I thought we would have performed better offensively, but that’s how it goes. I won’t say this team is a rebuild project, but with all the new bodies and personnel, it probably would have been better to have not gotten our feet wet against a juggernaut dynasty. That’s scheduling, though. You play who’s next. Moving forward, next week likely needs to be a comfortable win. If Indiana St hangs around or even wins, yikes. That hot seat Petrino is perceived, by some, to be on will become a 5 alarm fire. The Sycamores, btw, won their first game 49-0 over Quincy.
I’m actually not that upset.
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I’m more concerned than upset because there appears to be a consistent negative theme building with BP’s teams.
Undisciplined w/goofy mental mistakes.
If they lose to Indiana St, the BP needs to go bus will be fully loaded.
Undisciplined w/goofy mental mistakes.
If they lose to Indiana St, the BP needs to go bus will be fully loaded.
I'm not upset. I accepted the fact a couple of years ago that Petrino 2.0 was not the answer to fulfilling the Pipe's dream. We are exactly what we appear to be. A program in slow decline and stuck in the same place with other programs that will win 5-7 games a year and play a December bowl game.
Had a great time in Orlando. I totally recommend going to these beginning of the year showcase games. While greatly outnumbered, the Cards fans were excited and energetic. And then the game started...
Being totally outclassed in all facets of the game was very deflating. Maybe it was just the immediate emotion after the game but talked to several long-time financial supporters that are concerned about where the football program is trending. Heard a lot of Brohm chatter.
Being totally outclassed in all facets of the game was very deflating. Maybe it was just the immediate emotion after the game but talked to several long-time financial supporters that are concerned about where the football program is trending. Heard a lot of Brohm chatter.
The hyperbole is strong with you man. When was the last time we only won 5 games? Or less than 8? Charlie’s first year. It seems like all your posts are about how bad our football program is and the like. We’ve been the 2nd or 3rd best program in our division since joining the conference. Last season was about 2 wins shy of where we should have been. But if we win 8 this year I see no reason to fire Bobby. The only coaches we could possibly hire are Brohm or maybe Strong 2.0. Anyone else would be a shot in the dark or Kragthorpian. Hold on for 2019 and 2020. If Bobby hasn’t gotten us at an average of 9 wins at the end of the decade, then maybe consider going elsewhere if there is a top flight coach willing to come our way. I just don’t see anyone that is far and away ahead of Bobby wanting to come here soon.
Hyperbole? What did I say that was incorrect? Arguably Petrino 2.0's best team was the one he inherited from Strong. We are in year 5 and I see a program that is going in reverse. Certainly there has been no improvement and the talent here is way less. If you are happy with mediocrity then that's on you.
He specifically pointed out the hyperbole. That's on you if you chose not to read it. I genuinely like and am rooting for Brohm, but the jury is still very much out on him as a HC. Had no defense at WKU, and just lost to that juggernaut Northwestern on his home field. Petrino has to do better, but let's see how this season plays out against teams that aren't about 20 notches above the 2nd tier of college football.
8.5 wins per season in a power 5 conference isn’t mediocrity. 6-7 win seasons are mediocrity. 2016 was the best team we had. 2014 just had a good defense. What we need is a defense like 2014 with the offenses of the last 2 years. Saying that we have been averaging 5-7 wins is hyperbole. We haven’t gotten close to a 5 win season. The 2018 class was loaded with defensive talent. If we get JJ Weaver and Jared Casey to come on board with a couple solid DBs I will feel comfortable with what we have on defense to last through 2020. Bobby’s scheme made an inept offense a 9 win team in 2014 because he had a good defense. All he needs is a guy that can get him 75% of what the strong defenses had to contend for an ACC title. If he can get a CS level defense we could be talking championships. For whatever reason grantham and company, although they could scheme to take advantage of Strong’s guys, couldn’t bring in or coach up very many top-flight guys. Alexander, Greenard, and maybe Tresean Smith are the exceptions. Here’s hoping BVG can do a lot with the defensive talent that Sirmon surprisingly brought in and maybe he can bring some of his own guys in.
