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Wrong place, wrong time. He should never took that job. It was doomed to fail from the beginning.
Charlie would've been better suited for Miami. I like Charlie, but am really appreciative that you guys took him from us.
Jeff brohm from western would be an excellent choice but Texas is hell bent on Herman.
Charlie was not media savvy at Louisville, said it the day he was hired that the media in Texas would be his downfall, not being able to schmooze the high school coaches and get the right recruits is the death nail.
Texas needs an ambassador, then a coach.
Too many chiefs for any coach to succeed in Austin.
Charlie never made a big (decent) splash with the fans or media here. But our fanbase was fine with that. He recruited a lot of good kids here..a lot from Florida. I don't think we'd be where we are now if we still had him as HC. Strong was a great bridge from the dismal days of ___________ to the now days of Petrino. Like all the other football coaches who left Louisville, the grass isn't always greener.
Charlie would be just fine if the Texas boosters would be patient and let him do his job. Unfortunately for Charlie (and Texas), the boosters are panicking that LSU is going to beat you to Tom Herman, so they are ready to flush Charlie 4 games into his third season, instead of giving him the rest of this year to get you where you need to be. Obviously this year you aren't going to challenge for a national title, but this year you will go bowling with at least 8 wins in the regular season, and next year when a lot of his young players are a year older, you very well might be challenging for that national title.
It's not nearly as bleak as it looks at the moment, because great offensive teams are going to score points and amass big yardage totals no matter how good your defense is. Cal, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma State all have great offenses, so they scored a lot of points. UTEP was not, so they scored only 7 and had only 208 yards total.
Surprisingly, he has done well with the media and recruits. His problem has been bad decisions with hires and philosophy.
I think he was safe and then the same problems are showing up again in year three as we had in years 1 and 2. Double digit losses are starting to mount up higher than Everest.
2014 double digit losses (6-7)
BYU 7-41
Baylor 7-28
K. St. 0-23
TCU 10-48
ARK 7-31 (59 yards of offense)
2015 double digit losses (5-7)
Notre Dame 3-38
TCU 7-50
Iowa St. 0-24
WVU 20-38
2016 double digit losses (2-2)
Cal 43-50 (dude dropped the ball at the one to end the game)
Ok. St. (49-31)
12/29 are losses by double digits and a 13-16 w/l record will get you fired most places.
His defense sucks, and with the talent Texas can get, that is inexcusable. The question is why? We had a great defense here, with much less resources, so not sure what's going on there.
Charlie knew what the expectations were going in. Harbough has Michigan rocking in one year. Year three and Texas is still struggling. No excuse. Too much talent. Time to cut bait. He had his chance.
Charlie knew what the expectations were going in. Harbough has Michigan rocking in one year. Year three and Texas is still struggling. No excuse. Too much talent. Time to cut bait. He had his chance.
He had the same coordinators as he had at UofL. The outside perception is that you guys are too impatient and are too political. Fortunately Louisville has the most benevolent dictator - Tom Jurich - running the show. Cards fans have the utmost faith in his judgement.
Those coordinators were awful at Texas and IMO is because they didn't see the spread so much at Louisville on defense and you had Bridgewater a pro style, smart QB who thrived in Watson's pro offense.
I think at this point we should be seeing progress and we see none. Same mistakes are being made. Texas had the worst defense in school history last year. We are currently in the 100's on defense right now.
Sounds like you already got things figured out. What did you need our opinion for?
One word... Culture. Coaches leave here and then realize it.
You may already know, Charlie wasn't the first...
You may already know, Charlie wasn't the first...
The recipe doesn't always work when the environment changes.What worked here might not work elsewhere.Without knowing more,that's only a guess.
Louisville always was a no pressure environment and that allowed coaches to build their programs without looking over their shoulder. UT is completely opposite. A lot of pressure to perform. Charlie is not build like that. At least not yet. He very well might learn in the future how to handle pressure cooker like Texas, but he is not there yet. And thus results are not pretty. It was my believes from beginning that he was making huge mistake. As I said before UT was wrong place for him at the wrong time.
Most of our fan base appreciates what Strong did during his limited time at UofL but virtually everyone predicted that he would fail at Texas.
