Just facts...

[STLNBSE]

No shortage of opinions, so here are two facts:

1-Louisville has yet to score a first half TD on offense
2-With Cunningham running the offense, Louisville has outscored its opposition 44-7.

Hadn't seen these two simple and factual observations posted in any thread. Discuss.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

May need to include a few more things to consider, context.

The "way" the offense has scored has been using Cunningham's athletic ability. His ability to escape figures to be slowed once the ACC play begins. So, while his efforts are appreciated, and he figures to get better with more experience, having him run around dodging tackles with his head down probably isn't going to work in the ACC.

Then again, Pass hasn't shown any fire.

 

[STLNBSE]

He's also played s total of 4 quarters. Seems to me that he'll only get better. Lamar certainly took his lumps as a frosh.

 

[CardX]

I think Pass’ problem is he was handed the starting job. I know he paid his dues, he waited and learned, but he was never pushed or tested after LJ left. He knew in 2016 that 2018 would be his team. Now, his WR’s, who self proclaimed a lot heading into W1, have not helped him. But, I see no fire, no sense of urgency from Puma. There is no question, in my mind, that Cunningham needs to be the guy moving forward. He is LJ the sequel.

 

[genghis_card]

You just reminded me of something else that ticks me off. How our receivers were mouthing off about Alabama's DBs when we cant even beat ISU's dbs.

 

[KerryRhodes]

I think Pass’ problem is he was handed the starting job. I know he paid his dues, he waited and learned, but he was never pushed or tested after LJ left. He knew in 2016 that 2018 would be his team. Now, his WR’s, who self proclaimed a lot heading into W1, have not helped him. But, I see no fire, no sense of urgency from Puma. There is no question, in my mind, that Cunningham needs to be the guy moving forward. He is LJ the sequel.

So where does Puma transfer to ?
Travis will RS this year.
Puma passes better than Malik but cant lead the offense to score.

Malik starts but gets the hook if his play is bad against VA.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Seems to me that he'll only get better. .

Yeah, I said that too.

But the competition does get tougher.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Figures to be musical chairs all year for one reason or another.

 

[LouisvilleKid79]

Cunningham has 2 things going for him that will change quickly:

1) He’s played and performed ok against Indiana St and WKU. Indiana St and WKU.

2) The competition heats up and there is tape on him.

We may see QB by committee.

 

[CardX]

So where does Puma transfer to ?
Travis will RS this year.
Puma passes better than Malik but cant lead the offense to score.

Malik starts but gets the hook if his play is bad against VA.

Kentucky Wesleyan.

 

[KerryRhodes]

Kentucky Wesleyan.

Dayum

Not even UAB, Tiulane or WKU ?!

 

[MikeMcCammon]

As I said in the other thread, if the offense is a hot mess of bad execution and poor preparation, a scrambling running quarterback will do better than one who was designed for a well run structured system. I'm sure Cunningham would be much harder to stop in the annual Thanksgiving Day game in the back yard too.

 

[STLNBSE]

Hey Mike...do you think Louisville should be immune to the hard times it has fallen on of late? In other words, Tennessee, FSU, Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan,and USC have all been bad or are currently bad in recent years, but we shouldn't have to suffer through any down times at the university of Louisville?

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Hey Mike...do you think Louisville should be immune to the hard times it has fallen on of late? In other words, Tennessee, FSU, Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan,and USC have all been bad or are currently bad in recent years, but we shouldn't have to suffer through any down times at the university of Louisville?

Don't forget Texas!!! And Florida!

 

[STLNBSE]

I won't forget Texas. And before we go too far here, let's remember that we've won 8 or 9 games since Krags left pretty much and we are currently 2-1. In other words, our "hard times" ain't that hard yet. Could be coming, but why obsess over impending doom?

 

[MikeMcCammon]

Hey Mike...do you think Louisville should be immune to the hard times it has fallen on of late? In other words, Tennessee, FSU, Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan,and USC have all been bad or are currently bad in recent years, but we shouldn't have to suffer through any down times at the university of Louisville?

