Is Steve Kragthorpe coaching tonight!
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Watch for it...when Bobby starts using a Waffle House menu, he needs to go.
LOL! Physically overmatched? Our 2002 team probably produced more NFL players than FSU did. I would love to have some of those guys starting on this year's team.
Nope that FSU team had several NFL guys (12). I am not sure anyone could have covered Bolden. Louisville had 4, White, Ragone, Burns and Chris Johnson.
Weather played a role in that game.
Weather played a role in that game.
We may have had close to that. You are forgetting Ragone, Koons, Spitz, Ghent, Rhodes, and probably a couple more. Regardless we were not over matched in terms of talent. We were pre-season top 20 and that FSU team wound up losing 5 or 6 games.
A little misleading. That was the year the offensive line was a train wreck and almost got Ragone killed against KY. You are right there were several guys on the 2002 that made that 2004 team really good and the nucleus of that great period of time. How many were a factor in that game? Mainly the ones I listed. Rhodes and Shelton either didn't play or weren't a factor. Spitz was a freshman he wasn't really good at that point.
We will just have to disagree I think weather was a factor it took FSU speed away.
We will just have to disagree I think weather was a factor it took FSU speed away.
He listed Ragone in the post you even quoted. Learn how to read.
Are your comments always “premature”? Yeah, pretty much all the time. That comparison with Krags just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
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No one said they were a great team even though pre-season number 17. The point is you were completely wrong comparing us and Indiana State to us and Florida State in 2002. That whole idea is laughable.
Remember, this is Indiana State, not Indiana we are talking about. For you guys to be celebrating a game with them in which we were tied at half time proves my point about how far we have sunk under 2.0. The fact this game was even scheduled is embarrassing. Struggling against them in the first half goes even beyond that.Underdog teams perform better in a monsoon. Yeah, nothing to compare here.
I don't defend anything. I simply understand the way to make observations. You don't posture like playing under the conditions they played on Saturday is irrelevant. That just makes your analysis irrelevant...
Playing against an opponent as bad as Indiana State makes the conditions less relevant. Should have easily been able to completely control the line of scrimmage and run the ball down their throat every play. As I said, they might not even have any 2 star players much less 3 and 4 star players. If we had played a decent MAC team you might have an argument. ISU is not even close to that.
If the two teams were evenly matched, the conditions would be less relevant. The fact that the two teams were starkly different is EXACTLY what makes the weather conditions more relevant; it mitigates that difference.
Do you always get stuff backward?...
WOW I’m wondering if you’ve ever actually been involved in active football. Either as a fan or a player. You continue to prove your total ignorance about the game. Damn, you sound just like a uahkay fan because it’s obvious that you are actively rooting against UofL AND Bobby Petrino. Oh, perhaps you are a uahkay fan in “real” life.
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Dumb analysis. If we put you and 10 others like you on the field against Alabama in a foot of snow or that type of rain we had Saturday do you think it would matter? ISU was terrible. No amount of weather should have made that game close.
Man, you are one of the most positive fans I've ever met. Who do you want to hire?? Jeff Brohm?
Well, once the 3 lightning delays were out of the way, Louisville did dominate the 2nd half and end up winning 31-7. No gold star for that, but that's not the Samford-FSU game (it's a good thing they FARRRRED JEEMBO!).
I remember a game between the Patriots and the Dolphins (I think) in a year where the Dolphins were horrible and the Pats were well the Pats. It was in a deluge of snow, and the Patriots won that game 3-0. Not an exact parallel but inclement conditions yes played in by both teams - but still - inclement conditions makes the game an anomaly.
I remember a game between the Patriots and the Dolphins (I think) in a year where the Dolphins were horrible and the Pats were well the Pats. It was in a deluge of snow, and the Patriots won that game 3-0. Not an exact parallel but inclement conditions yes played in by both teams - but still - inclement conditions makes the game an anomaly.
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I'll take that as a compliment considering your level of "analysis"...
Yeah, that's a good point. In better conditions with a QB executing better, we were pacing around 100-0 over four quarters. I'm OK with that most weeks...
Well he (MM) IS a uahkay fan so what do you expect. They just beat mighty UF.
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If I may be the mediator, I think MM is saying that when two teams with the presumed talent disparity of Louisville and ISU get together, even the most deplorable weather conditions should not keep Louisville from scoring an offensive TD. I agree even though I'm generally opposed to all, or most of his other beliefs.
Zipp is stating that extreme adverse weather negates, nullifies and otherwise mitigates talent disparities. This is also true.
To me, Saturday was a mixture of bad weather and bad football. Louisville did show its ability to dominate as it should, but only in a very small stretch. I don't think our guys had any interest in playing after the weather delays and it showed. Anyone who's ever played knows that once the apathy train rolls in, it is going to be a long day.
Zipp is stating that extreme adverse weather negates, nullifies and otherwise mitigates talent disparities. This is also true.
To me, Saturday was a mixture of bad weather and bad football. Louisville did show its ability to dominate as it should, but only in a very small stretch. I don't think our guys had any interest in playing after the weather delays and it showed. Anyone who's ever played knows that once the apathy train rolls in, it is going to be a long day.
You can't throw the ball in a monsoon beyond 2 yards.
Louisville is an average football team right now and I think Petrino treated the game like a practice, because that's what it was.
