Conference shake ups….again?
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I doubt Texas has the votes to gain entrance into the SEC (4 votes against is the line). Texas A&M doesn't want Texas and several other schools have already said they are backing A&M. I seriously doubt Oklahoma will go without Texas. There's also opposition within the Oklahoma legislature; who want OU and Oklahoma State in the same conference. It will be interesting in the coming days. If they do leave the Big 12, might WV want to return to the ACC? Would the ACC welcome them back? How will another conference realignment affect ND?
I imagine Missouri would vote against Texas. They, along with A&M, bolted the Big 12 because of Texas arrogance. The $EC wouldn’t let them have their Longhorn Network either.
Good thing this isn't our issue. Sorrrryyyy WVU!
From the SEC chatter, aTm and Missouri are pretty much not just no but hell no to Texas, indifferent to the Sooners.
Arkansas has little love for the Longhorns, but time and money heal lots of things.
Texas as rules stand would either have to give up the "Longhorn Network" or agree to divide equally into shares...two shares for Texas, one for the league office, one for each of the other 15 schools.
Oklahoma legislature wants to get involved so Oklahoma and Ok State stay in the same conference.
I tend to think this is a power/money play from Texas backed by Oklahoma.
As far as a conference line vote, from what I've read it would be 2 strong no, one dont think so, and whatever Alabama and Georgia want.
The league itself has said it was not interested in further expansion, but money talks. This would in theory create two mini conferences...and without format change still guarantee some of these teams not play against each other for years.
Sure is interesting though. And yes.. West Virginia really belongs in the ACC rather than the Big 12...geographically at any rate.
Arkansas has little love for the Longhorns, but time and money heal lots of things.
Texas as rules stand would either have to give up the "Longhorn Network" or agree to divide equally into shares...two shares for Texas, one for the league office, one for each of the other 15 schools.
Oklahoma legislature wants to get involved so Oklahoma and Ok State stay in the same conference.
I tend to think this is a power/money play from Texas backed by Oklahoma.
As far as a conference line vote, from what I've read it would be 2 strong no, one dont think so, and whatever Alabama and Georgia want.
The league itself has said it was not interested in further expansion, but money talks. This would in theory create two mini conferences...and without format change still guarantee some of these teams not play against each other for years.
Sure is interesting though. And yes.. West Virginia really belongs in the ACC rather than the Big 12...geographically at any rate.
That was my first thought, as well. Be careful what you wish for, WVU. As far as Texas and OU go, they need 11/14 SEC schools to be on board. There are obviously going to be some hard no's, but both schools will have ample time to lobby, make amends where need be, and negotiate. Something like this doesn't leak if there was going to be any chance they don't get in. I'm more interested in the fall out of the other B12 teams. Does the B12 absorb UC, Memphis, UCF, Houston, etc., or does it fold, and the other power conferences take on the left overs? Should be a fun ride.
It seems like this is only "news" to us. Apparently there is and has been active talk in creating a 4 'pod'
Alignment in the SEC. Whether this is football, basketball or both I have no idea.
Alignment in the SEC. Whether this is football, basketball or both I have no idea.
I think they would be better served to add those schools.
It would expand their footprint into some bigger areas. Cincy and Ohio as a whole can get them a bigger midwest hold. Memphis is a decent sized market and can get them more attention in the south (Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas are closer) UCF would add Florida to the conference. Houston is the 4th biggest city in the nation and a cultural fit. They are all solid programs. They would not replace the 2 giants, but they would be a deep conference with alot of good programs.
I really dont want the ACC to add anymore. Im waiting for ND to finally join and then in my opinion, we need UConn in the ACC. Its just a fit with Cuse & Pitt up there.
Cuse and Pitt have BC to keep them company. When the whole UCONN or Louisville to the ACC was going down, besides UofL's resume' and our extremely influential power brokers at that time, geography played a huge role. ACC old guard did not want another northern team/school. Plus, I think UCONN is happy to be back in the Big East, where they belong. They don't care about football.
Well that's not going to happen before 2037. ND has 50 million dollars and their media rights tied up in this current deal with the ACC. ND isn't going any where for the next 15 years even if they wanted to exit the ACC.
