Could be a "fit" problem...

[zipp]

That was the issue Jurich said he underestimated or didn't appreciate hiring Kragthorpe to replace Petrino 1.0. Is that gonna be an issue with Satterfield replacing Petrino 2.0?

I'm hearing fans increasingly talk about bad performance with no consequences. Turnovers, penalties, and miscues don't translate to reduced playing time, or an a$$ ripping on the sidelines.

K-rag was a player's coach, not a taskmaster or anyone to fear. Sound familiar? Those guys aren't destined to fail unless you put them in a situation to fail. Jurich realized that when it was unfortunately too late. If an experienced and highly regarded AD can make that mistake, what's the chance we repeated it?

The only difference is that our finances in 2009 were OK, and K-rag's buyout was $2 million. Satterfield's is $10 million, and we all know about our financial condition...

 

[Thecycle27]

It was pretty easy to see Jurich missed on Kargthorpe year 1. He knew he had a problem. You can’t take a program built on discipline and fear then turn it over to the players.

Satterfield tenure is hard to judge at this point. Last everyone was on board. It was a fresh start for everyone. They really didn’t have many internal issues. This year reality sets in for players that still couldn’t make the field plus COVID. More players start entering the transfer portal. You get a sense there is more turmoil. As much as we have all hated 2020 it’s not unreasonable for players to not be in 100 percent.

I am not sure what kind of accountability fans want. You have to have depth to enforce accountability during the game. They are already short handed and Covid didn’t help. Are you going to sit Hawkins for fumbling when Hall is out? Sit Hall when both Buckley and Hawkins are gone? Are you going to reward a 4th string guy that didn’t have a good week of practice?

Here is what I know if this kind of play continues in 2021 then Tyra has a problem.

 

[beantowncard]

The team CSK took over was defending OB champion and returned most of the starting lineup. Satterfield, as we know, took over a very different situation. Zipp, before you run CSS out of town please let him build his team and coach it. We need staff stability, not more changes. Again, your hatred for Vince NQ is driving you to post some very silly things. Satt has not failed yet. This staff needs time.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

I think he was the hire we had to make at the time. I think with everything falling apart, we had to get him. He was good for moral. I think he'll build depth and get the roster where it needs to be in time. Now will he win? I don't know, but he'll leave the roster in more balanced and better shape.

But, I'm still skeptical of fit. He never left his little area of the southeast. He was never even an assistant at a power conference school. He coached in a rural area. This is the ACC in an urban area in the midwest. We have to compete with the best in the country.

At the lower level, you can "coach up" recruits & use superior game plans to win at that level. At this level, there are good coaches up and down the conference. Every school has good assistants. Every school has P5 talent.

Satt came in year 1 and saw guys like Hawkins & Tutu and went crazy. He'd never coached players like that before. He got the team re-focused and they played with new energy. You see that with new coaches often, a year 1 spark. Remember Charley Weis when he came in to Notre Dame with Brady Quinn? But then when he had to recruit and develop his own talent, it fell apart.

Year 3 & 4 will be telling. He will have a roster of his players. We may not see it in wins, but we will be able to tell if his way will work.

 

[beantowncard]

He got off to a slow start at App State before he went on a multi- championship run. Patience.

 

[nccardfan]

He got off to a slow start at App State before he went on a multi- championship run. Patience.

Zipp has nothing to do with running CSS out of here. He did it to himself. His agent let it be known there was some interest in the USC job. As far as I know CSS hasn’t fired his agent so it sounds like his agent did it with his blessing... I don’t know how CSS rebuilds the trust he lost by letting that happen. How do recruits believe he’s here to stay?

 

[Morgantown Card]

That was the issue Jurich said he underestimated or didn't appreciate hiring Kragthorpe to replace Petrino 1.0. Is that gonna be an issue with Satterfield replacing Petrino 2.0?

