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Ohio State Jaquan Lyle quits team

Is he also involved in throwing U of L under the bus with Katina? Can't really remember the deal with him.
 
You and I agree. Not too sure everyone else here does... :confused:
Not for sure if being sarcastic or not, but U of L recruits and offers several OAD players. Two of the top ten are still undecided and both have offers from UofL. Both will more than likely be OADs.

Would you turn them down if they decided to sign with UofL?
 
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Not for sure if being sarcastic or not, but U of L recruits and offers several OAD players. Two of the top ten are still undecided and both have offers from UofL. Both will more than likely be OADs.

Would you turn them down if they decided to sign with UofL?

No I wouild't turn them down but I'd much rather have a guy that will actually go to classes for more than one semester. But WTH that's just me.

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Yeah, the issue is not that you don't want OAD kids. It's that they're not your top priority. You want kids that fit your program, not make your program fit them. There are certainly exceptions, but too many of them are knuckleheads for my liking in general...
 
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OAD seems to work up the road really exceptionally well. i don't know what Calimari does but i can't really remember his team having any knuckleheaded one and dones. They seem to end up at kansas all the time. could be they just know how to cover things up in Lex. Anyhow i'll take a OAD at U of L any time ! So i guess you guys don't want Langford here if does choose Cards whatever.
 
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Well I don't want a pissing contest here but do you remember a guy by the name of Cousins. The ultimate knucklehead.

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What issues did he have other than a salty attitude. He didn't do anything off the court that drew any negative legal issues their. Or maybe i'm wrong.. Thats what i call a knucklehead when they do things in the public that cause legal issues. These guys are kids still at least in the first year.
 
That's because OAD kids fit the program they have established. Slight difference to ours.

If Romeo succeeds here, it's probably because he's not the typical OAD kid...
Point was made about OAD being a problem. Not about them fitting here or their. And my only point is UK hasn't had any issues with any so far that i know of. Sometimes you have to give credit. Maybe you guys know of some issues with OAD at that school that hasn't been brought out.
 
Point was made about OAD being a problem. Not about them fitting here or their. And my only point is UK hasn't had any issues with any so far that i know of. Sometimes you have to give credit. Maybe you guys know of some issues with OAD at that school that hasn't been brought out.
I don't give a damn what LPT does, and I like it that true OAD kids wanna go there. If you can attract them in large numbers, you can better filter out the knuckleheads. But that's their issue to manage, not ours.

We have had legit OAD-caliber kids come here and be NOT be successful early, which is why many don't wanna come here. And that's not our system anyway. Works out just fine--we all understand that...
 
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You can't really compare UKs lack of disciplinary issues with OAD with any other program. UK has their pick of the recruits more so than any program in the country. Obviously Cal doesn't get everyone he wants but statistically speaking they relatively have their pick of the litter...and in doing so Cal can scout, nitpick and hand select which kids he wants based on pure ability, future NBA ability, coach-ability, and personality. When you hand pick your recruits, you're more likely to have success. This is a big part of why UK kids have been pretty good in the NBA. UL doesn't have than luxury. Rick can still pull very talented kids as evident by his class rankings but he's not getting the pick of the litter...he's getting the best of what he can get.

Something else nobody ever really discusses is that UK is ran like a pro team with semi-pro players...its a different mentality down there. Most of UKs roster is filled with kids that will likely play in the NBA so that mentality limits the shenanigans. Most programs don't have a roster that at any given time is probably 75% filled with NBA draft picks...so doing something stupid for them could cost them millions of dollars. Most programs like UL might have 1 or 2 NBA kids on it but the rest of the roster are talented college kids who likely either wont play pro ball or will play overseas...that can lead more dumb choices.
 
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This is a big part of why UK kids have been pretty good in the NBA.

The ones that are good in the NBA were elite coming into college. That's it. No need to try to roll-up a laundry list of analysis to explain it.

You may spot an outlier or two that don't fit that criteria. Maybe. At the same time you can find guys that were elite coming into college that aren't good in the NBA too.
 
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Lots of guys shun UofL - some end up doing great, others maybe don't.

Lyle had a known attitude problem in HS. I'm sure Pitino viewed him as a player that he could help and vice versa.

The guy is/was a talented player. I don't know if he was ever considered a OAD.
 
The ones that are good in the NBA were elite coming into college. That's it. No need to try to roll-up a laundry list of analysis to explain it.

You may spot an outlier or two that don't fit that criteria. Maybe. At the same time you can find guys that were elite coming into college that aren't good in the NBA too.

No I agree with you. I think nearly all of the kids from UK that are great in the NBA right now would have been great no matter where they went. My point was that because UK can handpick their kids they get those kids that are elite and need very little coaching.
 
No question Lite can filter whom he wants to put on scholly.

We're lucky to get a traditional OAD kid of good character to even consider us. And that's as expected for a kid who wants to more or less slide through that "year" of college. No need to learn a complex offense, play defense with tremendous effort, or become a workout freak.

OTOH Pitino wants all of that stuff or as much as possible--you get no credit for being five stars.

And none of this info is newsworthy...
 
No question Lite can filter whom he wants to put on scholly.

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Not completely true. He's had a swing and a miss a few times. Guys are just as likely to want to go to Duke, or just somewhere random. I believe the #1 player initially went with Washington, and might have changed to Missouri after the Washington coach was fired.

Calipari is assembling the top classes overall, no doubt. But he's not always getting the top shelf guy - and while it may or may not be true, it feels like the top jewel could be a requirement to reach the highest level using the program "strategy" Calipari has incorporated.

It's hair splitting - but it's also that fine line between one of your favorite topics - titles, or under achievement!!!
 
Lite's job may be getting a little harder landing the top guys, but his recruiting record speaks for itself. There's little question he gets the attention of most Top 20 kids.

When he swings and misses on a recruit, he has the luxury of just moving to the next kid on his radar. And my point is he can skip over the true knuckleheads, which is why he doesn't have much trouble with that type of recruit.

It's the same analysis as how many of his ex-players succeed in the pros. They would succeed without his help, just like he doesn't have to bring in knuckleheads to get 5-star kids. Neither has much to do with his coaching; his lack of titles does...
 
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