But it wasn't hyperbole and saying it was won't make it so. Some of you act like Petrino just showed up. This is YEAR 5 and there zero progress. His best team was the one he inherited from Strong.
His best team was not inherited from Strong. It was a combination. The defense was heavily influenced by Strong. You fail to realize it was Petrino that brought in Alexander, Fields, Young, and Clemons all of which were part of the defense. You also fail to recognize the whole entire offensive line had to be rebuilt because Strong didn't recruit worth a crap on that side of the ball.
Not to mention he recruited Jackson which made that team go.
I don't disagree with your thoughts on the inconsistent play that is a direct coaching issue and concerning. With that said Louisville has never been able to recruit at a Clemson, FSU, LSU, Miss St, Miami or even Virginia Tech level I am not sure we should expect them to win 8 or 9 games every year in the ACC. You could argue we are paying too much but that is a different argument.
Not to mention he recruited Jackson which made that team go.
I don't disagree with your thoughts on the inconsistent play that is a direct coaching issue and concerning. With that said Louisville has never been able to recruit at a Clemson, FSU, LSU, Miss St, Miami or even Virginia Tech level I am not sure we should expect them to win 8 or 9 games every year in the ACC. You could argue we are paying too much but that is a different argument.
The 2014 team was Strong's recruits. The guys you mentioned didn't even play on that team. Stop complaining about being Louisville. In 2004-2007 we had as good a talent as any program in the country and we were legit top 10 and we were close to that in 2014 except for the OL. Did I expect to beat Saban's Alabama team? No. However I do expect to not look like Eastern Michigan while playing them.
UofL had no QB when Petrino arrived on campus. Strong left a good defense but the Offense was a mess. Also you had the step up in competition moving from the AAC to the ACC.
I don't think the quarterback situation was as bad as some want to say it was but we did have a problem at the center position that hurt us. But we had one of the best defenses in the country and good skilled players. Over all that was still the most talented team in the 2.0 era and the talent level continues to drop with bad recruiting and very little talent development.
BP is definitely not the same coach as the first rodeo, I don't think that can be debated. I am all for an evaluation of a new HC, have been as soon as we rehired BP, but if we can't bring in a guy to take us to next level then why bother.
IMO it's pretty simple though when you talk about competing with the Bamas, OSUs, Clemsons of the world it comes back to recruiting. The recruiting that we gain is nearly a direct reflection of how good our team is.
We have the ability to gain a 4 star here and there but we only do so by marketing early playing time. Being realistic we are regionally in a shitty area, not far enough north, not far enough south, to play the location card. We also do not have the boosters to assist on the recruiting front as do the "blue bloods".
So for us it is early playing time, which can't be promised if we have to many 4 stars which doesn't allow for quality depth.
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IMO it's pretty simple though when you talk about competing with the Bamas, OSUs, Clemsons of the world it comes back to recruiting. The recruiting that we gain is nearly a direct reflection of how good our team is.
We have the ability to gain a 4 star here and there but we only do so by marketing early playing time. Being realistic we are regionally in a shitty area, not far enough north, not far enough south, to play the location card. We also do not have the boosters to assist on the recruiting front as do the "blue bloods".
So for us it is early playing time, which can't be promised if we have to many 4 stars which doesn't allow for quality depth.
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I don't know why people are so upset honestly.While i did just post in another thread that Bobby may have lost his mojo, I am just happy that we walked away with no significant injuries.I see improvement in the defense.I hate teams that just play zone, I would rather have a D cord. that likes to put pressure on the QB that leads to interceptions and more sacks.Second I don't think Jaylon was ready to play after his surgery but he did anyway so hats off to him.Third it was Puma's first start.Do any of you guys remember the first time Teddy came in or what Lamar did is first snap under center?to refresh your memories it wasn't that pretty.Fourth it was Bama people.We have all these questions marks with Puma,the D,the offensive line,RB and all Bama has was a blown out fake QB competition when anyone with a brain knew who was going to start for them.
