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Reply with excuses, go right ahead. AD's don't keep their jobs when their inferior rival beats them like a drum. Football is a pretty important sport. If it weren't, we wouldn't have fought like hell these last 40 years to gain national relevancy. Has it been all for naught? Starting to feel like it with VT in charge. Hey, at least we got the Alley.
 
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sUcKs won 3 of the last 5 at Papa John's with Tom Jurich as AD.

And it's Vince's fault for the 2018 game, right? Tom gets no blame there?

Also, is it Vince's fault that Tom Jurich made an embarrassing decision to bring back Bobby Petrino when no one else wanted him? Let him hire family on staff, lose the team, run off coordinators, and ignore defense and offensive line recruiting? A guy that screwed EVERY SINGLE PLACE he's ever worked, so it's not like a "oh well how could we know?!"

I mean football is a pretty important sport, how could a sport as important as football get ignored like that as to what was going on in the program? Also the same guy that scapegoated Jeff Brohm and fired him to save Steve Kragthorpe's tail one more year?

But yeah, Vince, the guy who had to clean up hurricane Bobby 2.0 and find the way to get $14 million for a buyout (Tom's contract negotiation) and go out and find a coach to clean it up. And after being the worst Power 5 team in 2018, in the 2 full non-COVID years we've been bowl eligible. But we didn't win OUR SUPER BOWL.

I mean if we'd went 5-7 but beat sUcKs, some of you'd build a statue. I don't like how we looked in the game. I don't know if Scott is the right guy going forward. But we put way too much stock in 1 freaking game. Some of you that are mad just had unreasonable expectations. Go read my posts for 2-3 years, this is what I kept saying would happen that we'd hit a rough spot due to Bobby giving up recruiting and the transfers lost.

This is what rebuilding looks like and idc who is coach, Jeff Brohm wouldn't be doing better. Because it's not like it's been gravy at Purdue and who the heck would he have brought in to fix this defense? Because Brohm is similar to Bobby in not really focusing heavily on defense or bringing good coordinators with him. We'd be in the same spot.
 
Agree with CardX but here is my take:

Team showed up for Clemson, team didnt show up for UK.
Satt doesnt understand rivalry games, never had one at App St.
 
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Reply with excuses, go right ahead. AD's don't keep their jobs when their inferior rival beats them like a drum. Football is a pretty important sport. If it weren't, we wouldn't have fought like hell these last 40 years to gain national relevancy. Has it been all for naught? Starting to feel like it with VT in charge. Hey, at least we got the Alley.

Things you may call excuses, I might call context. I do agree that the game this year was an all systems failure.
 
Agree with CardX but here is my take:

Team showed up for Clemson, team didnt show up for UK.
Satt doesnt understand rivalry games, never had one at App St.
Also, we were a beat up team and not deep. Had injuries.

sUcKs basically had 2 weeks of Vandy and NM State. As bad as Cuse was, that still was a decent team we had to get up for and played hard. Duke was a beatdown, but we still went into the game and played tough.

sUcKs had 2-3 weeks of preparing for this game. Rested players and put their all into this week. They were a high ceiling and low floor team. Their issue was unforced turnovers, they didn't turn it over. They gave an A+ effort overall. We just didn't have the gas to finish them off. Sometimes in football you can just see a team that doesn't have much left in the tank.

sUcKs was rested and fired up. They're deeper and more talented, so they had a lot more to give. We'd just thrown the kitchen sink at the season. I mean after Ole Miss, we reached down and beat UCF & FSU. After the terrible close losses to Wake and UVA, we came off the bye and beat BC. After tough physical battles and losses to NC State & Clemson, we came out and just dominated a solid CUSE team and carried it over to Duke. I just think there wasn't any gas left in the tank and sUcKs had a perfect storm of being fired up combined with their talent edge.
 