ACC, Notre Dame extend football partnership through 2037 | The North State Journal
Notre Dame still isn't a full-fledged member of the ACC in football. But thanks to an extension of its partnership with the conference, the Irish will continue to play five games annually against ACC opponents for at least the next 20 years. The new deal, which was announced Thursday, calls for eac
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As impossible as it sounds in this day of everyone is a newscaster, reports are eking out that this has been in the works for some time.
I knew Texas had dropped, but three reports today are that they have agreed to give up their current financial plans, including the Longhorn Network, and abide by current SEC rule on money distribution.
Word is deal is 95% done (we know how they fall through) and what remains is conference division.
Floating rumors of replacements in the Big 12 include Cincinatti, Houston, SMU, Memphis.....crazy as it sounds, all are closer than West Virginia.
This is all about money. Period. More teams like this are more shots at the playoff....ESPECIALLY if it goes to 12 teams...and a future tv package that may be ridiculous.
A current model has Bama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn in the east (UK, Tennessee, S Carolina and Vandy to round out)
Texas. Texas a&m, LSU, Oklahoma and the rest in the West.
I knew Texas had dropped, but three reports today are that they have agreed to give up their current financial plans, including the Longhorn Network, and abide by current SEC rule on money distribution.
Word is deal is 95% done (we know how they fall through) and what remains is conference division.
Floating rumors of replacements in the Big 12 include Cincinatti, Houston, SMU, Memphis.....crazy as it sounds, all are closer than West Virginia.
This is all about money. Period. More teams like this are more shots at the playoff....ESPECIALLY if it goes to 12 teams...and a future tv package that may be ridiculous.
A current model has Bama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn in the east (UK, Tennessee, S Carolina and Vandy to round out)
Texas. Texas a&m, LSU, Oklahoma and the rest in the West.
It's everyones issue because the SEC just lobbed a grenade at every other conference. Louisville has had a history of success recruiting in the south. With Texas and OU going to the SEC, the best just got better. It's going to be difficult to lure southern kids away from the potential $$$(NIL) that the SEC has to offer. If you're a high 3 star recruit from Florida, do you want to play where 70,000 show up for every game in the SEC, or 30,000 show up at Louisville?
Of course, a recruit like that has a better chance to come in and make a name for himself right away at Louisville. And it's not as if Louisville was ever going to snag and 5 star talent before NIL. I'm not saying it will decimate recruiting, but it's a strike against the Cards.
I'd like to see the ACC force ND to join, but ND doesn't "need" the ACC so there's little leverage. Therefore the ACC had better snatch up Cincy and WVU as quickly as possible.
ACC schools like FSU, Miami, VT, and Clemson will never let that happen. The coaches, players, and fans don't want another northern basketball school that's 1000 miles away with kickoff temperatures of 35 degrees. Neither do I.
Say what you want, but it's time for the ACC to be aggressive, because these moves do not happen in a vacuum.
These new "super-leagues" are coming and it will be an arms race. Don't be surprised if the Big Ten decides to make moves towards FSU & Clemson to expand their footprint. Think I'm crazy? The money is getting large and if Tex/OU would leave an easier situation for a harder road in football, FSU & Clemson would too if the money is right.
Baylor, Iowa State, WVU, Notre Dame, etc. We have to start making moves, because if the ACC loses our big dogs then we are back where we were in the Old Big East.
These new "super-leagues" are coming and it will be an arms race. Don't be surprised if the Big Ten decides to make moves towards FSU & Clemson to expand their footprint. Think I'm crazy? The money is getting large and if Tex/OU would leave an easier situation for a harder road in football, FSU & Clemson would too if the money is right.
Baylor, Iowa State, WVU, Notre Dame, etc. We have to start making moves, because if the ACC loses our big dogs then we are back where we were in the Old Big East.
Teams joining the Big hasn't done so great considering their history going into the league. Nebraska and Penn State aren't what they use too be. Michigan and Ohio State dominate that league with an iron fist. It's the reason they fought for decades to keep ND out.
