From longtime NY sportswriter Phil Mushnick. Some great lines in there and you can't argue about the facts once again. Enjoy and Go Cards!
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Pretty funny column about Cash Cal and UK.
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I think a lot of sportswriters are pretty unhappy with the "state" of the game - can't blame them.
Please, there are no "facts" in that piece... a poorly written opinion piece, facts need not apply.
FACT: "Finally, a team without false collegiate pretense, a team that plays on courts stripped of scholastic varnish".
FACT: "Finally, a team fronted by a major university that knows we know that
this team now annually has the same relationship to college as pigeons
do to stone soldiers standing in town squares.
FACT: " No team has made it so clear that its full scholarship recruits aren't
"student-athletes," but assembled to spend seven months using Kentucky
as a luxurious basketball facility. Then off they go!"
FACT: "John Calipari used to play the phony pretense game. He played college
coach at Massachusetts then at Memphis. He won big, too, but bolted each
as it was being punished for pretending to be a college."
Just a few that I had time to dig out of there. Actually the writer is bashing the system that allows one and done NBA farm schools and gives the Squid his due for using the system that makes a joke out of the term "student athletes".
Some time ago, someone on here found an archived UK fan thread that showed what people really thought about Cal when he was at Memphis. That should tell you all you really need to know.
Again, all of those points are the writer's opinion. Hence why I said no facts and why I said poorly written. I have no problem with people having a negative opinion of Cal or UK, but call it what it is... opinion.Originally posted by Louisvillian:
Yes because every national column that rips UKay and the Squid are "poorly written". Too bad more media guys don't have the balls to tell it like it is.
FACT: "Finally, a team without false collegiate pretense, a team that plays on courts stripped of scholastic varnish".
FACT: "Finally, a team fronted by a major university that knows we know that
this team now annually has the same relationship to college as pigeons
do to stone soldiers standing in town squares.
FACT: " No team has made it so clear that its full scholarship recruits aren't
"student-athletes," but assembled to spend seven months using Kentucky
as a luxurious basketball facility. Then off they go!"
FACT: "John Calipari used to play the phony pretense game. He played college
coach at Massachusetts then at Memphis. He won big, too, but bolted each
as it was being punished for pretending to be a college."
Just a few that I had time to dig out of there. Actually the writer is bashing the system that allows one and done NBA farm schools and gives the Squid his due for using the system that makes a joke out of the term "student athletes".
Until there is evidence otherwise (you know, innocent until proven guilty) UK is playing by the rules. Don't like the rules, change em... UK has a strong Graduation Success Rate and APR (going pro does NOT count against you). The kids go to class, do their work, volunteer... plus they play together, share minutes, celebrate each other and the school... things you would expect of college kids. If it wasn't UK, we'd all be celebrating them.
You know this how?Originally posted by OneEarWonder:
The kids go to class, do their work, volunteer..Originally posted by Louisvillian:
Yes because every national column that rips UKay and the Squid are "poorly written". Too bad more media guys don't have the balls to tell it like it is.
FACT: "Finally, a team without false collegiate pretense, a team that plays on courts stripped of scholastic varnish".
FACT: "Finally, a team fronted by a major university that knows we know that
this team now annually has the same relationship to college as pigeons
do to stone soldiers standing in town squares.
FACT: " No team has made it so clear that its full scholarship recruits aren't
"student-athletes," but assembled to spend seven months using Kentucky
as a luxurious basketball facility. Then off they go!"
FACT: "John Calipari used to play the phony pretense game. He played college
coach at Massachusetts then at Memphis. He won big, too, but bolted each
as it was being punished for pretending to be a college."
Just a few that I had time to dig out of there. Actually the writer is bashing the system that allows one and done NBA farm schools and gives the Squid his due for using the system that makes a joke out of the term "student athletes".
It is pure conjecture. Even for an opinion column it grasps and loosely tries to tie things together.
Go to class. I have a grandson who had a class that Knight was in and he never ever saw him. Ever. Cal just said they never take computer classes and Knight was on Twitter in the second week of April talking about the preparation for the NBA in California. Someone else was with him. One poster said he had advanced placement in the 2nd year. There is no such thing for athletes. They have to take a minimum amount of hours per semester. My nephew graduated from St. X and was number 1 in his class and was only allowed 9 credit hours or three classes. I get tired of that crap about what great students they are. If they really are concerned about education they would stay. After taking the likes if Cuz, Wall, Jones, and several others, it became clear that UK will take anyone.
