Received his release from Milwaukee yesterday. Guard who averaged double figures. Originally from KY. He wants to play at a high major and wants to be closer to home. Strong possibility for the Cards.
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I don’t think Coach Mack and staff are interested in this kid all !
LOL... It's gotten to this.
If Mack was working for what Padgett was making, I'd be very patient. He's making almost five times more, which makes me five times less patient...
To use my analysis...Pitino made the NIT his 1st year coaching in a much weaker league Conference USA and he got paid a lot of $ - he is a HOF guy.
Are we holding Mack to a higher standard than a HOF coach? Or are we saying Rick was a disaster year one?
Or are did we give Rick time because he's a HOF coach and was a slam dunk hire? I think that's where we are on it, right?
If Mack was working for what Padgett was making, I'd be very patient. He's making almost five times more, which makes me five times less patient...
Yep, thank you Pitino, Magee, and Fair.LOL... It's gotten to this.
Here’s what wrong with your analogy. CRP already had a NC. He deserved some patience and respect. As far as I know, Mack did good in a mid major conference and when he finally achieved success in Power 5, he underachieved in the NCAAT. Plus like Zipp said, he’s getting paid 4 mil.Pitino made the NIT his 1st year coaching in a much weaker league Conference USA and he got paid a lot of $ - he is a HOF guy.
Are we holding Mack to a higher standard than a HOF coach? Or are we saying Rick was a disaster year one?
Or are did we give Rick time because he's a HOF coach and was a slam dunk hire? I think that's where we are on it, right?
FAN=FANATICS . Not going to happen this board will be full on ignorance after the first couple of exhibition games . Watch and see!To use my analysis...
If Padgett went 12-19 last year in CUSA, I would be more patient with Mack this year in the ACC. But that's not what happened...
To use my analysis...
If Padgett went 12-19 last year in CUSA, I would be more patient with Mack this year in the ACC. But that's not what happened...
Mack will get props if he just makes the tourney. .
Maybe not but he would provide depth.
If Mack was working for what Padgett was making, I'd be very patient. He's making almost five times more, which makes me five times less patient...
It's going to be a rough 2 years I think and its expected.
I think Mack is a good coach, but I don't know if he's a great coach. That answer will come. The issue is he's making today what a great (or nearly so) coach is making, and everyone is treating him as such. Fine, he needs to prove that. He needs to do what a guy like Pitino would do coming in under similar circumstances.Zipp. I know you like the art & exercise of debate. I don't think you're being realistic about the situation that he inherited. He kept the entire returning team together - that was recruiting job #1 and he did that brilliantly. Now we're staring into that abyss where it is so easy to recruit against Louisville for guys who aren't already here.
Maybe your stance is that since bad recruiting/bad seasons is what we're facing regardless of the coach, then we should have retained Padgett to "see what happens" to ride out the storm over the next few years and save ~$3MM per year. Then at the end of this 3-5 years (that's how long this is going to take, IMO) of losing, you go get the coach you want if Padgett isn't the guy. I don't agree with this POV (I think it is far too risky) but I can understand the logic of it.
The risk is that the program is at such a low point in 3-5 years that it will be impossible to get a Coach Mack, Tom Crean (yes I know), or anyone else of any "name." That's the risk and it's huge. The belief, although you may not share it, is that Coach Mack is in fact a great coach and so we get him now with what stock value we still have and ride this out during this mess (where admittedly we'll all be second-guessing decisions made because it will be such a mess), and we have a great coach already in place, feeling at home, well-paid, and hungry to rebuild it at the end of it when the storm has cleared. We believe have that guy now. If you don't share that belief then I'm sure this makes no sense but at least try to understand that POV.
You want to give him a A+ for recruiting because he kept the team intact? You sir must not have kids who played college sports or understand recruiting. First of all Sutton and McMahon weren’t going anywhere. Same goes for Enoch. They can’t lose another year of eligibility. Anybody else who left would have to sit out a year from playing and that’s ok for some. But what you’re missing is that guys who want to leave (from an under performing team) somebody has to want them and they would have to be a Power 5 team unless they just wanted to play for sisters of the poor. So it would be stupid for anyone to leave especially under this situation where it looks like the asst trainer might have to play.Zipp. I know you like the art & exercise of debate. I don't think you're being realistic about the situation that he inherited. He kept the entire returning team together - that was recruiting job #1 and he did that brilliantly. Now we're staring into that abyss where it is so easy to recruit against Louisville for guys who aren't already here.