Strong is simply not a great HC. He is an excellent recruiter (from Florida) and has a great rapport with his players. But he does not manage a game well and is awful at planning and in-game adjustments. Many of his games at UofL (other than the bowl games) were downright painful to watch even when winning -- and that was with superior talent against inferior (G5) competition. And he did not endear himself to the fans (other than a booster's wife) at all; was actually insulting on several occasions. He is just not politically savvy -- which is an absolute requirement for the Texas job.
So in summary, average HC and lack of political acumen is why most predicted failure at Texas. At UT, you need someone who is above average in both of those categories.
Strong is simply not a great HC. He is an excellent recruiter (from Florida) and has a great rapport with his players. But he does not manage a game well and is awful at planning and in-game adjustments. Many of his games at UofL (other than the bowl games) were downright painful to watch even when winning -- and that was with superior talent against inferior (G5) competition. And he did not endear himself to the fans (other than a booster's wife) at all; was actually insulting on several occasions. He is just not politically savvy -- which is an absolute requirement for the Texas job.
So in summary, average HC and lack of political acumen is why most predicted failure at Texas. At UT, you need someone who is above average in both of those categories.
I suggest hooking him up with more big-bootied MILFs with huge racks. Inspired him here, apparently.
In all seriousness, Charlie is a fine coach, just not a fine coach for you. He just wants to coach football and be left alone, not kiss babies and make the media love him. If the JR Ewing-types would stay out of his business and let him be for a few years, he would be fine. He did great at Louisville, he had an AD that supported him and a patient fanbase.
Now, you won't get that response from most folks here, because they are comparing Charlie to Petrino and I think all agree that Petrino is a Top 5 coach in NCAAF. Charlie is not a Top 5 coach. He's a very good one and one that will win. If you let him, but you won't. It was a bad fit from the beginning.
Charlie's first team was under-manned but was well-coached and played within themselves. It was a team filled with Krag's reKruits. Now, I agree the competition wasn't Big12, but it was at the level that they were at so there's something to be said for it. CS's philosophy was to use the offense to protect the defense, use clock, and let Teddy bail out drives as-needed. Now you have an OC running that up-tempo stuff, which is completely against his philosophy. Hence a crappy defense.
Had friggin Teddy Bridgewater and could barely score 30 points/game in the AAC!
Had a great defense here and great recruits. I'm pulling for him but wouldn't trade for him.
Good to gain perspective from people who know CS IMO. Seems like yall's view aligns with most on Orangebloods (rivals). Thanks for the input!
It was good to read these comments. Very insightful.
I think Charlie is a good man. We need a good coach.
I wish Charlie the best but I can't wait until Herman gets here.
I think Charlie is a good man. We need a good coach.
I wish Charlie the best but I can't wait until Herman gets here.
Great comments, but the whole "you have to be a politician to succeed as Texas head coach" narrative is wrong. Strong is not a politician and that didn't matter one bit. His first mistake was bringing Watson and Bedford with him, and the list goes on and on from there.
Good stuff.
By the way, I love Lamar Jackson. Man crush. Good luck the rest of the way.
By the way, I love Lamar Jackson. Man crush. Good luck the rest of the way.
Coach Strong seems to be a decent enough person, but he seemed to be in over his head from day one at UT. At UofL, he was lucky enough to have Teddy Bridgewater as his starting QB, so he concentrated on his strength as a coach, which was the defense. He recruited well enough on that side of the ball to compete in the BE with 2 conference championships. He got hungry talented players who the elite programs passed on and frankly, they had a bit of a chip on their shoulders. They had something to prove, just like coach Strong felt HE had something to prove.
I wish him the best but he's going to feel the same sting of failure other coaches have felt after leaving UofL for bigger and better things. Hope he lands on his feet and is able to be happy again. He begged for the job in Austin, he got his chance, and he failed. Time for the people at UT to make a move.
I wish him the best but he's going to feel the same sting of failure other coaches have felt after leaving UofL for bigger and better things. Hope he lands on his feet and is able to be happy again. He begged for the job in Austin, he got his chance, and he failed. Time for the people at UT to make a move.
Power Program = Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, and USC.
Those 17 programs have accounted for 45 of the last 50 NCs won. BYU, GA Tech, Pitt, Colorado, and Washington were the others.
