Top Ten and ACC Upsets

[2330859]

IU, NCST, UNC, VT lose and ND barely survives as Cards stand strong.

For those who question CJW for playing HVL too many minutes, just look at the other ACC coaches and how their “go to” kids are playing 36+ minutes …. it is not only the standard, it is becoming a necessity for so many teams. Hyman for the Cuse played 38 minutes, and any less would have resulted in a major challenge for the Orange to remain competitive against the Cards last night. Miles played over 35 minutes against Miami, and the Irish would have likely lost that close game without Olivia on the floor.

 

[Bardman]

233 you are arguing for argument sake. What has been said is that when you have the depth and a player isn’t ‘on’ sitting them for a couple of minutes isn’t such a bad thing. Maybe you are one of her parents, I don’t know, but no one has said she isn’t valuable and should be playing a lot of minutes. I want her on the floor as much as possible too. If you notice she had to sit last night due to foul trouble - they survived. Also, if you noticed at the close of the first half. HVL took a shot, missed…Konno got the rebound and should have taken the shot. Instead she immediately looked for HVL, passed her the ball and the shot was missed. Why? I say a bit of an over reliance on HVL. I am not saying HVL was demanding the ball; yet, Konno clearly thought she needed to get the ball to her. My guess is CJW told Konno afterwards she shoukd have shot the ball.

 

[ulcards1]

HVL was incredible last night and she played 31 minutes.

 

[2330859]

To the contrary Bardman, I think you may not understand either the issue or my point; it is about CJW doing exactly the right thing with HVL rotation, and consistent with what all of the ACC coaches are doing ...... specifically playing their "go to players" as many minutes as possible ...............you can confirm for yourself by examining the ACC Team's Box Scores that show just how many minutes the key players are on the floor.

In all fairness, Your using that one single play as some example of HVL having a negative affect on Konno by her not taking a shot, and instead looking to HVL for the shot, is not convincining me of anything other than Konno recognizes that she is struggling offensively in her limited time on the floor. Konno has been ill and injured and has missed a lot of games as a result.

As ulcards1 just pointed out, HVL was spectalcular last night, and after listening to Jeff's post game radio interview; it confirms what some of us have been saying all along .......... just how HVL makes her teammates more effective when she is on the court. Further evidence of that can be seen by Carr's most impressive 3 point shooting last night, which was in part a resultof those open looks from the Cuse defense that was chasing HVL around, and trying to deny her the ball.

 

[Bardman]

I have not said HVL isn’t a critical piece of this team or more probable - the most critical piece. This all started because a few of us had the audacity to suggest that HVL could have used a breather during the OSU game. Again, opinions and viewpoints. Some have gotten very prickly just because others have stated anything perceived as negative towards a player or our coach. I have not read anything like that. At the end of the day it is CJW’s team and he is going to make his decisions. He has done that pretty well over time and no one is arguing that.

 

[2330859]

"This all started because a few of us had the audacity to suggest that HVL could have used a breather during the OSU game. Again, opinions and viewpoints"

No Bardman, your above quote was never stated in that form during this "back and forth" exchange as "just a breather". You are walking your previous statements back now, as it has always been clear from the very start that "it is CJW's team and he is going to make his decisions".

You are entitled to you opinion, as I am to mine. You took exception to my OP and accused me of being "argumentative", and now "very prickly"? I am neither; I was only defending Jeff's intentional design for playing HVL as many minutes as possible.

It takes a full roster to win Championships, but it appears we can agree on one thing; it is Jeff's Team, and HVL is the one he wants on the floor as much as possible. If Jones, Carr or the others can continue to improve and assert themselves in a more leadership role ............... perhaps HVL will indeed get more breathers.

 

[KozmasAgain]

This didn’t start because people were complaining about her minutes there was a lot more said than that. People were talking about her minutes, her passing, her shot selection, her leadership. A lot more was being said than just her minutes I guess you missed it. I like this team it is still growing and the team will continue to get better.
If there is anything I would want the rest of the team get from HVL it would be her energy. She give’s everything she has in every game. If we can get the starting 5 to score in double digits every game ( we are almost there ) we are a top 5 team.

 

[FlavRunit]

IU, NCST, UNC, VT lose and ND barely survives as Cards stand strong.

For those who question CJW for playing HVL too many minutes, just look at the other ACC coaches and how their “go to” kids are playing 36+ minutes …. it is not only the standard, it is becoming a necessity for so many teams. Hyman for the Cuse played 38 minutes, and any less would have resulted in a major challenge for the Orange to remain competitive against the Cards last night. Miles played over 35 minutes against Miami, and the Irish would have likely lost that close game without Olivia on the floor.

