Until Pitino changes his ways bottom line. I mean in the way he treats and handles freshmen. He barely plays them at all. Now he plays them more because he has to but, what freshmen would want to come to UL? Look at Aaron that kid can't even get a sniff. Until Pitino changes his tune we will have roster projects mostly every year. Imagine this team with Deangelo Russell? Why don;t we have him??? Because Pitino is stubborn. Just tired of watching this Bull. Pitino makes so much money, plays in the nicest facility around, fan support etc. No way the roster should ever be this weak.
This Louisville program won't make the next step
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OP can you define "next step" for me?
We've played in 2 of the last 3 FFs and we won a title. We made the 2nd weekend last year.
Duke lost to Mercer. KU lost 2nd rd. UK went to the NIT two years ago. UCLA and IU are in incredibly bad shape. UNC is floundering. What is this next step exactly?
What I'm getting at is next step that you want may not be possible for any program?
Now, if you are saying, you'd like to see overall changes with FR production, ok that is something. But, what does that equal in terms of post season success? Sure, if we had Rusell or Trimble playing the PG with Rozier we might have more wins right now, but would that guarantee post season success?
Looking at Alexander's issues at Kansas right now, sitting out games under investigation. We went through that with Aaron, that didn't work out well for him or us.
It's a tough business, marquee FR.
We've played in 2 of the last 3 FFs and we won a title. We made the 2nd weekend last year.
Duke lost to Mercer. KU lost 2nd rd. UK went to the NIT two years ago. UCLA and IU are in incredibly bad shape. UNC is floundering. What is this next step exactly?
What I'm getting at is next step that you want may not be possible for any program?
Now, if you are saying, you'd like to see overall changes with FR production, ok that is something. But, what does that equal in terms of post season success? Sure, if we had Rusell or Trimble playing the PG with Rozier we might have more wins right now, but would that guarantee post season success?
Looking at Alexander's issues at Kansas right now, sitting out games under investigation. We went through that with Aaron, that didn't work out well for him or us.
It's a tough business, marquee FR.
Yea, an HOF coach doesn't know how to manage his team!
We need to look for his replacement right now.....hope you have your resume ready....sounds like you really know basketball and how to coach/manage young freshman. (sic)
Or maybe....you should just root for that other team that has so much success using that brand. Taking short cuts always comes back to bite ya in the butt.....any savvy manager/leader of young men.....or men in general, will tell you that. Building your house on a sandy beach rather than on rock is a recipe for disaster, sooner or later. CRP is earning his money this year...if you fail to see that.....well.....look beyond the obvious.
Quoted for truth. Sounds to me like the OP has a little Lexington envy going on. It's OK OP, the drive down I64 isn't that long. Have fun.Originally posted by Mayoman:
Yea, an HOF coach doesn't know how to manage his team!Even though he is at practice every day watching the kids work, observing their attitudes and work ethic, ability to grasp and learn concepts like playing 'defense' and the like....imagine the nerve of this coach not playing a highly rated 'recruit' just because he was all that in High School. The nerve of that guy.
We need to look for his replacement right now.....hope you have your resume ready....sounds like you really know basketball and how to coach/manage young freshman. (sic)
Or maybe....you should just root for that other team that has so much success using that brand. Taking short cuts always comes back to bite ya in the butt.....any savvy manager/leader of young men.....or men in general, will tell you that. Building your house on a sandy beach rather than on rock is a recipe for disaster, sooner or later. CRP is earning his money this year...if you fail to see that.....well.....look beyond the obvious.
What is the next step? The Cards have been great in the post season the last few years.Its not over and Pitino still has time to get this team playing its best in the post season.He has proved over and over he is a great Coach,Im sure he knows who is ready to play and who is not.What reason would he have to not develop or play freshmen? When they take the next step they will play.The Cards have had more wins than anyone the last 3 years and thats not by playing in a mid-major or sec type conference.We dont need a WWW to recruit for us.This is not a weak roster and with next years recruits we will have another good team to watch develop.Some will step up and some wont,but by the end of the season they will be at their best.Its not Pitino who has slowed the progress of this team.Like most Card fans there were years that I thought he did a poor job.The uofk fans like to compare the first 4 or 5 years of Cals job at uofk vs job Pitino did his first 4 or 5. Of coarse Calipari had more success,he had oad NBA ready players,so did Pitino,but they didnt have to go 1 year of college then and who knows what would have happened if it were oad then.Just bad timing so you cant really compare.Still dont know what you mean by the next step.Players have left early for good and bad reasons so the roster has changed more than expected,so next man up,no excuses,coach em up,and Go Cards!