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Also, we were a beat up team and not deep. Had injuries.

sUcKs basically had 2 weeks of Vandy and NM State. As bad as Cuse was, that still was a decent team we had to get up for and played hard. Duke was a beatdown, but we still went into the game and played tough.

sUcKs had 2-3 weeks of preparing for this game. Rested players and put their all into this week. They were a high ceiling and low floor team. Their issue was unforced turnovers, they didn't turn it over. They gave an A+ effort overall. We just didn't have the gas to finish them off. Sometimes in football you can just see a team that doesn't have much left in the tank.

sUcKs was rested and fired up. They're deeper and more talented, so they had a lot more to give. We'd just thrown the kitchen sink at the season. I mean after Ole Miss, we reached down and beat UCF & FSU. After the terrible close losses to Wake and UVA, we came off the bye and beat BC. After tough physical battles and losses to NC State & Clemson, we came out and just dominated a solid CUSE team and carried it over to Duke. I just think there wasn't any gas left in the tank and sUcKs had a perfect storm of being fired up combined with their talent edge.
It is sometimes hard to explain defeat like we took against Kentucky Saturday. Society expects immediate success of others, maybe not themselves. The football program was near rock bottom in our last coaches year. Vince fired him prior to the Kentucky game that year when it was obvious that the team had quit on him. Sattefield took the leftovers from that disaster and went to a bowl game and beat an SEC team in the bowl. His second year, his team played in front practically empty stadium due mainly to virus fear and a talent depleted team. This year we are once again bowl bound with an improved but young team. On a 12 game schedule, we were in 10 games and now competitive in the other two games, both maybe top 20 teams. We were not a top 20 team but we competed well with all of the others. Next year looks promising as we return must of our teams and our incoming freshman prospects, while low on numbers, looks like quality. The big unknown is the transfer issues. That is difficult to measure, but it has positives and negatives both ways. I am sorry to see Jordan Watkins express his need to visit the transfer portal. We will miss him but many have a short term view of the future. We knew two years ago, when we hired Satterfield, that this would not be a short process in rebuilding our talent and numbers in the program. I, for one, will purchase my football season tickets next year and watch and hope for that next step forward. Howard Snellenberger use to say, "we will coach the ones that we have". I for one will support those coaches and players.
 
Look, the argument over whether to retain CSS or hire Brohm (or any coach for that matter) should not be whether we can afford it, but who is the better coach and who brings stability to a much needed program.

Lets first look at the fan’s perspective. Fans are important right? How many Purdue fans want To fire Jeff? I’m sure like any program, they think he can do better especially what he’s being paid. But on the other hand, they’re not clamoring for a new hire unlike a majority of Cardinal fans. Purdue fans know what they had before Jeff and like UK with Stoops, who can they get that’s better? U of L’s fans have tasted success and won’t stand for mediocre performances. Again even though a lot of U of L fans say they like Scott, they also not sure he’s the right man for the job. He only costs less.

Brohm understands the rivalry. Satterfield has admitted he didn’t understand it. He still doesn’t. Anybody think that a guy who grew up in Louisville would tolerate our recent losses to the kitties. Please don’t go back to Petrino. I’m talking about moving forward not backward. We could still lose but I guarantee you changes would be made swiftly.

Brohm knows that local recruiting is important and Louisville does have talent in the city. Rondale Moore was one example.

How can anyone argue who has the better offensive mind? I’m sure Brohm doesn’t have sweep to the short side of the field followed by sweep to the other side of the field as his best 2 options.

Take both coaches with the same U of L team today, give them 10 days to play Clemson in a winner to ACC championship game and tell me, honestly, which coach could come up with a win? Brohms a better big game coach without a doubt.
 
The argument has to start with whether the UofL athletic department can afford it, and it also must include who you can get to replace him.

If you tell me you've got (1) the CSS buyout covered, (2) the money to hire Jeff Brohm away from Purdue, and (3) enough left over to cover all of the name, image and likeness deals we will need to ensure Jeff is able to recruit at an ACC championship level ... then I invite you to quit messing around on this message board, contact Vince Tyra at vince@gocards.com, and get this done today.
 
The argument has to start with whether the UofL athletic department can afford it, and it also must include who you can get to replace him.