I'm hearing fans increasingly talk about bad performance with no consequences. Turnovers, penalties, and miscues don't translate to reduced playing time, or an a$$ ripping on the sidelines.

K-rag was a player's coach, not a taskmaster or anyone to fear. Sound familiar? Those guys aren't destined to fail unless you put them in a situation to fail. Jurich realized that when it was unfortunately too late. If an experienced and highly regarded AD can make that mistake, what's the chance we repeated it?

The only difference is that our finances in 2009 were OK, and K-rag's buyout was $2 million. Satterfield's is $10 million, and we all know about our financial condition...

Covid has affected everyone, not just Louisville, but it hasn't affected everyone the same way. It has been an odd year and feels like one big exhibition season. CSS earned enough capital with me last year that I am willing to overlook this one without feeling like I'm sticking my head in the sand.

I mentioned earlier that the Reds (who I am a huge fan of) went to the MLB playoffs this year and it never felt real and I didn't care that much - I didn't even watch - which is crazy for me.

This Louisville football team has 3 wins and now has to wait 3 weeks for the "opportunity" to win a 4th game to end the season. I can't imagine they'll be motivated for that game. I would not blame them if the team just wants this oddball of a year overwith asap. I'm not an excuses guy, I never make them, but this whole year is one big asterisk.

 

[Morgantown Card]

How do recruits believe he’s here to stay?

That won't be too difficult - by far the most convincing thing will be his 3-8 record for 2021! 😄😄

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

UofL has won with multiple brands/styles of a HC so not buying any"fit" theory. He beat a lower ring SEC team in a bowl his first year. Took a step back year 2. Year 3 is probably the "tell"...since these guys avg 4 years per stop not sure it matters all that much if he is or isn't the "guy" I'm just hoping it doesn't turn into a complete dumpster fire so the next guy up whenever that is has something to work with.

 

[beantowncard]

Zipp has nothing to do with running CSS out of here. He did it to himself. His agent let it be known there was some interest in the USC job. As far as I know CSS hasn’t fired his agent so it sounds like his agent did it with his blessing... I don’t know how CSS rebuilds the trust he lost by letting that happen. How do recruits believe he’s here to stay?

It’s not necessarily a firable offense- Jurich kept Petrino after multiple dalliances and even rehired the guy. We suspect it was Sexton, but don’t know (it’s the kind of thing he would do). Zipp just hates Vince NQ so much he would want whoever VT hired out. As much as I’d like to see Sexton get fired, I don’t think he’s lost any trust

 

[Rollem Cards]

What coach anywhere is there “to stay”?

BP1 loved it here, had an Orange Bowl winner, signed a new mega bucks contract and was gone in a week. (Although nobody will convince me that he wasn’t aware of the gaping holes/depth in his recruiting)

Charley wasn’t cut like that.

Coaches and their agents all have their ear to the ground.

No matter what they “say”.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Coaches literally come and go. Not sure any players plan on sticking around too long either.

 

[nccardfan]

What coach anywhere is there “to stay”?

BP1 loved it here, had an Orange Bowl winner, signed a new mega bucks contract and was gone in a week. (Although nobody will convince me that he wasn’t aware of the gaping holes/depth in his recruiting)

Charley wasn’t cut like that.

Coaches and their agents all have their ear to the ground.

No matter what they “say”.

The difference is those coaches were successful and developed a market for themselves. They became a hot commodity. Satterfield through his agent let everyone know he’s not sure he wants to be here. Big, big difference..

 

[PushupMan]

The difference is those coaches were successful and developed a market for themselves. They became a hot commodity. Satterfield through his agent let everyone know he’s not sure he wants to be here. Big, big difference..

COVID-19 is a wildcard here that you just cannot dismiss. That virus is literally eating 25% of the annual budget of every major program in college football this year: wiping out at least 80% of the gate receipts and concession sales for every football and men’s basketball home game.