And Texas and Oklahoma just left a conference they rule with an Iron Fist. This whole tradition crap or easier road doesn’t matter.
You think Texas is gonna have more power in a league with Bama after leaving a league they were allowed their own personal TV deal?
If Clemson and FSU see that the ACC is not cutting the mustard, they’ll listen and leave.
FSU hasn't cut any mustard in a long time.
National Champs in 2013 and Playoffs in 2014 and were in the Orange Bowl in 2016. Massive fan base and a recruiting draw and they get ratings. FSU also has had some financial issues compared to other schools, they'd move if it came down to money. Clemson & FSU have been the only teams that can compete for a playoff spot in the conference. Miami and VT have potential, but haven't gotten there yet.
We need to add ND full time and probably WVU and I think the ACC would be set as a league.
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The ACC is the only conference I'd be alright with ND joining today. I love our independence in football BUT I really like the ACC Conference. If it helps the ACC then I say yes.
Sounds like Texas and Oklahoma are gone period and whether its SEC or Big 10....they gone.
Faint possibility that Texas A&M will go back to be THE big dog, but really faint unless the Big 12 parlayed up Texas type deal.
Look for the Big 12 to send out invites...
Houston, Cincinatti, Boisie....
As of Monday they are gutted waiting to die.
And best guess is NO ONE wants to wait until 2025.....many are now saying 2022 with agreed buyouts.
Whew.
Faint possibility that Texas A&M will go back to be THE big dog, but really faint unless the Big 12 parlayed up Texas type deal.
Look for the Big 12 to send out invites...
Houston, Cincinatti, Boisie....
As of Monday they are gutted waiting to die.
And best guess is NO ONE wants to wait until 2025.....many are now saying 2022 with agreed buyouts.
Whew.
Man this is a great thread.
I think UofL is fortunate to be in the ACC, the Big12 may get wiped out here, this could be a 4 league super conference situation.
I think UofL is fortunate to be in the ACC, the Big12 may get wiped out here, this could be a 4 league super conference situation.
Do academic requirements in the Big10 make their invites somewhat complicated? They have an elitist mindset and may not be in a hurry to add programs like Clemson believe it or not. Nearly every team in the B1G is the state flagship college.
They have a money mindset.
With Texas/OU, the SEC is going to get ALL the TV dollars because they'll have 8 games a weekend and most all of them will have a ranked team or a powerhouse with a brand name.
The Big Ten and ACC need to evaluate things. If you're the Big Ten, if you can have a Saturday with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Clemson, and FSU as your teams you'll feel a lot better going into negotiations.
Right now the ACC generally has Clemson and everyone else and FSU/Miami generate some buzz due to their status as a brand name. The TV money is going to be the driving force for them, if they think the ACC isn't going to keep them up in terms of money then they'll look at options.
Clemson is WAY ahead of SC, but say the SEC TV money starts way outdoing the ACC money and SC can start hiring way more staff and better facilities, not to mention competing with Tennessee & Georgia for recruits in their back yard too.
The Big 10 has made some calculated moves that just didnt work as hoped.
Nebraska, with the history, tradition and fan passion SHOULD have been a home run bonanza. Just wasn't. Michigan no longer creates nationwide television interest...in fact they are really not as good today as Northwestern and Michigan State....who have passionate fans but not Television audience.
Penn State was the Alabama of that area as far as fan loyalty and "viewability"....but the absolute grotesque nightmare of what happened and the cover up (yes, Michigan State as well) has taken most of the wind out of their sails.
Yeah....last year shredded their last vestige of nobility when they announced for the safety of everyone there would be no football.......until they saw the southern schools being the show. Then their tru colors came out and created a bastardized joke of a schedule and media muscle to keep like four or five more deserving teams out of the playoff.
The SEC is about power and money...which everyone can hate, but they arent hypocritical about it.
The Big Ten by and large is a fraud that wants to be emperor.
And yes, I'll say it ...the ACC is better, when looked at top to bottom.
Nebraska, with the history, tradition and fan passion SHOULD have been a home run bonanza. Just wasn't. Michigan no longer creates nationwide television interest...in fact they are really not as good today as Northwestern and Michigan State....who have passionate fans but not Television audience.