If you tell me you've got (1) the CSS buyout covered, (2) the money to hire Jeff Brohm away from Purdue, and (3) enough left over to cover all of the name, image and likeness deals we will need to ensure Jeff is able to recruit at an ACC championship level ... then I invite you to quit messing around on this message board, contact Vince Tyra at vince@gocards.com, and get this done today.
How did Michigan St. “afford” Tucker’s 95M deal? Perhaps Tyra should reach out to several of the deep pockets to see about a collaboration to cover the costs you mention. While he’s at it - he could do a better job of raising funds overall.

NIL deals come from outside funds - not the university.
 
How did Michigan St. “afford” Tucker’s 95M deal? Perhaps Tyra should reach out to several of the deep pockets to see about a collaboration to cover the costs you mention. While he’s at it - he could do a better job of raising funds overall.

NIL deals come from outside funds - not the university.
That’s the thing. How to go about reaching out to corporate Louisville and surrounding counties to see if they would support bringing a local guy home. Let’s get it done Vince. It’s a winning situation for you.
 
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How did Michigan St. “afford” Tucker’s 95M deal? Perhaps Tyra should reach out to several of the deep pockets to see about a collaboration to cover the costs you mention. While he’s at it - he could do a better job of raising funds overall.

NIL deals come from outside funds - not the university.
I've got an extra million laying around, are you in too? :cool:
 
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sUcKs won 3 of the last 5 at Papa John's with Tom Jurich as AD.

And it's Vince's fault for the 2018 game, right? Tom gets no blame there?

Also, is it Vince's fault that Tom Jurich made an embarrassing decision to bring back Bobby Petrino when no one else wanted him? Let him hire family on staff, lose the team, run off coordinators, and ignore defense and offensive line recruiting? A guy that screwed EVERY SINGLE PLACE he's ever worked, so it's not like a "oh well how could we know?!"

I mean football is a pretty important sport, how could a sport as important as football get ignored like that as to what was going on in the program? Also the same guy that scapegoated Jeff Brohm and fired him to save Steve Kragthorpe's tail one more year?

But yeah, Vince, the guy who had to clean up hurricane Bobby 2.0 and find the way to get $14 million for a buyout (Tom's contract negotiation) and go out and find a coach to clean it up. And after being the worst Power 5 team in 2018, in the 2 full non-COVID years we've been bowl eligible. But we didn't win OUR SUPER BOWL.

I mean if we'd went 5-7 but beat sUcKs, some of you'd build a statue. I don't like how we looked in the game. I don't know if Scott is the right guy going forward. But we put way too much stock in 1 freaking game. Some of you that are mad just had unreasonable expectations. Go read my posts for 2-3 years, this is what I kept saying would happen that we'd hit a rough spot due to Bobby giving up recruiting and the transfers lost.

This is what rebuilding looks like and idc who is coach, Jeff Brohm wouldn't be doing better. Because it's not like it's been gravy at Purdue and who the heck would he have brought in to fix this defense? Because Brohm is similar to Bobby in not really focusing heavily on defense or bringing good coordinators with him. We'd be in the same spot.
Thank you for replying with the requested excuses. Yes, Jurich, while AD, lost to UK in football. He did not, however, get butt raped three consecutive games, nor is he an alum of UK who apparently doesn't seem to mind the butt rapings. There's no fight in this team, and that starts at the top. If you want to minimalize the importance of the UK game, congrats, you've been defeated as a fan. The ass kickings have worked. Your fan apathy is duly noted. This program has become soft. It's 100% on the person in charge of it.
 
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Thank you for replying with the requested excuses. Yes, Jurich, while AD, lost to UK in football. He did not, however, get butt raped three consecutive games, nor is he an alum of UK who apparently doesn't seem to mind the butt rapings. There's no fight in this team, and that starts at the top. If you want to minimalize the importance of the UK game, congrats, you've been defeated as a fan. The ass kickings have worked. Your fan apathy is duly noted. This program has become soft. It's 100% on the person in charge of it.
No no, he went on a 4 game losing streak because he wanted Steve Kragthorpe so freaking bad that he fired Jeff Brohm to keep him an extra year. Remember the 27-2 loss at home?

And Vince had NOTHING to do with the 2018 game. Sorry. Nope. That's Tom's game from Tom's coach that we had to fire. Or wait? It's Vince's fault for not firing Bobby after the 2017 season because had Tom stayed he would've fired Bobby sooner and Jeff would've been here in 2018 and that collapse wouldn't happen.