Maybe your stance is that since bad recruiting/bad seasons is what we're facing regardless of the coach, then we should have retained Padgett to "see what happens" to ride out the storm over the next few years and save ~$3MM per year. Then at the end of this 3-5 years (that's how long this is going to take, IMO) of losing, you go get the coach you want if Padgett isn't the guy. I don't agree with this POV (I think it is far too risky) but I can understand the logic of it.
The risk is that the program is at such a low point in 3-5 years that it will be impossible to get a Coach Mack, Tom Crean (yes I know), or anyone else of any "name." That's the risk and it's huge. The belief, although you may not share it, is that Coach Mack is in fact a great coach and so we get him now with what stock value we still have and ride this out during this mess (where admittedly we'll all be second-guessing decisions made because it will be such a mess), and we have a great coach already in place, feeling at home, well-paid, and hungry to rebuild it at the end of it when the storm has cleared. We believe have that guy now. If you don't share that belief then I'm sure this makes no sense but at least try to understand that POV.
You want to give him a A+ for recruiting because he kept the team intact? You sir must not have kids who played college sports or understand recruiting. First of all Sutton and McMahon weren’t going anywhere. Same goes for Enoch. They can’t lose another year of eligibility. Anybody else who left would have to sit out a year from playing and that’s ok for some.
This year's team is going to have less talent than last year's team not to mention less depth. If he makes the tourney it will be a great coaching job, period. We have some talent left but our best three players off that team are gone.
The guys you are talking about that transferred believed they could get more playing time and opportunity somewhere else. Not the case here.My kids are 8 & 6 so no I don't have kids who played college sports. LOL. As for the rest, players have transferred from programs with less "stuff" than what these guys are dealing with. You can only fix what you've had the time to fix and have in front of you, which in this case is a 4 weeks/keeping the current roster. If you don't think that's big, then consider what next year would be like if a few key players had decided to transfer.
Bullshit. He had a No. 1 seed and underachieved.If Mack had last years team we are a four seed. This years team looks to be 8-9 based on talent. There is some but it’s young and raw. We had 4 returning starters last year. This year we have 1 and no freshman.
Bullshit. He had a No. 1 seed and underachieved.
You want to give him a A+ for recruiting because he kept the team intact?
Perry and others had already decided to stay. The ones who were on the fence supposedly were King and Nwora. Now I would ask you if King and possibly Nwora knew that Adel and Spalding weren’t coming back, you think they would risk losing 1 year of sitting out rather than stay and compete? Again I will ask you who wanted King and Nwora and were those D1 Power 5 conference teams?In another thread you pointed out DP left KU because as you put it, Ol' Roy left.
Even you provide examples that show it's not a guarantee a new coach comes in and holds a prior roster together.
Considering all the problems at the program, the guy deserves a lot of credit for keeping Perry, Williams, Nwora, and Thomas. Maybe not an A+ but quite a bit.
Sure a couple others like Enoch, Sutton, and McMahon had limited or no options.
Have you ever seen the quantity of players on a transfer list each year? It's hundreds.
Guys with 3 years remaining had plenty of options.
If he doesn't keep those 4 young guys this team is a dumpster fire next year. Since he was able to hold them, we see a few optimistic posters - like you. You expect 20+ wins and an NCAA berth. Would have had no chance of that is the 4 young guys went away.
It’s been proven year after year that preseason rankings don’t mean jack. They’re only talking points. U of L wasn’t the only team that didn’t live up to preseason hype.They were preseason #17, right behind 3 NIT teams. He didn't underachieve, he over achieve obtaining the 1 seed.
Again I will ask you who wanted King and Nwora and were those D1 Power 5 conference teams?
It’s been proven year after year that preseason rankings don’t mean jack. They’re only talking points. U of L wasn’t the only team that didn’t live up to preseason hype.
Well since you think you know it all. No kid announces he is transferring unless he’s got an offer at another school or knows where he’s going. The schools that recruited him wanted him the year after he graduated, not two years after. Most schools have fill those needs by then and sarcastically are not waiting for kids who they initially recruited to leave the school they chose over them in the first place. It is you sir that is uneducated.If King and Nwora announced they were transferring, there would be coaches recruiting them heavily to join their program.
It is hard to believe you follow basketball this closely and are unaware of their value nationally.
Over half of Nwora's offers were from P5 schools over a year ago - half of 22 offers.
Seriously? You are suggesting P5 schools would not be interested in him or King?
What? That's nuclear level uninformed.
I thought this kid would be right down your alley.LOL... It's gotten to this.
Why? I have no idea who he is. Mack's just trying to fill a roster...I thought this kid would be right down your alley.
How in the hell could anyone say Mack under achieved just because he lost a number 1 seed.