What Pitino has accomplished here the last 3 years probably could not have been duplicated by any other coach in the country. Getting that 2012 team, which was terribly limited offensively, to a final four and hanging with UK in that game was incredible. Remember, our #1 overall seed title team was headlined by a 2 star guard, a junior transfer from a mid major, and a center that was so widely disrespected coming in that Jeff Goodman criticized our excitement about him being eligible. Harrell was still very raw that year - our only true HS "star" on that team was Siva. Last year we got double screwed, being underseeded by 2 lines and playing a 2 seed in an 8 seed's clothing.
You want to get on Pitino for poor recruiting, not developing his bench, etc, etc, go ahead. But realize that without him we don't have 2 FFs and a title to show for the last 3 years. Look at what K, Self, Roy, Donovan have done the last 3 years with far superior talent. Only the guy up the road has matched Pitino, and it takes him a stable full of ready made NBA players to do it.
This post was edited on 3/5 11:57 AM by KRJ1975
You want to get on Pitino for poor recruiting, not developing his bench, etc, etc, go ahead. But realize that without him we don't have 2 FFs and a title to show for the last 3 years. Look at what K, Self, Roy, Donovan have done the last 3 years with far superior talent. Only the guy up the road has matched Pitino, and it takes him a stable full of ready made NBA players to do it.
This post was edited on 3/5 11:57 AM by KRJ1975
I will admit I'm concerned about the future simply from watching the underclassmen this year.Originally posted by zipp:
Originally posted by KeepingItReal74:
I truly like the direction RP has the program heading.One rule change won't derail it.
"Elite program", my a$$...
Yes, they will improve. But they will have to improve a LOT.
I can't sell CRP short because he's made something from not much too many times. It was mentioned he worked a miracle to get the '12 team to the FF. Miracles don't happen often.
I have nothing to base this on, but it wouldn't surprise me if CRP retired in a year or two. It's just a look he gets sometimes.
What else does he have to prove?
We have 1 JR and 1 SR on our current roster. We are beyond young. The next 2 or 3 years will be special!
UofL doesn't need to reload, it needs to totally retool. I don't know if it is in Pitino to do it. Looks like it will probably take 2 to 3 years to get back into the top 10. In the meantime I will enjoy when they win and not be disappointed when they lose.
As many of you know I can be as critical of the players, coaches, etc. as any fan on this board. That being said, I still want Pitino as our coach. I think he has already looked in the mirror understanding that the buck stops with him. That is why recently he has started to verbalize to the press, etc. of his need to get shooters in the program - and plenty of them. We have some upcoming bumps the remainder of this season and next year too, but he will turn it around. I truly believe he will win another NCAA title in the next five years prior to retiring.
This post was edited on 3/5 2:13 PM by ShortCreek
This post was edited on 3/5 2:13 PM by ShortCreek
Hey OP,
UofL currently has 7 losses. Last years runner ups had 12. That was with the number 1 overall recruiting class
AND playing 3 or more freshmen.
Go back two years. That same program, with another number one recruiting class, lost 13 games and went to the NIT.
After starting freshmen.
2010 defending champs, UNC , with 8 McDonald's all Americans, went to the NIT.
Besides, the season isnt over. UofL has a .001chance in winning the title. So that mean we have a chance.
If playing 4 or 5 freshmen won the title, every season , everyone would be doing it.
Coach Pitino plays freshmen, when theyve earned it or beat out upperclassmen.
With so many freshmen this year, he did need to play them more to prepare for next s3ason, however , none
have redshirted, save Matz.
OP = failure
UofL currently has 7 losses. Last years runner ups had 12. That was with the number 1 overall recruiting class
AND playing 3 or more freshmen.
Go back two years. That same program, with another number one recruiting class, lost 13 games and went to the NIT.
After starting freshmen.
2010 defending champs, UNC , with 8 McDonald's all Americans, went to the NIT.
Besides, the season isnt over. UofL has a .001chance in winning the title. So that mean we have a chance.
If playing 4 or 5 freshmen won the title, every season , everyone would be doing it.
Coach Pitino plays freshmen, when theyve earned it or beat out upperclassmen.
With so many freshmen this year, he did need to play them more to prepare for next s3ason, however , none
have redshirted, save Matz.
OP = failure
Final Fours, and to a much greater extent, titles, are hard to come by.
CRP amassed overwhelming talent in his time at UK, watched most of them become upperclassmen, and won one title. Dean Smith won 2. CRP has brought us a title and 2 final four appearances. I think it is highly likely we would have been in the final four last year had we beaten UK. The NCAA tourney is a fickle beast. This season isn't over. We've seen many teams limp into the tourney with glaring issues and make runs. Keep the faith.
CRP amassed overwhelming talent in his time at UK, watched most of them become upperclassmen, and won one title. Dean Smith won 2. CRP has brought us a title and 2 final four appearances. I think it is highly likely we would have been in the final four last year had we beaten UK. The NCAA tourney is a fickle beast. This season isn't over. We've seen many teams limp into the tourney with glaring issues and make runs. Keep the faith.
