp-ism no. 82 comes to mind... "Being right often means being alone."
You've had an anti-U of L agenda on this issue from your first post. But you're blind to it. And if you don't think what you say matters, then one option for you is to STFU.
LPT Football: Irrelevant but flapping our gums anyway...
So all the bad publicity football has had with domestic violence didn't play a part in the SEC's decision? Then what did if you don't mind?
I don't have an agenda Zipp, I don't hate UofL like you hate UK. But i'm smart enough to see that when a school didn't recruit a kid before he committed and signed, and before their league made it a policy of not allowing prior domestic abusers from transferring in, that they didn't tell him they were going to take him if he didn't get accepted, I know I'm going out on a ledge with that crazy thought.
I would quit talking about this issue if you'd quit bringing it up, it's not a big deal to me.
I don't have an agenda Zipp, I don't hate UofL like you hate UK. But i'm smart enough to see that when a school didn't recruit a kid before he committed and signed, and before their league made it a policy of not allowing prior domestic abusers from transferring in, that they didn't tell him they were going to take him if he didn't get accepted, I know I'm going out on a ledge with that crazy thought.
I would quit talking about this issue if you'd quit bringing it up, it's not a big deal to me.
I already showed you...can you read? Bama was reportedly interested even after he committed to U of L, and LSU, Missouri, and Mississippi State were competing with U of L for him months earlier. That moral high ground stuff is revisionist LPT bullsh!t.
Sure you do. You've been squirming and twisting on this issue since you brought up the preposterous U of L-planted-the-story argument. And you've argued repeatedly that it has nothing to do with how you feel about U of L and the decision. Are you familiar with the line from Macbeth: "The lady doth protest too much"?
Not only is it crazy, but it's indecipherable.
Sure you'll quit talking about it. You're backed into a corner.
LPT Football: Where we usually are...
WTF are you talking about? Why did the SEC ban taking players with domestic issues if it wasn't because of all the issues football was having with it?
I'm saying Bama never told the kid they would take him if he wasn't accepted, thats ridiculous to even think that even though they didn't want when they actually could've taken him, that when they couldn't take him they did want him, its absurd.
I still feel the same as I did before, someone was doing preemptive damage control in letting the reporter hear that nugget. There's no corner to be backed into here, because there's nothing here Zipp. You keep brining this crap up, like you've got some gotcha, when in reality it's an article on whether the SEC should allow players like Fields to transfer in to the league if Louisville beats Auburn.
You're too emotionally involved, and it's very unbecoming.
I'm saying Bama never told the kid they would take him if he wasn't accepted, thats ridiculous to even think that even though they didn't want when they actually could've taken him, that when they couldn't take him they did want him, its absurd.
I still feel the same as I did before, someone was doing preemptive damage control in letting the reporter hear that nugget. There's no corner to be backed into here, because there's nothing here Zipp. You keep brining this crap up, like you've got some gotcha, when in reality it's an article on whether the SEC should allow players like Fields to transfer in to the league if Louisville beats Auburn.
You're too emotionally involved, and it's very unbecoming.
Well, they SAY they don't want the kids. But the rule isn't purely symbolic, as you suggest. Not when half of the SEC was standing in line to take Fields.
And I'm saying you don't know that. In fact--if you're honest--you have independent sources saying that Bama did tell Fields that. The only reason you challenge that is it doesn't fit your agenda. And you're willing to conjure up LPT "common sense" as evidence. It's just LPT Bill hogwash.
Try that again in english.
Gee, thanks for your concern.
I'm bringing up what you call "crap" because it defeats your arguments...
You're denying published reports from independent sources that there is interest from Bama and SEC schools in kids like Fields. So much so, that losing to teams with those players will undermine an SEC rule put in place to keep those kids out. Only a delusional LPT fan would still live in denial and cling to his alternative version of reality.
LPT Football: Right at home with that...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-risks-on-recruits-arrested-for-abusing-women
Alabama takes those kind of players.
Alabama takes those kind of players.
It wasn't an individual report about Bama Zipp, it was a tweet, a tweet by a reporter that didn't even say a source told him, just that he heard.
I never said no other schools were interested in Fields, or any other Sec schools you're making that part up to fit your argument. The TWEET said Bama specifically told Fields they would take him if he wasn't accepted. Bama didn't even recruit the kid.
The rule came into place to prevent kids with domestic issues from entering the league. It's been headline news about football for at least a year now Zipp, the numerous domestic issues football has had. The SEC was trying to promote its brand with that move. Do you honestly not understand how that works?
You're not defeating my argument, you're just throwing mud hoping something sticks.