There is tremendous pressure to cut costs wherever possible in many of these athletic departments. You‘ve seen many schools go to their football and basketball coaches and ask them to take pay cuts to help balance budgets. I haven’t heard of UofL doing that yet, but then again we have seen multiple firings and position cuts in Uofl’s support staff. And the longer this continues, the more likely pay cuts to the assistant coaches and even the head coach are going to be needed.

Ask yourself what the likelihood is that UofL’s AD is going to be willing to open up the checkbook in the off-season and outbid other schools for top assistant coaches, or even to outbid other schools for coaches currently on staff that we’d like to keep .... and then consider what’s happening at South Carolina, where they have signaled that they are opening up their checkbook to hire a new coach and are planning to give him whatever he needs to succeed.

Now remind me again why, if you’re Satterfield, that you don’t at least listen to any offer South Carolina wants to make?

 

[nccardfan]

As far as I know, they didn’t make him an offer. In fact, he was on a list of 10 other guys. They’re just speculating that USC is going to throw big money after a new coach.
Plus, unlike maybe other schools U of L usually honors their coaches first contracts, he should show the same respect. Plus all that other coach jargon about being committed to the kids, getting Louisville back to winning program, etc, etc

 

[Knucklehank1]

It’s kind of interesting. Old Zipper has been laying low and then suddenly reappears on the football board when the season is going kind of sour. It’ll be interesting to see if he reintroduces himself on the bball board.

 

[zipp]

'Ole zipper' is on the free basketball board too. LINK

I tend to wander in whenever the mods leave the door open. I'll be back on the other side of the paywall too once I re-up after getting my last subscription refunded. (Don't ban me and expect to be paid.) But I digress...

Fit is exactly what we have experienced here with many coaches, and Satterfield may or may not be the next. It's a perfectly valid issue to discuss unless you're trying to protect "Vince" and his decisions as some like beano continue to do.

Strong and Smith took other jobs and failed. K-rag was successful elsewhere and failed here. The Pipe and Petrino are the only guys to succeed here AND elsewhere. Over nearly four decades of U of L head coaching changes, fit tends to be a better indicator of success than not...

 

[BPGhost]

'Ole zipper' is on the free basketball board too. I tend to wander in whenever the mods leave the door open. I'll be back on the other side of the paywall too once I re-up after getting my last subscription refunded. (Don't ban me and expect to be paid.)

Look out Howie. Once the ole zipper buries his teeth in on a legal claim - there’s no one that can stop him.

I mean except the courts - they historically have stopped him.

On to SCOTUS!!

 

[zipp]

...I mean except the courts - they historically have stopped him...

The off topic board, if you dare... LINK

 

[BPGhost]

The off topic board, if you dare... LINK

Lol - your refutation is an article that reports you (and your cohorts) having to pay thousands of dollars of restitution, being prohibited from holding decision making positions in the future and in the coup de grace - “requires (you) to transfer two parking spots back to the homeowners association” - that you obviously illegally usurped. Geez - with evidence like that, no wonder you’re so bad at court.

And, I’ll join you on the off topic (paid) board once you get your last subscription refunded.

#zipptoo

 

[zipp]

Lol - your refutation is an article that reports you (and your cohorts) having to pay thousands of dollars of restitution, being prohibited from holding decision making positions in the future and in the coup de grace - “requires (you) to transfer two parking spots back to the homeowners association” - that you obviously illegally usurped. Geez - with evidence like that, no wonder you’re so bad at court.

And, I’ll join you on the off topic (paid) board once you get your last subscription refunded.

#zipptoo

As I said, off topic board--where you'll get schooled in more ish you don't know...

 

[BPGhost]

As I said, off topic board--where you'll get schooled in more ish you don't know...

Candidly, the subject and topic are not interesting enough for me pay money to discuss it further on another board. Besides as the multiple examples of reporting have shown - It clearly was an open and shut case that you and your co-defendants lost.

