Committee on Infractions

[Knucklehank1]

UofL is meeting with that COI today. This is the next big step.

One interesting paraphrase from the beat writer Jeff Greer was that he was surprised that UofL fans aren't more concerned about harsher penalties.

 

[zipp]

Greer's a media hack trying to create news stories. He knows nothing more than the rest of us, maybe not as much...

 

[cardfaninmemphis]

UofL is meeting with that COI today. This is the next big step.

One interesting paraphrase from the beat writer Jeff Greer was that he was surprised that UofL fans aren't more concerned about harsher penalties.

Stupid comment from Greer. Fans have no control over what the COI will do, so we don't need to waste our time being more concerned about it. I don't think we owe him any apologies because we aren't concerned enough to satisfy him.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Stupid comment from Greer. Fans have no control over what the COI will do, so we don't need to waste our time being more concerned about it. I don't think we owe him any apologies because we aren't concerned enough to satisfy him.

We have no control over the outcome of games either but we waste a lot of time discussing and worrying about them.

 

[cardfaninmemphis]

We have no control over the outcome of games either but we waste a lot of time discussing and worrying about them.

That's because we enjoy doing that. Discussing the COI: not so much

 

[CardVille]

I expect RP to get a 9 game suspension like Boeheim[sp] and Brown did. If that is all that happens, then take it and run with it.

 

[Kentucky31]

Suspend Pitino for around 10 games should be the extent of further punishment. I just don't see them tacking on another year of no post season

 

[wilkie01]

Now we wait 6 to 8 weeks for our sentence as we have been found guilty by the NCAA.

 

[tluck28]

UofL is meeting with that COI today. This is the next big step.

One interesting paraphrase from the beat writer Jeff Greer was that he was surprised that UofL fans aren't more concerned about harsher penalties.

If fans aren't nervous about the banner coming down or harsh penalties, then you live ina fanstasy land. I am nervous as hell. It was disgusting what happened here. Nasty hookers in dorm rooms, paid for by an assistant coach.

My personal gut feeling is that this is the end of Pitino at UofL. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[cardfaninmemphis]

If fans aren't nervous about the banner coming down or harsh penalties, then you live ina fanstasy land. I am nervous as hell. It was disgusting what happened here. Nasty hookers in dorm rooms, paid for by an assistant coach.

My personal gut feeling is that this is the end of Pitino at UofL. I hope I'm wrong.

While I share your disgust with the situation, I don't think the penalties will be based on the disgust. They will be based on the rule infractions, all of which have been outlined. The incidents were not part of any larger pattern of disgusting behavior or part of an atmosphere supported by the coach or the athletic department. And there was no academic misconduct, which the usual cause for huge penalties.
I expect Pitino to face a suspension, but I am not expecting any seasons being vacated or a banner coming down.

 

[zipp]

No one has any guarantee this is over in 6-8 weeks either. To my knowledge, yesterday's outcome can also be appealed.

The NCAA isn't the US Supreme Court. And I've been listening for--and haven't heard it yet--a comment from Jurich that U of L would accept this Committee's decision. Anything rising to the level of "banner" is far from a done deal.

Wouldn't surprise me if a Pitino suspension also gets appealed. That's a bigger deal to U of L than we probably understand...

 

[ULarder]

If fans aren't nervous about the banner coming down or harsh penalties, then you live ina fanstasy land. I am nervous as hell. It was disgusting what happened here. Nasty hookers in dorm rooms, paid for by an assistant coach.

My personal gut feeling is that this is the end of Pitino at UofL. I hope I'm wrong.

No banner is coming down. You’ve been paying too much attention to loser UK fans who live vicariously through the UK basketball team. Idiots who never attended the school for which they have an unhealthy obsession (or probably any school beyond 6th grade), yet think kids going to the college and playing sports owe them something. You know the type – always talking about “titles are what matter” like they had anything to do with it and a title(s) somehow makes up for all their own failures and inadequacies.

Stripped down (couldn’t help it), what happened at UL was just an extra-benefit case – although admittedly a salacious one – caused by an apparently naïve, idiot, rogue employee. There was no institutional level involvement. Pitino might sit some games under a strict-liability standard, but otherwise I think that’s it.

Good god, look at what went on at UNC. If they don’t have to worry about banners coming down, why the hell should it even come up with our issues that are so minor in comparison to not even be worthy of being discussed together.