Tom's coach cost us this program. Tom's coach had his DADDY contact the newspaper and beg sUcKs to hire him before they hired Stoops. That is true, it happened. Tom's coach left a trail of lies and deceit everywhere he went from Bobby 1.0, to the Falcons during the season, to the Arkansas Motorcycle, and then Bobby 2.0

Tom's coach? He was responsible for the 2017, 2018, and 2019 classes that are the upperclasses on our team. The 2020 and 2021 are the new ones. But it's Vince's fault because he should've used his time machine to make Bobby work harder. Actually, Vince told Bobby to stop recruiting and told players to transfer to wreck the program on purpose? He along with Bevin and the UK board that conspired to take down UofL Sports?
 
Conversations like these confirm the program is in borderline shambles at best.
But no one admits WHY it's in shambles.

Tom Jurich wanted a splash to start the ACC era off, he hired Bobby Petrino who no one else wanted and betrayed/lied to us about the Falcons job after years of flirting with other jobs. That's why it's the way it is right now.

Jeff Brohm said NO in 2018. We made a hire that everyone seemed fine with at the time. But some just think Vince Tyra got marching orders from Matty Bangz to hire a secret UK mole to sabotage the program. In football, not every hire is a home run. Heck, we don't even have enough proof as to whether Satt's era is a success.

I mean we saw the 2018 season and were just hoping for 4-8 in year 1 and to get back to competitiveness by years 2 and 3. But no, this entire thing is fed by an obsession with those blue hillbillies in Lexghanistan. No amount of logic or anything else will matter, it's all about that game no matter how everyone here claims they don't care.

We aren't in shambles. This is not a great roster. The talent on it is freshman and sophomores. There's not much depth and no real NFL prospects in the upper classes, that Scott didn't recruit. We're going to a bowl, again. We'll be better next year.

Shambles is going 2-10 because Tom Jurich hired Bobby Petrino and gave him an insane buyout where he could just quit trying. Shambles is having the worst defense in power 5 history. That's where we were just 3 years ago. It's better. We think it's shambles because Lamar had us at the brink of a playoff appearance, but then we came back to Earth. Charlie brought in some great classes and got to feast on a weaker Big East and had time to build, also got lucky with Teddy if we're being honest. Then he hands it off to Bobby and it looks good, then as Bobby ruins the talent, we luck into the greatest player of ALL TIME. We think it's easy and we belong in the top 15 all the time.
 
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But no one admits WHY it's in shambles.


We aren't in shambles.
You're kind of up and down here. First you want to talk about why the program is in shambles, then you say the program is not in shambles.



At the end of the day, it's a game of semantics. Shambles, bad, not good, etc.

Review the T10 threads on the page, and they are all some type of reference to some sh!tty situation within the program.

Who are the HC candidates? Who were the HC candidates 4 years ago? Why did Joe Blow leave? Why couldn't we get Brohm? Why are we getting waxed by UK lately? Who are the OC candidates? What is the simple reality? Do we have the $ to make a move? Will we make a move? When will we make a move if we don't? Why aren't we good? Why is Satt a bad fit?

Etc, etc. etc.

Posters arguing with each other about the degree of shitty options. What is and isn't acceptable. What is and isn't the best path forward.

Shambles.
 
You're kind of up and down here. First you want to talk about why the program is in shambles, then you say the program is not in shambles.



At the end of the day, it's a game of semantics. Shambles, bad, not good, etc.

Review the T10 threads on the page, and they are all some type of reference to some sh!tty situation within the program.

Who are the HC candidates? Who were the HC candidates 4 years ago? Why did Joe Blow leave? Why couldn't we get Brohm? Why are we getting waxed by UK lately? Who are the OC candidates? What is the simple reality? Do we have the $ to make a move? Will we make a move? When will we make a move if we don't? Why aren't we good? Why is Satt a bad fit?

Etc, etc. etc.

Posters arguing with each other about the degree of shitty options. What is and isn't acceptable. What is and isn't the best path forward.

Shambles.
The fans are in shambles. The program is not.