I thought we had our hard times under Kragsy? No reason to think we would have them after Strong had rebuilt the program and turned in over to old 41-9.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

You just reminded me of something else that ticks me off. How our receivers were mouthing off about Alabama's DBs when we cant even beat ISU's dbs.

Their mouthing off about anything much less Alabama was a good indicator that there is still no discipline in the program. Almost as bad as the Tax Boys. LOL.

 

[STLNBSE]

I thought we had our hard times under Kragsy? No reason to think we would have them after Strong had rebuilt the program and turned in over to old 41-9.

Yep, moving to a Power 5 conference is a breeze and BP has done an awful job. I see your point now. Hold on...was that your point?

 

[KerryRhodes]

Hey Mike...do you think Louisville should be immune to the hard times it has fallen on of late? In other words, Tennessee, FSU, Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan,and USC have all been bad or are currently bad in recent years, but we shouldn't have to suffer through any down times at the university of Louisville?

All of those schools you listed have won a Title or more.

You have to take advantage with a top notch team (2016) when you can.

Besides those schools would fire Petrino if he did similar things at those schools record wise.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

Yep, moving to a Power 5 conference is a breeze and BP has done an awful job. I see your point now. Hold on...was that your point?

The Big East in 2005-2006 was better than the ACC now.

 

[STLNBSE]

The Big East in 2005-2006 was better than the ACC now.

Highly debatable and only debatable in 2006 at that. Rutgers WVU and us were legitimate top 15 teams and the rest of the league sucked badly

 

[STLNBSE]

The fact is there aren't many frames of reference for teams moving into the P5. TCU, WVU, Utah, and us as far as I know. And speaking of those old WVU teams, how'd their transition into the Big 12 go? Rich Rod was once looked at as a coaching genius, but I guess he too forgot how to. Is he once he went to Michigan and Arizona.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

Highly debatable and only debatable in 2006 at that. Rutgers WVU and us were legitimate top 15 teams and the rest of the league sucked badly

You obviously were not following the team then. Louisville and West Virginia were top 10 teams and legit national title contenders and Rutgers top 15. USF was not that far behind. Much better than the ACC now.

 

[BPGhost]

You obviously were not following the team then. Louisville and West Virginia were top 10 teams and legit national title contenders and Rutgers top 15. USF was not that far behind. Much better than the ACC now.

Just simply not factual. Rutgers was a three year flash in the pan in the BE, but was garbage before and after that stretch. WVU and UofL were the only legit programs and neither were as good as Clemson or FSU have been in the ACC. Va Tech and Miami are also better than anyone after the top two in the BE.

 

[STLNBSE]

Why let reality stop MM. I am 37 and followed the team extremely closely then and now. As good as Louisville, WVU and Rutgers were that year,the national media were horrified at the prospects of any of us playing for the title. WVU and Louisville were better than RU but the Scarlet Knights caught us at the perfect moment

 

[MikeMcCammon]

Just simply not factual. Rutgers was a three year flash in the pan in the BE, but was garbage before and after that stretch. WVU and UofL were the only legit programs and neither were as good as Clemson or FSU have been in the ACC. Va Tech and Miami are also better than anyone after the top two in the BE.

Right now you have Clemson and maybe Virginia Tech and only Clemson is a definite top 10 team. The average teams and the bottom feeders in the current ACC are no better than the ones in the Big East we entered. I wish people would stop trying to make 2.0 Petrino look better by intentionally downplaying the past. Gone are the days when we blew out teams like Oregon State and North Carolina by 50 and teams were afraid to schedule us. Gone are the days when we resided in the top 10 regularly.

 

[STLNBSE]

I wouldn't say gone are the days. They just aren't here at present. There's a difference.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Right now you have Clemson and maybe Virginia Tech and only Clemson is a definite top 10 team. The average teams and the bottom feeders in the current ACC are no better than the ones in the Big East we entered.

Cards first year in the B East only 3 teams had a winning record, and one of the three was 7-5 - the other two WVU and the Cards. Cards couldn't play themselves so their schedule in the Big East "they entered" as you say, was not that great. Only 2 ranked teams at the end of the year and the Cards were one of them.

WVU was the only team to win a bowl, the league went 1-3.

