Juwan Howard Starts Michigan/Wisky Game Brawl
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The “excuse defense” already started; as one reporter was quoted in an ESPN video as describing the event as Howard “attempting to grab the face of the Wisconsin HC”. You can’t make this stuff up; there will be an effort by a few to minimize Howard’s violent outburst.
The dude is just a thug with that kind of behavior. There's nothing that excuses punching someone over words. Not saying he should receive a lifetime ban from coaching but he should be suspended for at least a full season.
He would need to show remorse and regret and apologize profusely before being considered by any school to coach. Michigan should fire him immediately.
He would need to show remorse and regret and apologize profusely before being considered by any school to coach. Michigan should fire him immediately.
So all other Head coaches with no previous HC experience gotta own Juwan's actions?
By this logic can we say since Dave Bliss had decades of HC experience prior to covering up a murder then all HC's with previous HC experience gotta own Bliss's actions too?
Or should we just say Juwan and Bliss make their own awful decisions and just let their actions apply to themselves and how their bosses handle them only? I think that's where ya take it.
Exactly, Bobby Knight was was a successful coach that had “thug” behavior. He had head coaching experience. Knight laid his hands on players, coaches, and fans.
juwan had no coaching experience which means he never had to deal with those kinds of emotions. he's never been in those situations. he didn't start somewhere to learn. he was an assistant for the heat, but at the same time, you put in in a program that has been to the title game with tons of alumni pressure. and thus, havign never coached palyers and being responsible for the game can mean you are not prepared for the big time. give him a secodn tier school, but not a top program, he did nothing to earn that except playing therde. same a KP. i do nto beleive KP should get our job as too big for him. and dave bliss troubles ahd nothign to do with coachign players, that had to do with covering up a crime and do not see why you would even think that's remotely relevant. knight was a dictator who eventually was disgraced. howard has a chance tpo be disgraced. basically, michigan chose someone with no college coaching experience and you cannot be surprised if something happens. so if we hire KP i will not be surpirsed if he does something wrong too. i don't know why we think pro assistants make good college coaches. who if any has been successful?
This is really a reach. I've never been a HC and I know that you can't hit the other team's coach. If you don't want Kenny Payne to be the next hire I get that and there are thoughtful reasons for that opinion but this is really stretching to take what Juwon Howard did the other day and use that as a reason to not hire KP.
And they FARRR'd that sonofabeyitch.
I've liked Juwan since his days as a member of the Fab Five. He and Jalen were my favorites. However, he showed an extreme lack of judgement in response to a chicken s__t maneuver by the opposing coach. There were any number of ways to handle this situation than the one he chose. IMO he should be suspended for the rest of the season.
Howard was upset about the Wisconsin coach calling a timeout to avoid a 10 second call in the final seconds of a blowout. Well why did he have his players in a full court press if he wanted to run out the clock?
Howard justifiably suspended rest of season
Howard justifiably suspended rest of season
Agree... That is not something you learn as head coach at a small school. You learn it as a kid growing up. Or in Howard's case you don't learn it.
How was wisky’s coach calling a time out chickenshit? If anything both coaches broke the unwritten rule of how to play our the final 60 seconds in a blowout. Howard should have stopped the full court press. He didn’t and wisky called the TO to discuss how to break it - nothing more, nothing less. This was an overreaction on both their parts but, by Howard as a result of the season that Michigan is having.
FWIW - this isn’t the first time that Howard has talked in a silly fashion about the “need to defend himself” from an opposing coach.
oh i agree with you and i see how what i said leans a certain way, but he got into it last year too with another coach. i know it's a stretch, but that's the kind of thing you'd find out about if he started at a smaller school and worked his way up. it's the kind of thing you find out about for all coaches. he had no college bball coaching experience. look at how hardaway is behaving in memphis. ewing is a failure in georgetown. davis a failure at unc. mullen failed at st johns. only painter from purdue is having any success and dude from iowa awhile ago, failure rate for a non coach to come back to his alma is way to high imho so KP has a much better chance at failure, and thus better chance at succumbing to pressure, and thus a better chance and doing what all these other guys have done. just because you can play the game doesn't mean you can coach it. show me you can coach somewhere at a mid major before you drop a totally inexperienced college guy into a top 10 program and hope he has good assistants. well is the assitants are that good to run the team why aren't they the coach? in football you can have a CEO, in bball you need someone maing instant decisions. pitino and coach k are the masters and look what they've done. . sorry, these guys can't coach, cal can't coach either. they're not the dudes to win you the title, imho, too much stress and no coaching experience in the big show. KP is jsut 100% gamble with a hope and prayer he can recruit, that's all. nothing proven. maybe he'llbe great, but i'm sure it's his assistants who should be head coach doing so. am i wrong?
Low hanging fruit. Up by 14, 10 seconds left and his scrubs are in. WTF is it going to matter if Wisky does turn the ball over? I agree with you that U-M should not have been pressing with the game no longer in doubt. Gard took advantage of Juwan showing his a$$ to show his and cover it up by the rulebook. Conduct in the handshake line was atrocious by both. A pox on both of them.
I guess I can somewhat accept Coach Howard’s explanation of being grabbed by Coach Gard as his reasoning for getting physical with him. But, how can he explain his moving aggressively forward to smack the assistant coach? That’s not defending yourself, that’s initiating a brawl.