This is shambles. 2-10. Coach fired. Players quitting. 19 receivers and 8 linemen on scholarship. Worst defense in Power 5 History. Struggling to beat WKU and Indiana State. That's shambles. 6-6 with a good amount returning next year, with 3 key players injured all back too, that's progress.

I don't judge a season by 1-2 things, I look at big things.
1. We were competitive in 10 of 12 games.

2. We just got dominated by 2 SEC teams that are bigger and stronger.

3. A goal line stop from Clemson, refs at Wake, Field Goals against UVA, Malik's injury at NC State, we were in the 4th with a chance to win all 4 games. The luck went the other way. It's not like we got dominated, sometimes luck didn't go our way. Against UCF it went our way. In 2019, the luck went our way every time.

4. Scott only has 1st and 2nd year recruits. Young guys that lost 4 games in the 4th quarter. It's not like 2018 where there was no hope and it was getting worse. Football is about being competitive. We were this year and just choked. Getting back to 2016 Clemson combined with scandal fatigue and COVID has made the fans anxious.

This is shambles. 2-10. Coach fired. Players quitting. 19 receivers and 8 linemen on scholarship. Worst defense in Power 5 History. Struggling to beat WKU and Indiana State and blown out by Ga Tech. That's shambles. 6-6 with a good amount returning next year, with 3 key players injured all back too, that's progress. We all just forget where we were just 3 years ago.

 
The fans are in shambles. The program is not.


Fans are an important part of a program. They buy tickets. They impact recruiting. They help build a program.

There aren't gonna be many fans in the stands at the bowl. Ticket sales will be so bad. Turnout week 1 next year is not going to be a buzz. Fans left the last game early in the 3rd Q. Fans turned their TVs to something else at home.

Fans are checking out.

The last game the program "participated in" is not all that different from these games you're finding from a year or two ago out on You Tube that you're representing as shambles. Your evidence is not what you think it is.

These are dark times. It's unclear if you are in denial or just like to argue because you have some time to burn.

I fully understand the financial predicament. Gotta ride it out. Doesn't mean it's gotta be enjoyed.
 
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Fans are an important part of a program. They buy tickets. They impact recruiting. They help build a program.

There aren't gonna be many fans in the stands at the bowl. Ticket sales will be so bad. Turnout week 1 next year is not going to be a buzz. Fans left the last game early in the 3rd Q. Fans turned their TVs to something else at home.

Fans are checking out.

The last game the program "participated in" is not all that different from these games you're finding from a year or two ago out on You Tube that you're representing as shambles. Your evidence is not what you think it is.

These are dark times. It's unclear if you are in denial or just like to argue because you have some time to burn.

I fully understand the financial predicament. Gotta ride it out. Doesn't mean it's gotta be enjoyed.
No.

Not even close to 2018. Not even close to Kragthorpe. We seriously only were blown out twice, by 2 ranked teams. Then 10 other games that either were competitive or we blew the other out.

If you just don't think he's going to get us to the promised land of a Playoff appearance or ACC title? Fine. But I just want legit reasons rather than hyperbole of "worst hire ever! Worst the program has ever been!"

Differences?
-Bobby inherited Charlie's NFL loaded roster. It got worse and the program bottomed out.

-Kragthorpe inherited a Orange Bowl team with Brian Brohm, didn't make a bowl at all.

-Satterfield inherited a 2-10 team with 19 wideouts and 8 offensive linemen. The team overall is better than when he got here.


I can accept if you think we have a ceiling with Scott long-term and that's not where we need to go recruiting wise. I get it. But all the faults of Scott, you can apply to Brohm. All the excuses of Brohm's rebuild at Purdue and it being a hard place, you can apply here too.

Now if you want to talk Tom Herman or Dan Mullen types who are proven winners and know how to recruit at a high level, yes let's do that right now and I'll accept those names. But Jeff Brohm isn't suddenly coming in here and recruiting at a high level. He'll just be Bobby 3.0, but not a jerk. I'd rather get the next Charlie, like say a Luke Fickell or Mark Stoops type. Guys that can bring in athletes & talent

The reasons I hear for Jeff?
1. Local recruiting. I mean so what? Lexington is producing more talent that our city. Brohm isn't a great recruiter. We aren't some highlight destination either with a traditional fan base. We don't have a big base of recruits locally. Brohm doesn't have some Florida pipeline. I mean he flipped 2-3 WKU guys he recruited to Purdue and they're all out of the program.