The new thing now GSR, which really is about as worthless as APR. According to the Time magazine study male KY athletes had a male graduation rate of 55% for the two major sports, yet had an acceotabke APR rate. All you have to do is count to be able to see that UK graduates virtually nobody except walk ons and guys who never play. Everyone who was involved with UK's tour after their title knows that guys like Jones and Davis were asking for money and in London Jones spoke to nobody.
UK fans have bought into Cal lock, stock and barrel . We have the site saved when Čal's name came up and the first 25 posts were entirely negative. Even Matty Jones went nuts. Now they all swear by him. If you believe that Cal didn't know Camby had a condo that all the players used in the weekend or about his 25% grad which was written about this week again. Their were pictures all over the place with his bling on. Or having arrests in three different cars in his time there. He didn't know that Rose had taken his ACT test in Detroit(WWW's) home base. The one that really stood out was Cal not noticing that Rose's brother on the team plane nine times. I've yet to see any one and done actually get a degree and it has been brought up many times. Cal left both jobs before the NCAA swooped in making him a coward and a liar. He actually banned a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter from the Boston Globe who acquired the information about his grad rate.
If Cal couldn't get degrees for kids staying four years in Boston or Memphis, how could you possibly expect us to believe that players staying one year, or two if that can't go the NBA ,care one bit about education. You like to think that they are in love with Lexington and Cal, but it's simply not true. We've been around UK for a long time and they just can't do anything but cheat.
The average stay in the NBA is three years and according to a SI study 72% of NBA players were broke within five years of leaving the league. Now with Rex Chapman we have four different UK players going to prison in just two or three years. They've had dueling child molesters, a murderer, and two rapist in the past. It's about education, but mostly entitlement abd it's gone on for 70 years. They do what they want while they are there an it eventually catches up with them. UL has had three players forced out of the program just for smoking weed in just the last 18 months. With two of these players last year we could easily have won a title last year and been much better this year. I have never seen a UK player sit for one minute for missing a class or weed. We have standards here and sometimes they can hurt you. Rick has had over 80 ex players and coaches go on to basketball jobs. 27 of them have become head coaches. Ten are head coaches in the NCAA this year alone. That is what life is about and we can look ahead to having a lot UK pkayers out there who couldn't even coach at junior high level, simply because they don't even have a degree. You can have Cal, but acting like he's clean makes me puke.
The new thing now GSR, which really is about as worthless as APR. According to the Time magazine study male KY athletes had a male graduation rate of 55% for the two major sports, yet had an acceotabke APR rate. All you have to do is count to be able to see that UK graduates virtually nobody except walk ons and guys who never play. Everyone who was involved with UK's tour after their title knows that guys like Jones and Davis were asking for money and in London Jones spoke to nobody.
UK fans have bought into Cal lock, stock and barrel . We have the site saved when Čal's name came up and the first 25 posts were entirely negative. Even Matty Jones went nuts. Now they all swear by him. If you believe that Cal didn't know Camby had a condo that all the players used in the weekend or about his 25% grad which was written about this week again. Their were pictures all over the place with his bling on. Or having arrests in three different cars in his time there. He didn't know that Rose had taken his ACT test in Detroit(WWW's) home base. The one that really stood out was Cal not noticing that Rose's brother on the team plane nine times. I've yet to see any one and done actually get a degree and it has been brought up many times. Cal left both jobs before the NCAA swooped in making him a coward and a liar. He actually banned a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter from the Boston Globe who acquired the information about his grad rate.
If Cal couldn't get degrees for kids staying four years in Boston or Memphis, how could you possibly expect us to believe that players staying one year, or two if that can't go the NBA ,care one bit about education. You like to think that they are in love with Lexington and Cal, but it's simply not true. We've been around UK for a long time and they just can't do anything but cheat.
The average stay in the NBA is three years and according to a SI study 72% of NBA players were broke within five years of leaving the league. Now with Rex Chapman we have four different UK players going to prison in just two or three years. They've had dueling child molesters, a murderer, and two rapist in the past. It's about education, but mostly entitlement abd it's gone on for 70 years. They do what they want while they are there an it eventually catches up with them. UL has had three players forced out of the program just for smoking weed in just the last 18 months. With two of these players last year we could easily have won a title last year and been much better this year. I have never seen a UK player sit for one minute for missing a class or weed. We have standards here and sometimes they can hurt you. Rick has had over 80 ex players and coaches go on to basketball jobs. 27 of them have become head coaches. Ten are head coaches in the NCAA this year alone. That is what life is about and we can look ahead to having a lot UK pkayers out there who couldn't even coach at junior high level, simply because they don't even have a degree. You can have Cal, but acting like he's clean makes me puke.