 

[Morgantown Card]

#zipptoo

THis made me LOL

 

[chevelle99]

A paid subscription gets someone more posts from Zipp. LOL, line starts here.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

A paid subscription gets someone more posts from Zipp. LOL, line starts here.

Keep in mind he could go on the "disabled list" lots to weigh here.

 

[502Cards1]

Man you guys are ridiculous. CSS has had 1.5 recruiting class in. THATS IT. How are you guys judging Louisville’s success on them? The defense has TREMENDOUSLY improved in year 2. We have been awful in the turnover department, I’ve got good news guys, that’s fixable. Next year isn’t the end all he all either. Year 4 is the year I’ll truly be eyeing where the program is at. He has shown to be a great evaluator of talent. For example he offer Big Zen when his only offers were like ball state and WKU. 1 year later he has OSU, Penn St, etc. Yes we lost the kid but he knows how to evaluate talent and he knows what he wants in his system.

 

[zipp]

Candidly, the subject and topic are not interesting enough for me pay money to discuss it further on another board. Besides as the multiple examples of reporting have shown - It clearly was an open and shut case that you and your co-defendants lost.

LOL... An "open and shut" case that took three years to litigate WITHOUT resolution at trial.

Stick to sports. You know less about other things that really matter...

 

[beantowncard]

'Ole zipper' is on the free basketball board too. LINK

I tend to wander in whenever the mods leave the door open. I'll be back on the other side of the paywall too once I re-up after getting my last subscription refunded. (Don't ban me and expect to be paid.) But I digress...

Fit is exactly what we have experienced here with many coaches, and Satterfield may or may not be the next. It's a perfectly valid issue to discuss unless you're trying to protect "Vince" and his decisions as some like beano continue to do.

Strong and Smith took other jobs and failed. K-rag was successful elsewhere and failed here. The Pipe and Petrino are the only guys to succeed here AND elsewhere. Over nearly four decades of U of L head coaching changes, fit tends to be a better indicator of success than not...

“Beano” just defends reason and logic. He has no hatred for “clown shows” that are almost entirely gone from UofL, and he doesn’t blame people for being hired by somebody he doesn’t like. He evaluates situations as they come, without bias, unless they involve UaKay or Memphis State. Then, he is very biased.

 

[zipp]

Man you guys are ridiculous. CSS has had 1.5 recruiting class in. THATS IT. How are you guys judging Louisville’s success on them? The defense has TREMENDOUSLY improved in year 2. We have been awful in the turnover department, I’ve got good news guys, that’s fixable. Next year isn’t the end all he all either. Year 4 is the year I’ll truly be eyeing where the program is at. He has shown to be a great evaluator of talent. For example he offer Big Zen when his only offers were like ball state and WKU. 1 year later he has OSU, Penn St, etc. Yes we lost the kid but he knows how to evaluate talent and he knows what he wants in his system.

Our total defense is 392 ypg allowed this year. Last year it was 440 ypg. "Tremendously better" is a stretch, but I've already acknowledged that the defense better.

But this team overall has unquestionably regressed. And how can that be a talent issue when, except for one O-lineman, the talent last year was no better? SWITCH the last two years, and I understand the optimism.

Our recruiting will end up 30-ish or so nationally where it routinely has been. That's good enough to consistently win, but it's not the basis to predict big things in the future. A good coach will take the current roster and win with it like we did last year.

I also don't wanna hear about Covid which every program is dealing with. It's the same handicap for everyone...

 

[zipp]

...He evaluates situations as they come, without bias, unless they involve UaKay...

Where do you think your AD came from?

And a "show" is more than 1 or 2 guys, esp. when they were leading the show...

 

[BPGhost]

LOL... An "open and shut" case that took three years to litigate WITHOUT resolution at trial.

Stick to sports. You know less about other things that really matter...

Hmmm - I’d say you having to resign your position, being prohibited from being on the board in the future, paying thousands of dollars of restitution and ceding back property in the form of parking spots - sure seems like a resolution.