2. Fun offense. Great and all, but Scott's offense overall hasn't been the issue. Not to mention, Jeff isn't known for defense or recruiting that side of the ball well. He's not going to be building some powerhouse. Sounds like more Bobby and less like the Charlie plan.

3. He'll take the UK game serious. Yep because we need to base our entire year on the outlook of 1 game. I mean if UK isn't on the schedule and say it's Tennessee or LSU that blows us out, we aren't as mad. Jeff wouldn't have beaten UK in 2018 and he wouldn't have this year either. Maybe we score some more points, but he's not changing the talent level.

This just sounds like we want it to be the 2006 Big East again, but we're playing big boy ball now.
 
I don't think fans are fired up about participation trophies. In a garbage league.

Not to speak for the room.
Fine with me if you all are consistent.

But every critique for Satt, it's Jeff Brohm gets an excuse for his average run at Purdue. Just be consistent. Say big names like Tom Herman or Dan Mullen. If we want to pay big money, give me a big time coach with more than 1 regular season above .500. If we're hard on Satt, be hard on Jeff with the same energy.

If we want better. Demand better. Not clamoring for Bobby 3.0 dreams and longing for the old days of the Labor Day Governor's Cup and no more L's Down. Clamor for Charlie's lines and talent blowing up Florida and Miami in bowl games.

It goes like
"Well Satt had issues with a rebuild and it takes time"
"OMG Satt lover, he's not good. We're tired of excuses"

"But Brohm struggled in the same areas..."
"Well Brohm actually inherited a mess and it's tough to rebuild. It takes time. Give him a break!"
 
No.

Not even close to 2018.
It was in shambles then.

It's in shambles now.

Pretty much.

Yes.

Again, you are splitting hairs. Playing the semantics game.

Whatever it is.

The rest of your post you are now shifting from massive hyperbole to straw man arguing.

You also aren't paying all that close attention to my posts, or context.

I'm indifferent on the HC. I'm just telling you what the vibe is right now.

Will you be fighting to be in the 3rd row on the 50 yard line for the bowl game? I don't think you will be.
 
It was in shambles then.

It's in shambles now.

Pretty much.

Yes.

Again, you are splitting hairs. Playing the semantics game.

Whatever it is.

The rest of your post you are now shifting from massive hyperbole to straw man arguing.

You also aren't paying all that close attention to my posts, or context.

I'm indifferent on the HC. I'm just telling you what the vibe is right now.

Will you be fighting to be in the 3rd row on the 50 yard line for the bowl game? I don't think you will be.
If I had money I would. I sat in a crappy Baseball stadium never dreaming we'd be a bowl eligible ACC team.
 
I don’t think we fire Satt and I think he can coach UofL to being an above average ACC team. However, as I’ve said from the beginning, I think he’s a bad fit for UofL on many levels. If we stay married it’s because of the kids and not wanting two mortgages. I think the relationship is devoid of love and will continue that way.
 
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Kragthorpe after three seasons: 15-21
Satt after three seasons: 18-18

For giggles...

JLS after three seasons: 23-10
BP 1.0 after three seasons: 29-8
Charlie after three seasons: 25-14
BP 2.0 after three seasons: 26-10

Tom owned up to his one mistake. Will Vince?
 
Kragthorpe after three seasons: 15-21
Satt after three seasons: 18-18

For giggles...

JLS after three seasons: 23-10
BP 1.0 after three seasons: 29-8
Charlie after three seasons: 25-14
BP 2.0 after three seasons: 26-10

Tom owned up to his one mistake. Will Vince?
Lots of context in that post! All those records are the same.

Because let’s be real, the team Scott inherited was way better than the Orange Bowl team Krag inherited.

And before the “you’re twisting my words”, I’m just trying to stop saying these moronic things and acting like he’s failed and ruined the program. That he’s made it worse.