 

[Knucklehank1]

No one has any guarantee this is over in 6-8 weeks either. To my knowledge, yesterday's outcome can also be appealed.

The NCAA isn't the US Supreme Court. And I've been listening for--and haven't heard it yet--a comment from Jurich that U of L would accept this Committee's decision. Anything rising to the level of "banner" is far from a done deal.

Wouldn't surprise me if a Pitino suspension also doesn't get appealed. That's a bigger deal to U of L than we probably understand...

I feel like a suspension is a bigger deal to Rick Pitino. He is highly sensitive to his legacy. He might have to put his ego aside and just take the medicine.

 

[zipp]

I feel like a suspension is a bigger deal to Rick Pitino. He is highly sensitive to his legacy. He might have to put his ego aside and just take the medicine.

Well, it's a big deal to Pitino for sure. I think we're gonna find out that Jurich considers it a big deal too.

I also think our fans underestimate the effect that a 5-10 game suspension will have. Look how Duke performed when their head guy was on the sidelines. And ours would be a complete dissociation of coach and team. Pitino could have nothing to do with his assistants and players while suspended. In a year when many fans are expecting big things, that could be an even bigger deal...

 

[flyercard]

While I share your disgust with the situation, I don't think the penalties will be based on the disgust. They will be based on the rule infractions, all of which have been outlined. The incidents were not part of any larger pattern of disgusting behavior or part of an atmosphere supported by the coach or the athletic department. And there was no academic misconduct, which the usual cause for huge penalties.
I expect Pitino to face a suspension, but I am not expecting any seasons being vacated or a banner coming down.

Certainly, the penalties will be based on the disgust. If it weren't for the disgust factor, this matter would be over long ago. Objectively, the "proven" rule infractions would not involve this much scrutiny. Also, they are after CRP because of his "disgusting" affair, even though that was not a NCAA violation.

 

[cardfaninmemphis]

Certainly, the penalties will be based on the disgust. If it weren't for the disgust factor, this matter would be over long ago. Objectively, the "proven" rule infractions would not involve this much scrutiny. Also, they are after CRP because of his "disgusting" affair, even though that was not a NCAA violation.

So, you are saying it isn't really the disgustingness of the actions; it is the time and effort put in by the NCAA to investigate the infractions that will have an impact on the penalties. The "disgustingness" of them just made it harder, thus the penalties will be harsher.
You are also saying that the NCAA is out to get Pitino because of what happened back around 2008. That all sounds more like a conspiracy theory.

 

[Cardsfan62]

I believe it could be 9 game suspension. If you thought about time and effort then UNC is going to get the death penalty, lose banners, and close their school.

 

[Cats192]

Suspend Pitino for around 10 games should be the extent of further punishment. I just don't see them tacking on another year of no post season

Either you think RP had involvement and deserves to be punished, or he didn't and he doesn't.

If they decide he didn't, no penalty and move on.

If they decide he did, I think weighing it vs Boeheim's is appropriate. 9 games for Academic misconduct and impermissible benefits vs providing call girls for dancing and other things. These 2 are clearly not equal, and the suspensions will reflect that.

That's IF they decide RP is at fault here, which I'm not convinced will be the case.

 

[davecmc]

It's already been determined that Rick Pitino had no involvement. All parties, including the NCAA, agree to that.

What hasn't been determined yet is what level of punishment should RP get for failing to monitor McGee better. That's the dispute. Pitino says "look these parties happened 4 times a year and they were hid from me and the rest of my staff. You can't punish me for that. No one would have known with that few of occurrences and McGee was being deliberately covert."

The NCAA says "screw that, you should have been checking on things better. You're the head coach."

That's the dispute and that's what RP and Jurich will appeal if they feel the suspension is too harsh.

 

[FURYREVENGE4]

Brandon Williams was also at the hearing. So alot hinges on what he says also considering he seems to be the one the ncaa thinks was the other person involved according to Powell.

 

[earsky]

Either you think RP had involvement and deserves to be punished, or he didn't and he doesn't.

If they decide he didn't, no penalty and move on.

He runs the program.That's why he will probably face a suspension.It has nothing to do with "involvement".
If he were involved,which is a ridiculous notion,we'd have a much larger problem.