It’s not difficult to research playing minutes. None of those teams mentioned has a player playing more than 32 minutes per game. HVL averages 36+.

 

[2330859]

FLAV: i would direct you to the big ACC games on Thursday night where the ”go to” players for those respective teams were on the floor between 35 to 38 minutes. HVL would have been on the floor more had she not had the two fouls in the first half.

The season averages that you are using are a little misleading, as most of those ACC teams with better records than UL, are a result of their weaker non-conference schedules.

 

[2330859]

This discussion about HVL minutes played is a subtle criticism of Jeff’s coaching. We are spoiled by the success and the perennial top 10 and even top 5 rankings, so when we start out ranked preseason, but have 4 early losses, it is understandable that fans look for explanations, particularly when Peyton abruptly decides to transfer.

Jeff knows what he is doing with this rotation, and as he stated in his post game remarks …… if a player is not contributing in practice, it will directly affect their opportunity for minutes during the games.

Just to be clear, my expressed opinions is in defense of CJW and his decision as to who plays in the games, and how long they are on the court. I simply disagree with you and others that think you are in a better position to determine who plays and how many minutes they should be playing. I respect your opinions, I just disagree.

 

[Bardman]

233 - but do you get this is a message board for sharing opinions? We are all allowed to question any, and all, of our coaches - that is what fans do. I love CJW and hope he is here for another 20 years. Yet, that doesn’t make him infallible. This all started when we got run out of our own gym by OSU. It was a nasty lose and sometimes that just happens. So of course multiple people, including myself, shared their opinions. The fact we are on here talking about our WBB team with such fervor says a lot. I guarantee there are few other schools discussing their WBB team like this.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I don’t think anybody is disputing anybody from expressing their opinions they just aren’t agreeing with your opinions so they are debating it.

 

[2330859]

Bardman …..of course this is a venue to express opinions, and I can assure you this exchange is not about restricting your freedom to share your thoughts and opinions.

However, you seem to think it is one way; one where you are offended when others are disagreeing with you. If you really believe those opinions that you have have posted as worthy of maintaining ……. I have no problem with it, as you should be equally willing to acknowledge that I can respectfully disagree.

I assure you I am not challenging you personally, I just disagree with your position; nothing more.
BTW, Happy New Year!

 

[Bardman]

I, for some reason, am being singled out. Not sure why. I’ve been posting on this board for over a decade and never have received these sorts of responses. Multiple people, just on this board, thought HVL should have been taken out of the OSU game for various reasons. If someone else didn’t think so…not a big deal to me. Then Sonja attacked posters for sharing their opinions - and yes, she attacked posters. I didn’t even think she was directing her ire towards me as I never directed anything towards her at all. I wanted this to die, from my end, but I am upset about it.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I am not attacking anyone I consider it debating the conversation. I have opinions that some poster’s don’t agree with and I am good with debating if it.

 

[2330859]

Bardman: I ditto what Koxmas just responded, and to add to his note; my responses to you were only based on what I interpreted as your responses directed to me. Either way, we may disagree on a relatively small aspect about UL's WBB team, but I have never intended to disrespect you or your opinions. I more often find agreement with your on other threads and subjects, as well as others members who I may disagree with from time to time.

I agree with you 100% about Sonja, and appreciate your raising that situation up here. I know that neither you or I said anything remotely close to justify her responses, and after reviewing the exchanges on that thread, I have no clue as to what prompted her taking leave. As a matter of fact, I was on record many times thanking her for her contribution to so many of her posts on numerous threads.

My apologies if my comments offended you or were interpreted as "attacking", as that was never my intent.

BTW, Happy New Year!

 

[Bardman]

Bardman: I ditto what Koxmas just responded, and to add to his note; my responses to you were only based on what I interpreted as your responses directed to me. Either way, we may disagree on a relatively small aspect about UL's WBB team, but I have never intended to disrespect you or your opinions. I more often find agreement with your on other threads and subjects, as well as others members who I may disagree with from time to time.

I agree with you 100% about Sonja, and appreciate your raising that situation up here. I know that neither you or I said anything remotely close to justify her responses, and after reviewing the exchanges on that thread, I have no clue as to what prompted her taking leave. As a matter of fact, I was on record many times thanking her for her contribution to so many of her posts on numerous threads.

My apologies if my comments offended you or were interpreted as "attacking", as that was never my intent.

BTW, Happy New Year!

🎈 I appreciate that - really.

 

[2330859]

We are good Bardman!