Would it change your mind if you knew that of the 25 coaches who've won a NC at a power program in the last 43 years, 19 of them won their first NC within their first 4 years on the job? Or, that of the 81 coaches who've coached at least 29 games for a power program over that same time frame, Charlie's record is the 4th worst (44.8%)? Or, that the worst winning percentage of an eventual NC winning coach through their first 29 games, was 65.5% by Bobby Bowden & Lou Holtz. They are the only two with a winning percentage below 69% through 29 games, who went on to win a NC at that school. And, 13 of the 25 coaches who won a NC at a power program were above 75% through 29 games. Charlie's winning percentage is over 20 percentage points lower than the lowest winning percentage of any NC winning coach in the modern era who coached at a power program.
How much more time does he need? For him to become a NC winning coach, he would have to not only defy history, he'd have to shatter it. The only coach with a winning percentage below 60% who turned out decent was John Cooper. He lasted 13 seasons before eventually being fired. He finished his Ohio State coaching career with a 2-10-1 record vs Michigan, a 3-8 record in bowl games, just 3 conference titles, and 2 NC runner-up finishes. That's as good as it has ever gotten for any coach that has started with a record below .600 in his first 29 games.
Texas doesn't need patience. You know everything you need to know about whether a coach is going to be a NC caliber coach within the first 2 years. Just think about it. 25 coaches at 17 power programs have accounted for 38 of the last 43 NCs. 19 of them won their first NC within 4 years.
Won NC in 1st year:
* Larry Coker
* Dennis Erickson
Won NC in 2nd year:
* Bob Stoops
* Barry Switzer
* Gene Chizik
* Urban Meyer (Florida)
* Jim Tressel
Won NC in 3rd year:
* Nick Saban (Alabama)
* Gene Stallings
* Lou Holtz
* Dan Devine
* Urban Meyer (tOSU)
* Barry Switzer
* Pete Carroll
* Lloyd Carr
* Les Miles
* Dennis Erickson
* John Robinson
Won NC in 4th year:
* Pete Carroll
* Urban Meyer (Florida)
* Jimbo Fisher
* Jimmy Johnson
* Danny Ford
* Nick Saban (LSU)
It's time to move on. We know everything we need to know.
Cal is not a double digit loss.
13-16 record will get you fired at Texas. Howard Schnellenberger was 8-24-1 in his first three seasons at UofL, yet our athletic department was convinced that Howard was the only man for the job and stuck with him. The result of that patience was a Fiesta Bowl championship over Alabama, a Liberty Bowl championship over Michigan State, the building of Papa John's Cardinal Stadium, expansion 12 years later and a third one 8 years after that. We went from being an independent to CUSA, to the Big East, and to the ACC, and we are now ranked in the top 25 more often than not and are contenders for the ACC championship and a spot in the college football playoffs.
The problem is not Charlie. The problem is that Texas was divided about whether he should have been hired in the first place, and that division is causing your boosters to fail to commit fully to the man, like Louisville did when he was here. That will be your downfall, unless someone in charge at the University of Texas has the courage to tell everyone associated with the program to kindly STFU.
I can agree he's not the best with media, but by all accounts he's done an A+ job with hs coaches and recruiting is great considering his on field results.
His downfall is bringing an AWFUL staff with him when he had an open check book to bring in legit cordinators and AWFUL in game management
Well, guess what, Iceman ... Bobby Petrino is going to do it here, and when he does, it won't fit your narrative, so plan on revising it.
And you either commit to Charlie Strong FULLY (and that means quit effing with his assistant coaching hires), or plan on losing to him every time you face him when he goes to another school where they DO commit to him fully. The man knows more about how to win football games than either you or I do, despite your "homage to the virtues of impatience."
You have to be a pretty terrible coach not to succeed in some fashion at UofL with an AD like Tom Jurich. The ones who left here for greener pastures that weren't fired find that out pretty quick.
Herman would destroy him with Greg Ward Jr. at quarterback. Unfortunately at Texas, you aren't getting Greg Ward with that deal.
Are you comparing your first 3 years of Petrino to our first 3 with Strong? Seriously?
Petrino was well within the parameters of success that Iceman defined for his first 3 years.
Flip rosters and Herman still beats Charlie by 25.
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This...
If a school fully commits to him and let him do what he does and that is build a program watch out. Charlie at South Carolina and especially Georgia would be scary.
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