On Coffey this morning, Nick said that Gard had his hands on Howard, and Howard told him THREE TIMES to take his hands off. If true, I have changed my mind, this is 49% on Gard and 51% on Howard. Gard takes his hands off, then the assistant doesn't get caught in the middle.
Prior, my understanding was that Gard was yelling and Howard started punching. Context is everything.
Michigan still had like four starters in and are full court pressing - causing a TO on wisky's previous possession. No different than when Pitino wouldn't call off the press in his first year at uk vs. kansas and they continued to throw over the top and beat them by about 60. Howard used the rationale that his kids are competitors and don't stop playing until the final buzzer. Great - but don't get pissed when your opponent does the same.
Both guys are to blame but if I'm Gard, I'm not taking an ounce of shit from Howard about the TO. In the same way as he viewed it being acceptable that his team could continue to press but unacceptable for wisky to call TO - Howard wanted the handshake line his way only too - he wanted to talk shit and move on.
As I alluded to in my other post, Howard wanted to talk shit about the TO and move past Gard without allowing any response - not terribly professional behavior. Gard should have let it go but I guess didn't feel like being lectured to by Howard and let him know that. I'd put the blame at 80% Howard and 20% Gard.
Look this incident occurred solely because Howard was unaware of the rule that if you call a timeout, it restarts the 10 second count. He never should have pressed because he should have known the Wisconsin coach would call timeout. Everything that happened post that was on Howard…
I don't know man. Words are one thing, people can say whatever they want. But if a dude puts his hands on me and I warn him 3x to take them off, that dude gets what he gets. I am not saying it's right but 3 warnings is a lot.
I could understand Howard a bit more in that situation if he had struck Gard in the heat of the moment for touching him. But he didn't. He waited and hit an assistant that had nothing to do with it.
That's why I assigned blame 51% Howard/49% Gard. I don't care about who was pressing or calling/not calling timeouts - you put your hands on somebody, that takes this to another level. Gard takes his hands off Howard, or doesn't put them there in the first place, none of this happens. Howard still should have walked away, but again, you put your hands on another man, you get 3 warnings and you do it anyway, you get what you get. I can't figure out what and why in regards to the assistant but it goes back to just keep your hand off Howard.
Come on now, Gard was only trying to stop Howard from moving on down the handshake line. This "putting his hands on him" is absurd and not in context at all. It sounds like it was a malicious thing when he just wanted to talk to Howard.
Coaches put their hands on other coaches all the time when trying to gain their attention. It's when it turns to shoves or pushes that can cause some form of self defense.
All of this is just an excuse and a cop out for Coach Howard. He was already pissed before the handshake and would have acted out in any number of ways. Coach Gard was the one trying to defuse any acrimony and putting his hands on coach to explain his decision certainly wasn't the trigger for Howard. That's pure nonsense.
We all know what would have happened if the roles were reversed. Stop with the excuses. Coach Howard thought he could do anything he wanted because if he didn't, he wouldn't have thrown a right cross on a assistant coach.
Then his excuse afterwards made it worse and proved that Howard expects different coverage for his actions, but that all changed the next day when he realized what he did may just derail his coaching career. Now he's all apologetic and accepts blame.
If I were a Michigan fan I would want him fired. If a Louisville coach did this I would call for his firing. Notice how the players got into a brawl after what Howard did? Thee players suspended and it's all Juwon Howard's fault. Period!
Coaches put their hands on other coaches all the time when trying to gain their attention. It's when it turns to shoves or pushes that can cause some form of self defense.
All of this is just an excuse and a cop out for Coach Howard. He was already pissed before the handshake and would have acted out in any number of ways. Coach Gard was the one trying to defuse any acrimony and putting his hands on coach to explain his decision certainly wasn't the trigger for Howard. That's pure nonsense.
We all know what would have happened if the roles were reversed. Stop with the excuses. Coach Howard thought he could do anything he wanted because if he didn't, he wouldn't have thrown a right cross on a assistant coach.
Then his excuse afterwards made it worse and proved that Howard expects different coverage for his actions, but that all changed the next day when he realized what he did may just derail his coaching career. Now he's all apologetic and accepts blame.
If I were a Michigan fan I would want him fired. If a Louisville coach did this I would call for his firing. Notice how the players got into a brawl after what Howard did? Thee players suspended and it's all Juwon Howard's fault. Period!
Juwon was wrong, but Gard was warned 3 times before chaos followed. We'll agree to disagree and just be glad for once it isn't Louisville with the bad headline.
Fact is, we don’t know what was said in that lineup. For all I know, Howard was already threatening the asst coach? Why else did he strike him and not Gard? Gard was trying to diffuse the situation and if he thought he was blocking Howard from going after one of my assistants, I would do the same. Howard was 100% wrong.
I understand where you’re coming from but if you watch the video - Gard didn’t touch Howard in a threatening manner. As was said in another post, he simply wasn’t going to let Howard talk shit and walk away without having his say. I think we all agree that both sides behaved inappropriately - Gard should have looked at him, laughed and pointed to the scoreboard- but at the end of the day, only one guy threw hands.
doesn't matter where you want to place blame, 100% on howard, no percentages on anyone else and if you are blaming some else then you believe howard had the right to throw a punch. he does not. never the instigators fault for someone else losing their temper. might is not right, punching some to make your point is not right. regretfully though in this country, many many people believe that might is right (just like germany in wwII) and that punching someone makes your point and makes your opinion correct. might is not right,