He's got a green QB who he needs to get better and he's not going to get any better handing it off 75% of the time despite the obvious conditions that call for that. The kid can learn from his mistakes even in the storm more than he can learn from watching the RBs methodically grind it down the field.
Petrino was going to run his wide open playbook and not let the weather make him dumb it down. He's got a guy starting his 2nd game calling plays at the line of scrimmage while standing in a lake getting hailed on.
Some coaches like to do whatever the hell they want results be damned. Guy has won 9, 8, 9, and 8 games a year at a basketball school he probably figures he can get away with it. Cause he can. He just did.
Louisville is an average football team right now and I think Petrino treated the game like a practice, because that's what it was.
He's got a green QB who he needs to get better and he's not going to get any better handing it off 75% of the time despite the obvious conditions that call for that. The kid can learn from his mistakes even in the storm more than he can learn from watching the RBs methodically grind it down the field.
Petrino was going to run his wide open playbook and not let the weather make him dumb it down. He's got a guy starting his 2nd game calling plays at the line of scrimmage while standing in a lake getting hailed on.
Some coaches like to do whatever the hell they want results be damned. Guy has won 9, 8, 9, and 8 games a year at a basketball school he probably figures he can get away with it. Cause he can. He just did.
Might be best to quantify that effect. (My usual approach...)
The spread in the game was what, five TDs? Instead, we won by 24 points IIRC. That's 35 vs. 24. Could THAT weather have accounted for 11 points? Well yeah...
Of course he does. ALL uahkay fans are skeered of Bobby Petrino since he regularly kicks their butts. Let’s see now, last year it was a butt kicking of 44-17 and then the mighty cayuts went to a bowl game where they promptly lost to mighty Northwestern by one point. Yeah, the same Northwestern that “upset” Purdue in Lafayette, IN. Of course, MM wants Brohm here simply because is skeered to death of Bobby Petrino kicking the cayuts ass again, and again.
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I want Brohm here and I DAMN SURE ain't no SuCkS fan. Beating those blew losers no longer counts as a game to me. Its practice for the bowl game.
After smashing the kitties at Kroger field, how did the Cards follow it up ? By losing to a team without a true coaching staff.
That was a pathetic loss.
Beat SuCkS in 2016 and this thread doesn't exist.
At this point I SURE think you should be DAMN careful for what you ask for. Bobby is a proven head coach that has won everywhere he’s been. And guess what, that’s over approximately 12 years. Jeff has been out there as a head coach for 4 years. Again, I hope Jeff is very successful but I don’t want to fire a guy that’s been as successful as he’s been over that same period of time. YOU said it in your post that you are judging CBP over a failed two game set, uahkay in 2016 and last year’s bowl game. How come you don’t want to judge Jeff over his last two games? Ok, that maybe unfair but you are setting up the parameters here. I believe Jeff will be successful at Purdue and then wherever he ends up and if that’s at UofL I’ll be fine with that but not until Bobby Petrino is either a failure OR he has decided to hang it up. I think you need to be very clear of what being a failure as a coach at UofL in the ACC might be. Or maybe think about this, what if
Jeff Brohm had never darkened our door here at UofL? Or maybe this is just a Trinity HS thing.
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Petrino is judged on his 4 year, 2nd stint not one game. The cumulative highlights are ;
1-11 vs the top 25.
Several losses as the favorite.
1-3 in bowl games.
No top 10 bowl games.
There are other points but you get my drift.
Brohm was an assistant here under kragdud who fired by Jurich. Try and keep up and kill the Trinity crap.
Petrino part 2 is 34-18 (not counting this years 1-1)
Should be 41-11 with an Orange bowl and or a playoff appearance.
Why can't you, or anyone for that matter, judge Petrino on both his stints here? He helped to put Louisville Football on the map, I believe you owe it to him to consider both stints.
Also, your highlights of his second stint are a bit off. Here's what mine look like:
- a signature win, which i was fortunate enough to witness live, at Notre Dame
- 2 straight wins against a very highly paid coach and storied program in fsu
- hosting 2 college gamedays amd being part of a 3rd
- a nice bowl win against texas a&m
- a heisman trophy winner
- a 34-18 record
granted, he has his share of bad memories, which you so often remind us of. just give him time to find a legit DC. that is really the only thing holding us back.
The fact that he is a HC with 15 years experience makes it worse.
Still have anemic, erratic playcalling.
WHY are you throwing in a monsoon ?!
RUN RUN RUN !
Cant sign quality assistants.
He doesn't have the fire unless he is saving it for 2019.
You combine 44-9's players vs 35-19 players and play ten games, 44-9 wins NINE times out of ten. The Cards are in the ACC now and he's coaching at a C-USA level.
You are basing a theory on two constants, one of which doesnt exist. We know what his 2nd stint players have done against higher tier competition, it's been proven over the last 4 years. what we dont know for sure, is if his first stint teams would perform as well, or better against the same competition. You're basing you're judgements on an analogy that doesnt apply.
You're right to an extent about his assistants, but give credit where it's due, he made a great hire bringing Summers back. He made a terrible hire with Sirmon. Vangorder has had ups and downs in the past, but he's had some really good defenses in the past. Just give it time, hell the young defense has had few chances to prove themselves, we'll know more towards the end of the year.
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