I think our last 2 recruiting classes were very good, arguably the best 2 back-to-back recruiting classes ever at Louisville on paper. I think we have a young, talented team. Talent on paper doesn't always pan out but our FR and SO classes haven't failed, either.
I'd like to win more games, but I think if Petrino keeps winning 8 games and recruiting continues to improve he's the perfect guy in the situation we have right now. Things could be so much worse.
I'd like to win more games, but I think if Petrino keeps winning 8 games and recruiting continues to improve he's the perfect guy in the situation we have right now. Things could be so much worse.
Just need to clarify one of your first points - our defensive captain/best defensive player Jon Greenard is going to be out a long time. Not sure how long but he has a serious ligament issue in his wrist. Huge loss.
Just reading your latest posts, I deduce you know very little about evaluating football talent.That's the first thing I notice. The second thing is that you seem to be on both sides of using recruiting rankings to support your points. When beneficial as above, you'll note star ranking, but when it flies in the face of your "Bobby 2.0 hasn't brought any talent into the program," you ignore the star rankings by simply saying the players aren't any good regardless of their star ranking. Can't go both ways.
Finally, I notice that you are a big fan of the 04-06 teams. I was too. I bet we are about the same age, so remembered youth certainly can bring along misplaced nostalgia. Those teams were very good to be sure, but who the hell did we beat? I recall beating a bad Miami team, playing close in the Orange Bowl against a very overrated Miami team (finished the year with several losses) and defeating the likes of Wake Forest, Boise State, Rutgers, etc for most of those seasons. You really can't compare 1.0 to 2.0 because we weren't playing a real schedule back then. I would agree that this go-round has brought more penalties, O-line frustrations and defensive collapses, but better competition has a way of making you look worse.
Dishonest representation of what I said and what I said was absolutely correct and we can see it on the field which is the real test.
What I said about recruiting is our recruiting was better when Petrino 1.0 left because we were getting recruits that had much better offers than the ones we are getting now for the most part. A 3 star guy with offers from Florida, Auburn and LSU is better than a 3 star player with offers from Akron, Central Michigan and Cincinnati. On top of that, Petrino actually developed players back then.
The next myth you are perpetrating is we had weak schedules then compared to now. The 2006 schedule is still the highest rated SOS we have ever had and we were 3 points from an undefeated season. Bottom line is we were a top 10 team back then and had top 10 talent. In fact, Phil Steele rated our 2007 talent the 4th best in the country behind LSU, Oklahoma and USC. Too bad we had a total bonehead in Kragthorpe coaching it. No one is rating our talent 4th best in the country these days. Open your eyes and stop falling for the hype they are giving us instead of the performance we used to get.
That 2006 team was a batted-down pass in the end zone away from losing to Cincy at home. That said, they were the best team in school history in my opinion. That was one team though. The 05' squad was somewhat disappointing, blowing a HUGE 4th quarter lead at WVU and getting blown out at USF. In fact, we lost to an unranked USF 45-14. Sounds pretty similar to our loss to Alabama two nights ago.
The other two 1.0 Petrino teams included a good 1-loss 04' team who played absolutely no one outside of Miami and Boise and an 03' team that was average at best.
Another point I'll make about our talent back then is that we greatly benefited from having Brohm, Urrutia and Bush in our back yard. We also lucked out on some guys like Amobi Okoye, Harry Douglass, Dumerville,Giacomini, Barnidge and several others being wayyyyyy better than their rankings indicated. Who offered those guys? I bet the list was none too impressive. I guess you could point to player development, but a lot of that was just good fortune. And did Bobby suddenly forget how to develop players? I'd say he did a great job with LJ. 90% of major college coaches would have forced him into another position.
The other two 1.0 Petrino teams included a good 1-loss 04' team who played absolutely no one outside of Miami and Boise and an 03' team that was average at best.