If you don’t think he’s the guy long term, that’s fair. If you don’t think he’s a fit and not the type of recruiter. I’ll agree.

But if saying the job he’s done is Krag level and that this team he built is worse than what he started with, then that’s just factually inaccurate. He’s improved the program.

On field results and his overall improvement of the team he inherited are fine. Flirting with SC, losing to sUcKs, and fan engagement are the reasons. I mean seriously, if he doesn’t talk to SC and the sUcKs game is 31-14, none of this would be an issue. Which shows fan confidence on divisive issues makes it hard.

If firing him to pay $7 million for Brohm makes us feel better, then I guess money is all what it’s worth. But nothing about Brohm has shown me he can take us to the level Charlie built before he left. I just see him being Scott Satterfield with a more fun offense and a few more Louisville commits. Basically a Wake, NC State, UVA and BC type team that we’re on the level of now.

But my thought is simple, if we’re firing him, give me someone better than Jeff Brohm if we’re gonna break the bank. If we want to win titles and spend big boy money, go get us a big boy coach.
 
If I had money I would. I sat in a crappy Baseball stadium never dreaming we'd be a bowl eligible ACC team.
So your answer is,

"No. I will not be fighting with fans that don't exist for seats that will be empty. But I'm grateful the Cards are in a bowl. Something is better than nothing."

Ok.

Not sure the rest of the fanbase is with you.

Hope your finances turn around.
 
Lots of context in that post! All those records are the same.

Because let’s be real, the team Scott inherited was way better than the Orange Bowl team Krag inherited.

And before the “you’re twisting my words”, I’m just trying to stop saying these moronic things and acting like he’s failed and ruined the program. That he’s made it worse.

If you don’t think he’s the guy long term, that’s fair. If you don’t think he’s a fit and not the type of recruiter. I’ll agree.

But if saying the job he’s done is Krag level and that this team he built is worse than what he started with, then that’s just factually inaccurate. He’s improved the program.

On field results and his overall improvement of the team he inherited are fine. Flirting with SC, losing to sUcKs, and fan engagement are the reasons. I mean seriously, if he doesn’t talk to SC and the sUcKs game is 31-14, none of this would be an issue. Which shows fan confidence on divisive issues makes it hard.

If firing him to pay $7 million for Brohm makes us feel better, then I guess money is all what it’s worth. But nothing about Brohm has shown me he can take us to the level Charlie built before he left. I just see him being Scott Satterfield with a more fun offense and a few more Louisville commits. Basically a Wake, NC State, UVA and BC type team that we’re on the level of now.

But my thought is simple, if we’re firing him, give me someone better than Jeff Brohm if we’re gonna break the bank. If we want to win titles and spend big boy money, go get us a big boy coach.
There you go again like a yo-yo. Don’t want to pay 6-7 million for Jeff Brohm but you’re ok with paying more for a coach that’s better than Brohm? You are disillusioned about where Louisville stands in college football. We simply deserve a better product on the football field and don’t need to settle based on how well we think we can recruit.
 
There you go again like a yo-yo. Don’t want to pay 6-7 million for Jeff Brohm but you’re ok with paying more for a coach that’s better than Brohm? You are disillusioned about where Louisville stands in college football. We simply deserve a better product on the football field and don’t need to settle based on how well we think we can recruit.

I hear that Scott has lost the fans and we need to make a move to make us feel better. Ok fine. But Brohm is not some elite coach worth that money. Is that what we do, we get upset and then just make a move to make us feel better?

If you fire the guy, don’t get a similar guy for double pay just to make us feel better. Because if that’s why Vince makes the move, to make us feel better, then he should be fired. I know fan happiness is a factor, but on field development matters too.

Every critique of Satt’s on field results can be said of Brohm. If we’re spending big money, got get a whale, not a Satterfield with a Louisville Degree for double the price.

I’m not down on firing Scott if it means we get someone better. Because he’s improved the product and accomplished the tasks of repairing a 2-10 dysfunctional roster.
 
I'm not going to dive into Brohm too much here.

But the guy has 8 wins in a tough league this year and multiple wins over ranked teams. Satterfield's "record" is against MUCH SOFTER competition. Comparing the win % is a flawed approach given this obvious level of competition disparity.