Penn State was the Alabama of that area as far as fan loyalty and "viewability"....but the absolute grotesque nightmare of what happened and the cover up (yes, Michigan State as well) has taken most of the wind out of their sails.
Yeah....last year shredded their last vestige of nobility when they announced for the safety of everyone there would be no football.......until they saw the southern schools being the show. Then their tru colors came out and created a bastardized joke of a schedule and media muscle to keep like four or five more deserving teams out of the playoff.
The SEC is about power and money...which everyone can hate, but they arent hypocritical about it.
The Big Ten by and large is a fraud that wants to be emperor.
And yes, I'll say it ...the ACC is better, when looked at top to bottom.
I am shocked as well that reports are it will be voted on as early as next week and also reported it will be approved 13-1. Texas has agreed to all conference stipulations including the revenue sharing.
The school bully met a bigger bully.
I think the ACC will be vastly improved this year with Clemson as the flagship once again. However UNC and Miami will have ranked teams and several other schools will be much improved. But because this is always talked about if we add teams I would like them to be WVU and Cincinnati.
I know the WVU fan base is awful to deal with and it has hurt them regarding to conference acceptance. Even though they have a good football history and they are in our region. I feel the same regarding Cincinnati and both schools would jump at the opportunity to join the ACC. All this being said I am glad we are where we are and don’t have to sweat it out.
I know the WVU fan base is awful to deal with and it has hurt them regarding to conference acceptance. Even though they have a good football history and they are in our region. I feel the same regarding Cincinnati and both schools would jump at the opportunity to join the ACC. All this being said I am glad we are where we are and don’t have to sweat it out.
There are some reports that one item under consideration at the called meeting of the remaining Big 12 was to attempt to join the Pac 12 and create a 20 team super conference.
No Directional Florida schools. The ACC already has FSU and Miami.
My picks would be to force ND to join full time and reluctantly, WVU. Adding a Big 12-4+2-2 school is a stretch. I like all the ACC schools in the same time zone.
Well it will cost them 480 mil to do that so I think the ACC will sit this dance out until they decide to pick someone up, if they even do.
why would texas and oklahoma leave? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
i think the SEC paid out way more money back to schools then big 12. considering thsoe two state are run by super rich oil men, their $79 buyouts will be nothing and they'll gain that back in the next SEC tv contract. the only reason for this move is they can make more money in higher profile tv games in the sEC than they can in whatever league they are in. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
i think the SEC paid out way more money back to schools then big 12. considering thsoe two state are run by super rich oil men, their $79 buyouts will be nothing and they'll gain that back in the next SEC tv contract. the only reason for this move is they can make more money in higher profile tv games in the sEC than they can in whatever league they are in. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
UCF adds absolutely nothing to, or for the ACC. The ACC already has a imprint in Florida already FSU and Miami.
Seems like these schools that leave their region and join another conference never do well. There is no way Michigan or Ohio State would ever go into that conference. If they did they would never be talked about again. Why would Clemson leave a conference they dominate and get into the playoffs every year.
Money is nice but becoming irrelevant is not worth it. I think if they go to super conferences they will have a representative from each power conference in the playoffs. If all the good schools are in one conference there will be a lot of good schools left out of the playoffs.
Money is nice but becoming irrelevant is not worth it. I think if they go to super conferences they will have a representative from each power conference in the playoffs. If all the good schools are in one conference there will be a lot of good schools left out of the playoffs.
So many rumors hard to know what is sh!t thrown up against the wall or legit. A super conference of 20+ in the SEC is probably bad for overall fan interest. The bottom tier in that super 20+ are going to be hopeless which people probably don't think much about. Of course the rest of the nation would feel shut out, just have nots maybe, if it turns into that, something like that could happen not saying it will.
It's already nearly impossible to break through to the playoff. If you remove that P5 affiliation giving at least a theoretical path for a team that has a special season, how will fans outside of the top 20 remain engaged?
It's already nearly impossible to break through to the playoff. If you remove that P5 affiliation giving at least a theoretical path for a team that has a special season, how will fans outside of the top 20 remain engaged?
