Woodson, Howard and Hardaway
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Hardaway was on the hot seat he was a great player but not a great coach. Memphis hired Larry Brown as an assistant coach to teach Penny how to coach.
Penny had only coached AAU he has alot to learn just like any 1 st time college coach with even more experience . But his learning curve is judged differently nothing new!
Hubert Davis - another guy without head coaching experience who went back to alma mater - gets a 30pt win.
People think coaching basketball requires great strategy. It requires obtaining really good talent and getting that talent to play hard in both ends of the court. It is really that simple. Those two things happen coaches will learn have to manage games.
I didn’t know Larry Brown was asst coach @ Memphis! He’s a great coach he has also been around the block several times (16 various coaching jobs) wow !!!
Hubert Davis knocks off defending National champion in very strange fashion
Hubert now doesn't look quite like the failure that some were claiming earlier, does he? A coach without head coach experience defeats a #1 seed and a defending national champ, imagine that!
no, it takes adjsuting on the fly to what the other team does, that's good coaching. anyone, like cal, can run a product onto the court, and stick with a singel type of system, see mack and pack line d, and never adapt, they jsut keep doing the same thing thinking their team is jstu not executing properly. anyone can recruit players, teaching htem to rebound pass, driblle, move withotu the ball and set picks, then also adjsuting agains thte other team is coaching. any moron can put a team together, and any moron can recruit to what they need, but a coach takes what he had ans adjusts. hubert davis blew a 25 poitn lead and made no adjustments. terrible coaching, he just got lucky. coakc K, tom izzo rick pitino are the current great coaches, they coach every single possession.
Not bad.
Is he going to get to the Final four ? Win a title or squeak in the NCAAT with a 17-13 record.
Winner-I have been saying this for a really long time. Coaches are great or good when they have good/great players. The suck when they don’t. No matter what system a coach runs it is fueled by players. Calipari is a great example talent when it is better than everyone else it takes you a long way. However when that talent equalizes you are vulnerable.
The transfer portal slows the whole learning process down. It takes time for teams to come together i.e North Carolina. The ACC was in a transition phase. They lost several keys players in the portal. It took them longer to come together. Look at Texas another team that was transitioning they are going to be a problem
After hearing everything about Payne he is going to get players. I think he will land kids this year turning some heads. However it is still going to take some time to get is rolling.
Penny’s current coaching success is not based on Penny’s coaching decisions. It is based on the assistant coach sitting on the bench making those decisions for him, his name is Larry Brown.
Then they should of fired Brown when they were struggling. Come on man stop with your nonsense. He either gets credit or not. There is no middle ground because he is the head coach.
Keep up before posting they quit struggling and began to grow when they bought Brown in. Penny is the Head coach and Brown is the X’s & o’s guy. You might not like it because you want to give the credit to Penny but that is the way it is. Penny sucked without Brown, they are a good match for the program.
I did keep up he was hired this year. They struggled right out the gate. They got better when Bates got hurt and started going through Duren.
The fact is Brown was there when they are struggling. He can’t be the reason for success and not failure doesn’t work that way unless you want it to fit your narrative.
In his 4 years as the Head Coach of Memphis this is his best year. I guess one might argue winning the NIT last year could be considered his best year but not Memphis fans. The fan base although disappointed they went out in the 2nd round admit they showed vast improvement over the past few years. The majority of the fan base attribute that to the hiring of Larry Brown
I am sure if they don’t continue to improve and get better each year they will become unhappy again. Memphis like Louisville is a far cry from what they used to be. Penny is able to recruit good talent he just hasn’t been able to do a lot with it. It will be interesting to see if Brown and Penny can make this team better next year or if they stay at the same level.
I am sure if they don’t continue to improve and get better each year they will become unhappy again. Memphis like Louisville is a far cry from what they used to be. Penny is able to recruit good talent he just hasn’t been able to do a lot with it. It will be interesting to see if Brown and Penny can make this team better next year or if they stay at the same level.
I think Memphis improved as a team when Bates got a lesser role on the team. Ironically it will depend on rather Bates comes back, and how much he improves as to how good the team will be next year imo.
so to make this simple, who are the ex-league champion coaches available that for some reason no one will hire as a head coach but they make great assistants for us? penny has brown (one of the greatest coaches in history, top 10 for sure), howard has martelli, who are we going to get? that's the overall point, now we have to go out adn hire two coaches also. that's the great thing about nick saban & belichick they hire coaches and tell them what to do, not the other way around. what's going on in our situation is we, like michigam and memphis, are hiring ceo's who can recruit then gambling on what coaches they can hire and what they can be told. we are are teaching them on the fly.
LOL KP doesnt need any of our advice running his program and thank god of that ! I'm sure he knows who and what he needs . I'm just gonna sit back and watch him transform this program.
“I can’t do this on my own. Let me repeat that - I can’t do this on my own. I don’t have all of the answers - I wish I did but, I don’t. I need all of you - let me repeat that - I need all of you.” - Kenny Payne.
I guess we can add listening comprehension to reading comprehension as things you suck at.
Larry Brown stay at Memphis for more than one year? Let's not hold our breath on that one. He's a real short-timer everywhere he goes.
Anyway, the debate over hiring a head coach without head coaching experience versus an up-and-comer with head coaching experience (like Chris Mack 4 yrars ago,, but that didn't work out too well) doesn't really need to continue any longer, since the decision has been made.
I'm not sure there is a better choice for bringing back some of that 70's and 80's excitement (unless we can get in the Hot Tub Time Machine and bring back Denny from 40 years ago) outside of Kenny Payne. Here's hoping that everyone can get on the Payne Trayne! I'm on board.
For this to work he has to have great assistants. We will get a good indication how well he is respected by the quality of his assistants.
Come on man. You're smarter than this. Do you really think KP is up there saying "Dudes, I won all those games, but I don't know what the F I'm doing, please help me"? He's clearly trying to reunite the players and fanbase from all years. His message of "This isn't about me, it's about you" was his main theme.
KP wasn't my #1 guy (Muss) or #2 guy (Drew) but he's the guy. So, to use a military phrase, the boots are on the ground and we're in, let's win.
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Well first of all - thank you I guess. 😀
Pretty sure you missed the context of my post, specifically as it related to the post I was replying to. There’s a pretty big space between him describing this as a collaborative process needing everyone to buy in, and “I don’t know what the F I’m doing”. I was suggesting the former - not the latter.
Congrats to Hubert Davis. Many were already calling him a failure two months into his head coaching career. He got things settled and has now led his alma mater to the Elite 8 despite no head coaching experience.
Pretty dang hard to fubar superior talent. Takes coaches like Cal, etc to do that. LoL