#winning?

 

[beantowncard]

Where do you think your AD came from?

And a "show" is more than 1 or 2 guys, esp. when they were leading the show...

Maybe he wasn’t a good enough baseball player to make it at UofL, so he chose a place where he could play. Remember, CHS was from UK. Was he a clown, too? I don’t hold it against people when they see the error of their ways, reject the darkness and come to the light.

 

[mwatson61]

I have a headache again! This thread 👎

 

[chevelle99]

In one last time before the lock!

 

[502Cards1]

Our total defense is 392 ypg allowed this year. Last year it was 440 ypg. "Tremendously better" is a stretch, but I've already acknowledged that the defense better.

But this team overall has unquestionably regressed. And how can that be a talent issue when, except for one O-lineman, the talent last year was no better? SWITCH the last two years, and I understand the optimism.

Our recruiting will end up 30-ish or so nationally where it routinely has been. That's good enough to consistently win, but it's not the basis to predict big things in the future. A good coach will take the current roster and win with it like we did last year.

I also don't wanna hear about Covid which every program is dealing with. It's the same handicap for everyone...

So cool they are allowing 50 yards less per game and a year before that we were allowing 530 yards per game. So yeah since they have been there it has TREMENDOUSLY improved. Also you failed to mention PPG allowed. 2018: 44ppg 2019: 33.4ppg and 2020: 27.2. So where is there not a large improvement I’m confused? Allowing 17 less points then when they got here, 6.2 less then last year. Allowing 140 yards less per game since arriving. 50 since last year. Do the math. They have gotten way better, a lot of the players playing currently don’t even fit their scheme haha. I’m not an optimist, I’m a realist. Rome wasn’t built in a day nor was Clemson or anyone else. The fact of the matter is the biggest difference between the last 2 years have been turnover margin. That’s where we suck. Stop the BS.

 

[BPGhost]

Maybe he wasn’t a good enough baseball player to make it at UofL, so he chose a place where he could play. Remember, CHS was from UK. Was he a clown, too? I don’t hold it against people when they see the error of their ways, reject the darkness and come to the light.

During those years - UofL’s baseball program was pretty bad - maybe 3rd or 4th best in the state. Tyra was pretty highly sought after - it would have been a bad move on his part staying home unfortunately.

Not that it matters to the ole zipper - he would dislike whoever took over for his hero TJ.

 

[Thecycle27]

During those years - UofL’s baseball program was pretty bad - maybe 3rd or 4th best in the state. Tyra was pretty highly sought after - it would have been a bad move on his part staying home unfortunately.

Not that it matters to the ole zipper - he would dislike whoever took over for his hero TJ.

I played at Louisville when Vince played at UK. He made the right choice at that time. We were still the 2nd best team in the state but it was a distant 2nd. Madison was a really good coach especially with pitchers. They were really good.

Louisville just didn’t have any resources back then which makes what McDonnell built even more impressive.

 

[Mike'sMarbles]

There's not enough results for me to decide how I feel about Satterfield as our long term coach. Whatever long term means these days. I thought our next coach after Petrino would win 1-3, 1-3, 3-5 games the first 3 years.

I'm in the camp of waiting for results in Year 4 before I decide.

 

[beantowncard]

During those years - UofL’s baseball program was pretty bad - maybe 3rd or 4th best in the state. Tyra was pretty highly sought after - it would have been a bad move on his part staying home unfortunately.

Not that it matters to the ole zipper - he would dislike whoever took over for his hero TJ.

I was just kidding

 

[BPGhost]

I played at Louisville when Vince played at UK. He made the right choice at that time. We were still the 2nd best team in the state but it was a distant 2nd. Madison was a really good coach especially with pitchers. They were really good.

Louisville just didn’t have any resources back then which makes what McDonnell built even more impressive.

EKU was probably a better program during the 80’s but, it’s subjective. Had several friends on that UofL team that I played legion ball with. Good guys.