Cmon now, those 3 goofy little white kids that wear uniforms will graduate. Cal runs a tight ship.
Hey Briggs,
2 words.
Chris Jones.
And as far as Saint Pitino,
Where was he when Antoine Walker needed him.
You are a FOOL if you think ALL of these coaches aren't about winning. Period.
Enjoy watching next weekends games when your team is done and the fans are left hoping Ricky lands another Juco rapist to make up for his lack of recruitng.
After all people are guilty until proven innocent in your world, right?
2 words.
Chris Jones.
And as far as Saint Pitino,
Where was he when Antoine Walker needed him.
You are a FOOL if you think ALL of these coaches aren't about winning. Period.
Enjoy watching next weekends games when your team is done and the fans are left hoping Ricky lands another Juco rapist to make up for his lack of recruitng.
After all people are guilty until proven innocent in your world, right?
At some point the kids have to grow up and take care of themselves. Antoine Walker made a hundred million bucks and threw it away, that isn't Pitino's fault. What about Mashburn? He's in business with Pitino and Avare and is very wealthy. There's a bad example for every good one. It's just the nature of the beast when you are talking about kids brought up in bad circumstances without a father in the house. I know that isn't always the case but it's very prevalent among the culture of basketball players.
There are so many problems with this argument that I don't even know where to begin, so I'll just hit a couple. The Time magazine study was talking about the overall male student population, not athlete population. And Louisville only graduates 50% of its male students, so I still fail to see how this is a strong argument in your favor. I know I'm right because you got the article from a link I posted.
Second, you claim that since UK players aren't kicked off the team for smoking weed, UK must be turning a blind eye to weed smoking. Ever thought that they just might not be smoking weed because they have an NBA future? You see a lack of people being punished, and instead of thinking they might be innocent, you think they're cheating. It's a sad, silly, jealous argument. Innocent until proven guilty is an amazing thing.
Third, your claim about your grandson is hearsay, and is not admissible in court. Do I expect a Louisville fan to be honest about seeing a student in class? Probably not. Once again, innocent until proven guilty.
At some point we will publish the numbers for arrest and prison again, it's UK who leads by better than two to one. In term of prison UK leads by leaps and bounds. You are bring up someone who has not even been to the grand jury. I do know this and that's the fact that almost every person at that gathering will be in Chris's corner. The young man doesn't even have a ticket and your condemning him. Name five starters for Cal who have graduated. Case closed.
I still don't see hiw Rick's night if too much wine is so terrible while Cal leaving Kansas with his AD's wife is OK. Rick's foundations and his center in Owensboro have made a difference in literally tens of thousand of lives yet we still hear about something that took place 13 years ago. The man has made a difference and wins without cheating and graduates players. It is still legal to play in the NBA if you have a degree. Just a thought.
As far as Atwood's lies I don't even know where to start. Except that anyone saying KY graduates more players than Rick is a blatent lie. These GSR and APR numbers simply show that Čal's not graduating anyone. Our kids are actual students and athletes and they come back to stay in the community when their playing days are done. What UK is doing is playing the system and looking at the 500,000 votes on ESPN, everyone is aware if it. You may win but respect never will come from college.fans. As always UK will find another way to beat the system.
I still don't see hiw Rick's night if too much wine is so terrible while Cal leaving Kansas with his AD's wife is OK. Rick's foundations and his center in Owensboro have made a difference in literally tens of thousand of lives yet we still hear about something that took place 13 years ago. The man has made a difference and wins without cheating and graduates players. It is still legal to play in the NBA if you have a degree. Just a thought.
As far as Atwood's lies I don't even know where to start. Except that anyone saying KY graduates more players than Rick is a blatent lie. These GSR and APR numbers simply show that Čal's not graduating anyone. Our kids are actual students and athletes and they come back to stay in the community when their playing days are done. What UK is doing is playing the system and looking at the 500,000 votes on ESPN, everyone is aware if it. You may win but respect never will come from college.fans. As always UK will find another way to beat the system.
I appreciate you attributing those numbers to me, but they aren't mine, they belong to Time Magazine and the NCAA. Kentucky graduates 55% of all males who attend school at Kentucky. Louisville graduates 50% of all males who attend school at Louisville. Notice I didn't say athletes, those numbers are school-wide. No one is saying that Cal graduates more players than Pitino, we all know that isn't true.
As far as getting degrees, I'm all for it. But you can be sure than I'm not going to wish that someone would sacrifice the chance to earn money and begin a career, to come back and play another year for college. I want these guys to succeed. To say that a player should forgo millions of dollars to come back and play another year at your favorite school is selfish.
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