Another point I'll make about our talent back then is that we greatly benefited from having Brohm, Urrutia and Bush in our back yard. We also lucked out on some guys like Amobi Okoye, Harry Douglass, Dumerville,Giacomini, Barnidge and several others being wayyyyyy better than their rankings indicated. Who offered those guys? I bet the list was none too impressive. I guess you could point to player development, but a lot of that was just good fortune. And did Bobby suddenly forget how to develop players? I'd say he did a great job with LJ. 90% of major college coaches would have forced him into another position.
What point are you making? You bring up the 2006 Cincinnati game as if great teams blow out every opponent by 60 points. Doesn't happen. That game was a struggle but it doesn't take away from the team and how good we were. The biggest thing you are missing is what happened on the field. You bash the 2004 team for their schedule even though they beat a top 10 team in their bowl game. I promise you the 2004 team would tear any of the Petrino 2.0 teams a new azze. Mike Bush was the third string running back. Do you see any talent like that on this team? This is not the same Petrino that put those great teams together and turned them into machines. How many years will it take for some of you guys to see that?
Did you really think UofL was going to step up to the ACC and dominate right away? Yes I'm disappointed with some of the stuff I have seen but you have to realize this is a rebuilding year. Louisville just doesn't reload and Alabama makes a lot of teams look bad.
Once again, you simply don't understand what you are watching. You think you do, but if you ever played organized athletics beyond grade school (doubtful), then you'd realize the difference between good and elite. Alabama is playing the game with talent never seen before in college football. They would have destroyed the 06' team just as they will surely steamroll every opponent they play this year.
As for your other contention, I'd like to see the 06' defense which was often spotty, go against any of the Lamar Jackson teams. Promise you it would not have been pretty. In fact, if you'd matched that team with our 2017 team the first six games or so, I think the 2017 squad comes out on top. We were really good back than and certainly better than what we've been of late, but you are getting really carried away.
Yeah I was under the impression that his injury was not that severe, but now today I see that it is. I was just glad Pass or Dez didn't get injured. Especially after it came out that we had trash talked their secondary.
Recruiting classes are some of the best ever under Bobby this go around. You're looking foolish.
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I don't think the quarterback situation was as bad as some want to say it was but we did have a problem at the center position that hurt us. But we had one of the best defenses in the country and good skilled players. Over all that was still the most talented team in the 2.0 era and the talent level continues to drop with bad recruiting and very little talent development.
To add to that. Very, very foolish!
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I don't think the quarterback situation was as bad as some want to say it was but we did have a problem at the center position that hurt us. But we had one of the best defenses in the country and good skilled players. Over all that was still the most talented team in the 2.0 era and the talent level continues to drop with bad recruiting and very little talent development.
To add to that. Very, very foolish!
Every team except Alabama with Nick Saban as coach has the occasional 6-6 year. It happened to Florida State last year. Good enough for them, good enough for Louisville. Some think this ran Jeembo Feesher off. Well the Florida State Fighting Taggarts got lernt by VTech this past week and I expect Louisville to beat the recent national champions FSU this year. Again. So, be careful what you ask for.
But "FARRRRR PITRINO!"
Was Bobby Petrino not directly responsible for the talented teams of 2004-2007 as you mention?
Why are you so persistent to toss Bobby in the gutter? In my opinion, his greatest downfall in his second stint was letting Grantham get away. The next mistake was hiring Sirmon. He's trying to right the ship on defense with VanGorder, and i think we'll be fine as long as we get some consistency here defensively.
You also keep bringing up recruiting rankings. Those 2004-2007 teams that you mention had plenty of 3 star guys, but Bobby has always had an eye for talent, he sees 4 star potential in 3 star guys, always has. We're just not going to get 5 star talent, we're lucky to get four star guys as we're just not known for our football history. But if we ever get to the level of landing a few fives, it's gonna be due to the success Petrino will have here in the next few years.
Grantham didn’t get his own defensive staff. He had Bobby’s in-laws in place. That had to be a point of contention. Also Waki-leaks and Grantham’s role in it, and the fact that CTG didn’t seem to be a very energetic recruiter, and he was gone.
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