I don't think Bama told the kid they'd take him, I think it was Louisville protecting its brand. I think it was a smart move just like I think the SECs move was a smart move.
If you don't like it...oh well.
I never said no other schools were interested in Fields, or any other Sec schools you're making that part up to fit your argument. The TWEET said Bama specifically told Fields they would take him if he wasn't accepted. Bama didn't even recruit the kid.
The rule came into place to prevent kids with domestic issues from entering the league. It's been headline news about football for at least a year now Zipp, the numerous domestic issues football has had. The SEC was trying to promote its brand with that move. Do you honestly not understand how that works?
You're not defeating my argument, you're just throwing mud hoping something sticks.
I don't think Bama told the kid they'd take him, I think it was Louisville protecting its brand. I think it was a smart move just like I think the SECs move was a smart move.
If you don't like it...oh well.
And the kid did it again and got kicked off Bamas team and Saban caught grief for taking him.
After all that happened since that article, Taylor getting kicked off the team, sec putting a new policy in place, Saban catching heat about taking Taylor from the media. Bama told Fields they were going to take him if he didn't qualify at UofL, sure thing.
No, U of L concocted the story as cover.
With not even as much as a tweet to support LPT Bill's story. Just LPT Bill's "common sense".
Sure thing.
LPT Football: Sure thing...
It's more likely than Bama actually telling the kid or Olsen they were going to take him if he didn't get accepted at UofL.
Parsing the info? How does the not-tweeting world find out if it doesn't get reported through the mainstream media? I don't tweet.
So you're saying that several other SEC schools could have been interested, just not Bama? What's your basis for that distinction? Weren't all SEC schools were facing the same rule?
And this isn't about Fields' recruitment months ago. This is potentially catching him on the rebound today. No connection for a specific school except that Fields was good enough and not radioactive enough for an SEC school to be interested.
I understand perfectly well HOW THE SEC WORKS. If you're trying to position the SEC on some kinda moral and ethical high ground outta pure virtue, fuggetaboutit. No one here is buying that BS. A rule like that is protecting the SEC FROM itself. I will accept that from an LPT fan without proof.
I'm rigorously addressing each of your flimsy, unsupported points in detail. No mud needed.
And now you don't THINK Bama told the kid they'd take him. At least, that's progress. Or crow frying.
LPT Football: Pass the ketchup...
I agree that the SEC was protecting itself from itself, I never denied that.But they also did it to protect its image and brand because it's a pretty big deal in football right now.
YOU brought up other teams recruited Fields, I didn't say they didn't. The rule was put into place AFTER Fields recruitment and commitment to Louisville. I don't believe any of them did after he signed his LOI though. And Bama wasn't one of the teams recruiting him prior so why after all that's happened since would they Now tell him we'll take you if UofL doesn't accept you?
Not allowing teams to take domestic abusers to transfer in is taking the moral and ethical high ground isn't it, that's exactly what it is, and just watch, other leagues will begin to follow suit if it keeps happening frequently.
YOU brought up other teams recruited Fields, I didn't say they didn't. The rule was put into place AFTER Fields recruitment and commitment to Louisville. I don't believe any of them did after he signed his LOI though. And Bama wasn't one of the teams recruiting him prior so why after all that's happened since would they Now tell him we'll take you if UofL doesn't accept you?
Not allowing teams to take domestic abusers to transfer in is taking the moral and ethical high ground isn't it, that's exactly what it is, and just watch, other leagues will begin to follow suit if it keeps happening frequently.
The off the field image for the SEC is kind of already in the shitter Bill. It's more like they are trying to rebuild their image than protect it.
I'm not saying the SEC is holier than thou, but they did put the rule in place. And I do agree it was about image, there is no doubt about that.
Because it's been documented that SEC schools are/were interested in Fields. That is FACT. Are you alleging that U of L/Jurich was too stupid to know about a new and famous SEC rule? Let us know how much more there is to this fantasy.
And that has little or nothing to do with the issue here.
LPT Football: Choir boys...
Again Zipp, I never said SEC schools weren't interested, none of them offered though. Please tell me where I wrote no SEC schools were interested in Fields in February.
But that was before he signed with Louisville and before the SEC rule was in place.
None of this crap about other schools being interested in February has anything to do with what your pissed about me saying either, but that hasn't stopped you, has it.
You think Saban is too stupid to realize the SEC put a rule in place ?
But that was before he signed with Louisville and before the SEC rule was in place.
None of this crap about other schools being interested in February has anything to do with what your pissed about me saying either, but that hasn't stopped you, has it.
You think Saban is too stupid to realize the SEC put a rule in place ?