The other factor that isn't being mentioned is if Brohm were here hypothetically he'd be a long hauler. That is a big deal.

Don't think Cards can afford to fire and then hire though. And I don't know if Brohm would leave PU for Louisville either.

But for the fans that prefer Brohm it ain't about emotion and "feeling better" 😂
 
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I hear that Scott has lost the fans and we need to make a move to make us feel better. Ok fine. But Brohm is not some elite coach worth that money. Is that what we do, we get upset and then just make a move to make us feel better?

If you fire the guy, don’t get a similar guy for double pay just to make us feel better. Because if that’s why Vince makes the move, to make us feel better, then he should be fired. I know fan happiness is a factor, but on field development matters too.

Every critique of Satt’s on field results can be said of Brohm. If we’re spending big money, got get a whale, not a Satterfield with a Louisville Degree for double the price.

I’m not down on firing Scott if it means we get someone better. Because he’s improved the product and accomplished the tasks of repairing a 2-10 dysfunctional roster.
I think there are major flaws in your comparisons of Brohm and satterfield. The critique of satterfield’s time at UofL is objective - his teams either won or lost. You’re subjectively comparing what Brohm has done at purdoo and trying to extrapolate that into what he either would have done or, will do at UofL.

Secondly - and I think it’s been said here previously - conventional wisdom is that we’re Brohm to come to UofL, he’d stick around a helluva lot longer than we’re used to - maybe forever. Satterfield has proven he’d rather be somewhere else.

Here’s hoping the dukies feel he’s their best option and force Tyra’s hand.
 
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How did Michigan St. “afford” Tucker’s 95M deal? Perhaps Tyra should reach out to several of the deep pockets to see about a collaboration to cover the costs you mention. While he’s at it - he could do a better job of raising funds overall.

NIL deals come from outside funds - not the university.
Big Ten schools get $54 million annually from their revenue sharing deal. That’s about $23 million more than what UofL currently gets from the ACC deal. Michigan State can afford $9.5 million annually for their football coach without impacting private funds needed for NIL deals.
 
Big Ten schools get $54 million annually from their revenue sharing deal. That’s about $23 million more than what UofL currently gets from the ACC deal. Michigan State can afford $9.5 million annually for their football coach without impacting private funds needed for NIL deals.
Why do you keep pushing the university & NIL deals? NIL deals are between student athletes and private sector. Student athletes are getting guidance, money mgmt, do and do nots, from the university NIL compliance. I've heard this from VT all the way down to coaches.
 
Why do you keep pushing the university & NIL deals? NIL deals are between student athletes and private sector. Student athletes are getting guidance, money mgmt, do and do nots, from the university NIL compliance. I've heard this from VT all the way down to coaches.

I think his point is that the athletic programs don’t need as much money being funneled directly thru the university because of the TV deal. So for instance, an AD could could let a business owner know that their $5M could be deployed thru NIL deals.
 
I think his point is that the athletic programs don’t need as much money being funneled directly thru the university because of the TV deal. So for instance, an AD could could let a business owner know that their $5M could be deployed thru NIL deals.
Correct. Taking the Michigan State versus UofL example a little further, State has an extra $23 million in their annual athletic budget, and they chose to spend $6 million extra (compared to UofL) on their football coach. That still leaves them with $17 million more annually in their budget for other operating expenses, including a coach buyout and new coach salary should Tucker not work out - compared to UofL.

Private companies in the East Lansing corporate community can create NIL deals for great players with the $17 million per year that Michigan State is NOT asking for because it’s already in MSU’s operating budget. Another example is facilities: when MSU needs to build or upgrade any facility, they can ask for less in donations from the corporate community, leaving more for NIL.
 
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Big Ten schools get $54 million annually from their revenue sharing deal. That’s about $23 million more than what UofL currently gets from the ACC deal. Michigan State can afford $9.5 million annually for their football coach without impacting private funds needed for NIL deals.
All true and yet - all 95M is being paid by two MSU boosters. We don’t need that amount here to get someone good - just north of about half of that.

I know someone who would find that money in Louisville’s deep pockets and, he’s tanned, rested and ready…
 
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