And Championship Banners that can be hung without Velcro.Originally posted by zipp:
Originally posted by KeepingItReal74:
I truly like the direction RP has the program heading.One rule change won't derail it.
"Elite program", my a$$...
We are in great shape because CRP takes these 3-4 stars and turns them into great teams. Watch this Frosh class when they become Juniors they will reap harvest. Next year if Rozier comes back we will be a final four team. We are a type of team that will either get beat first round of NCAA or make it to sweet 16 and knock off a 1-2 seed that's who we are . I believe we still can make it deep.
Zipp, I think you may be using too broad a brush as well, saying that bad attitudes come with "most" highly rated guys. I don't see Duke having problems with Okafor or Winslow or Jones, or Myles Turner being a problem in Texas, or anyone at UK sticking out as being a team cancer. Sure, there are some bad apples - Cousins was a headcase, Chane had a personal problem, Caracter was lazy, the Harrison twins are moody etc. But there are plenty of good kids out there who come in and play at a high level for 1 or 2 years, don't cause any problems, and move on. We should be able to get some of those guys. With the way CRP makes lemonade out of lemons, a few can't miss guys certainly wouldn't hurt.
I did say "most" which, technically speaking, means anything greater than 50%. I have no stats to say what the percentage of bad attitudes is. And finding examples where it is and isn't doesn't defeat that argument.
I just want Pitino to successfully find the less-than-50% guys in the pond he's fishing in. And if that's too difficult for him to do, he needs to recognize that and move to a pond with smaller, less tasty fish.
Unlike some, I don't wanna change the fisherman. I wanna change the fish. With the watered down talent in college basketball, you don't need huge fish.
For those focused down I-64, too many of the best fish are in LPT's boat at the moment. But that's just a temporary situation until the NCAA figures out how to jab holes in it.
You stick with your system which most people embrace, and you figure out how to exploit it...
I just want Pitino to successfully find the less-than-50% guys in the pond he's fishing in. And if that's too difficult for him to do, he needs to recognize that and move to a pond with smaller, less tasty fish.
Unlike some, I don't wanna change the fisherman. I wanna change the fish. With the watered down talent in college basketball, you don't need huge fish.
For those focused down I-64, too many of the best fish are in LPT's boat at the moment. But that's just a temporary situation until the NCAA figures out how to jab holes in it.
You stick with your system which most people embrace, and you figure out how to exploit it...
Point taken Zipp, and like you I don't think anything anywhere NEAR as drastic as a change in coach or philosophy is required. I like the way we are doing things. We get attached to players because they are actually here for longer than 5 months or so.
I do think that the occasional monster 1 and done talent would be welcome though. Maybe we can get those guys, maybe not. I hope we are doing our best to try though.
I do think that the occasional monster 1 and done talent would be welcome though. Maybe we can get those guys, maybe not. I hope we are doing our best to try though.
Yes we may be.
But the old adage keeps coming to mind- "I have good news, and bad news. The good news is everybody is back. The bad news is....everybody is back"
I'll be pulling and cheering, and keep my expectations in check.
Then if they're "special", it will be a surprise.
I just saw a set of numbers that said we had more first year players play more minutes than any UL team under Ruck. Remember we had seven first year players. Developing a couple of freshmen into the lineup is one thing, but Rick has had to spread coaching among seven kids. How they do will depend on them working on basic skills this summer. I hear that several of our ex players will be here this summer. We will have a couple of surprises come next fall.
Same hater, different post. It never stops with this one. Another comment about how much money the coach makes. Who cares how much money CRP makes? Seriously? If he made less, would you be OK with this season? What about the championship season or 2012 FF? Do we owe him money for those?
It does appear only a UK fan trying to make UofL fans look stupid would have started a thread like this
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We don't need an NBA team in Louisville. We already have an NBAD league team in Lexington. Not much in terms of education there are lots of recruiting titles. They even have an nit appearence once every three or four years just to change things up. UK is also leading in NIT trips in the last decade.
Pitino has had great success in the long term running the system he runs. He ran this system in the Big East, playing in the best basketball league ever. It was murderer's row going up against those teams night after night. Not only did Louisville do well, but the team walked away with trophies. And then there's the Elite 8's, Final Fours and Championship. Long term success.
This year the team happens to not be elite, probably just good. Still 23 wins (so far).
So all of a sudden, some people want to question everything Pitino does in his system. It's an over-reaction.
Louisville was good before Siva-Russ-Dieng under Pitino. It's not just the individual players, though the players are of course important. It's the system and the coach that has brought tremendous long term success.
This year the team happens to not be elite, probably just good. Still 23 wins (so far).
So all of a sudden, some people want to question everything Pitino does in his system. It's an over-reaction.
Louisville was good before Siva-Russ-Dieng under Pitino. It's not just the individual players, though the players are of course important. It's the system and the coach that has brought tremendous long term success.