Right now the ACC isn't just Clemson and Va Tech. BC is also ranked and rising. Miami FL dropped a game to frickin LSU and is still ranked so I don't think their season is over yet.

NC St and SU might be getting better and Duke has a two TD win over Northwestern. They are a combined 8-0. No they are not powers by any stretch but not a horrible middling next tier, "right now".

NC St did win 9 games last year and finish the season ranked. So they may be turning a corner.

The league is down because FSU blows and the Cards do too.

And "right now" Clemson is a definite top 3 team according to the polls, not just a Top 10, so nice try framing that low ball on them to assist dragging down the league with your semantics game.

 

[BPGhost]

Right now you have Clemson and maybe Virginia Tech and only Clemson is a definite top 10 team. The average teams and the bottom feeders in the current ACC are no better than the ones in the Big East we entered. I wish people would stop trying to make 2.0 Petrino look better by intentionally downplaying the past. Gone are the days when we blew out teams like Oregon State and North Carolina by 50 and teams were afraid to schedule us. Gone are the days when we resided in the top 10 regularly.

I’m not trying to make any conference comparisons that include Petrino - that’s your shtick. I’m saying only that the ACC is better at the top, better in the middle and, better at the bottom than the BE was. You disagree because it doesn’t fit your narrative and more importantly, you don’t know football.

Or sports.

 

[beantowncard]

Highly debatable and only debatable in 2006 at that. Rutgers WVU and us were legitimate top 15 teams and the rest of the league sucked badly

UC, USF and UConn were all pretty competitive. It was a good league.

 

[CardX]

Dayum

Not even UAB, Tiulane or WKU ?![/QUO

Hey Mike...do you think Louisville should be immune to the hard times it has fallen on of late? In other words, Tennessee, FSU, Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan,and USC have all been bad or are currently bad in recent years, but we shouldn't have to suffer through any down times at the university of Louisville?

Hard times befalls every program. It’s why, though, that matters. And things now aren’t particularly awful. We just haven’t gotten better. It’s almost like Petrino has peaked. He’s also in the middle of an identity crisis. He doesn’t know what offense he wants to run. He can’t sync with a DC. He’s out of daughters for prospective assistants to marry. Now, we all remember where we came from. Things can be much worse. But how long do we accept being not bad?

 

[wreckcard#22]

the "why" is important...my guess is a lack of team leadership, Puma is not a leader...Jaylen seems to want to be the leader but is not demonstrating on the field, he may just not be a natural leader. CBP can't be a field leader and the team chemistry is way off...overinflated ego's, poor execution/focus is contagious...we'll see what a little adversity does to them; fingers crossed for some humility and hard work on the practice field that will carry over...I don't think CBP will give up on Puma just yet, maybe script the playbook for him a little bit and keep it simple...IDK...Malik is a nice, but limited, backup plan...the season does look ominous for now.

 

[kentuckyshame]

Hey Mike...do you think Louisville should be immune to the hard times it has fallen on of late? In other words, Tennessee, FSU, Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan,and USC have all been bad or are currently bad in recent years, but we shouldn't have to suffer through any down times at the university of Louisville?

You are not allowed to ask Mike such a tough question.

 

[PushupMan]

Right now you have Clemson and maybe Virginia Tech and only Clemson is a definite top 10 team. The average teams and the bottom feeders in the current ACC are no better than the ones in the Big East we entered. I wish people would stop trying to make 2.0 Petrino look better by intentionally downplaying the past. Gone are the days when we blew out teams like Oregon State and North Carolina by 50 and teams were afraid to schedule us. Gone are the days when we resided in the top 10 regularly.

I’ve done the head to head math on the Big East we belonged to versus the ACC of that same time frame, and it confirms that the ACC and Big East were more or less equal. In 68 head to head matchups, the Big East team won 33 times.

The problem with that comparison is that the ACC now contains Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville, and no longer has Maryland, which definitely strengthens the conference. The ACC is also tougher because it schedules 5 games annually versus Notre Dame, something we could never get ND to do for the Big East.

Finally, the ACC is tougher because of the numerous postseason bowl matchups with the SEC - something we never got as members of the Big East unless we were lucky enough to win the Big East championship and got paired with one in the BCS game.