Cincy is proof that we are better off

[LeFors4Ever]

Cincy has been the darling of this season. Undefeated with a win over ND. Dominating the AAC. But, they have a low chance at the playoffs. Remember 2006? Even if we'd finished undefeated, it's possible a 2 loss LSU would've jumped us in the rankings. Remember 2012 and 2013? We played one team in the regular season in that 2 year period that finished the season ranked (UCF loss).

Now we all talk about how we're used to winning big and all these high beliefs, but look at Cincy. They're where we were 7 years ago. The best Group of 5 team and thinking they have a chance at a title, but they really don't As much as we don't like to look back at reality at times, those years we were ranked and amazing we were dominating a lower league. We never had a chance to win a title, no matter how good we were. UCF learned it in 2017.

Cincy is going to head to the Big 12 and they'll soon learn what WVU, Rutgers, and our beloved Louisville have all learned since moving up a level, it isn't as easy as it looks. Cincy is a solid team and it make me jealous seeing them get that love, but I know they wouldn't be getting that love in the ACC. So yes, we need to demand more, but also think about how we are with the big dogs now. So in 2 years when Memphis is the only one left in the AAC battling SMU and Tulane and they're undefeated and top 10, just know that we were there and we moved on.

 

[Morgantown Card]

Cincy has been the darling of this season. Undefeated with a win over ND. Dominating the AAC. But, they have a low chance at the playoffs. Remember 2006? Even if we'd finished undefeated, it's possible a 2 loss LSU would've jumped us in the rankings. Remember 2012 and 2013? We played one team in the regular season in that 2 year period that finished the season ranked (UCF loss).

Now we all talk about how we're used to winning big and all these high beliefs, but look at Cincy. They're where we were 7 years ago. The best Group of 5 team and thinking they have a chance at a title, but they really don't As much as we don't like to look back at reality at times, those years we were ranked and amazing we were dominating a lower league. We never had a chance to win a title, no matter how good we were. UCF learned it in 2017.

Cincy is going to head to the Big 12 and they'll soon learn what WVU, Rutgers, and our beloved Louisville have all learned since moving up a level, it isn't as easy as it looks. Cincy is a solid team and it make me jealous seeing them get that love, but I know they wouldn't be getting that love in the ACC. So yes, we need to demand more, but also think about how we are with the big dogs now. So in 2 years when Memphis is the only one left in the AAC battling SMU and Tulane and they're undefeated and top 10, just know that we were there and we moved on.

In my opinion, placing UC at #6 was strategic - placing UC in the Top 4 now would have been too controversial. The teams in front of them 1-5 are going to lose some games. When those teams lose UC will end up where they need to be by season's end (assuming UC wins out). Then the committee can say, "We took schedule into consideration and thought those 5 teams ewre better - but they lost games while UC won and now UC is in the CFP."

 

[nccardfan]

Cincy has been the darling of this season. Undefeated with a win over ND. Dominating the AAC. But, they have a low chance at the playoffs. Remember 2006? Even if we'd finished undefeated, it's possible a 2 loss LSU would've jumped us in the rankings. Remember 2012 and 2013? We played one team in the regular season in that 2 year period that finished the season ranked (UCF loss).

Now we all talk about how we're used to winning big and all these high beliefs, but look at Cincy. They're where we were 7 years ago. The best Group of 5 team and thinking they have a chance at a title, but they really don't As much as we don't like to look back at reality at times, those years we were ranked and amazing we were dominating a lower league. We never had a chance to win a title, no matter how good we were. UCF learned it in 2017.

Cincy is going to head to the Big 12 and they'll soon learn what WVU, Rutgers, and our beloved Louisville have all learned since moving up a level, it isn't as easy as it looks. Cincy is a solid team and it make me jealous seeing them get that love, but I know they wouldn't be getting that love in the ACC. So yes, we need to demand more, but also think about how we are with the big dogs now. So in 2 years when Memphis is the only one left in the AAC battling SMU and Tulane and they're undefeated and top 10, just know that we were there and we moved on.

How are we better when we can’t beat Clemson, Wake Forest, NC State in our division?

 

[LeFors4Ever]

How are we better when we can’t beat Clemson, Wake Forest, NC State in our division?

We're better off. You really didn't read my post?

I'm just saying that if we were in the AAC, we'd probably be ranked and have more hype against a bunch of trash teams, but we're playing power 5 ball now.

 

[CardX]

How are we better when we can’t beat Clemson, Wake Forest, NC State in our division?

P5 is better than G5. More money, higher profile, and, I don’t know about Satt’s approach, but recruiting is supposed to be better.

 

[nccardfan]

I don’t disagree that financially we are better off and we are potentially better off in making the playoffs but we haven’t been competitive in the sense of playing for the ACC championship.

We knew when we made the move to the ACC it was because of football. We were already in the best basketball conference and when we joined along with Syracuse and Pitt, the ACC became the best basketball conference.

However the recent successes of UCF, Houston and now Cincinnati have shown that you can be at least in the conversation of national attention. You don’t think top 10 ranking, possibility of a major bowl game hasn’t helped their recruiting at all? The ACC is not the SEC where perception and mainly media give recruits that’s where you need to be. Even UK benefits just being in the conference even though they are usually at the bottom. The CFP promotes the SEC perception as almost every year 2 SEC teams are in the conversation for the four teams. If the playoffs were expanded to eight teams, there would be 3 or 4 SEC teams in the conversation.

Our golden goose, Clemson is struggling this year and there’s no dominant team to replace them and like I said if we continue to finish mid division in the ACC our recruiting won’t get better.

 

[Thecycle27]

The move to the ACC was a good thing but it was always going to be a struggle. Louisville could always compete for the league title in the other conferences as long as they had a good coach. They had legit talent.

The ACC has more talent throughout the conference. Louisville isn’t going to out talent teams by large margins. I compare it to the NFL. Where talent across the board is pretty similar. That is why you see the different results each week. That is where coaching matters. The series of events at Louisville slowed the progress of the program.

The perception of the ACC is it isn’t a good football league. It reality it is but if your top tier teams don’t perform the league the entire league sucks. A coach can never win the perception battle. They lose/win to a good Wake team it isn’t a good win and it is a bad loss. Because nobody really believes Wake is any good.

Fans have shown they aren’t really interested in watching most of the ACC teams. That is the biggest issue for the ACC. Fan engagement in their teams is almost transactional. They are not all in like Big Ten-SEC schools. Louisville is really struggling getting people to games. While winning will help it goes deeper than that. They will, more times than not, be a 3-4 loss team. Outside the core fanbase those fans have shown that isn’t enough to get them to come out.

 

[genghis_card]

I remember clearly someone on this board said in 2014 we were now going to go dominate the ACC. I'm glad I don't remember who said it, but it looks even dumber now than it did back then.

 

[KozmasAgain]

We have done well against Wake Forest and NCST since joining the ACC not so well against Clemson. If we could get a good coach who can build a program and stay long term we can be a contender in the ACC.

 

[2330859]

This University had every opportunity to build on the Lamar Jackson era, as our National exposure demonstrated to every football recruit or potential transfer that UL was unlimited in what could be accomplished here. Regrettably, Petrino failed to take advantage, and add to our talent level, or as it turned out, even sustain the momentum we had reached.

I have heard a number of theories as to what caused the collapse of Bobby Petrino, but to this day I am not sure anyone outside of Petrino himself (perhaps Jurich) know what actually happened.

 

[CardX]

I remember clearly someone on this board said in 2014 we were now going to go dominate the ACC. I'm glad I don't remember who said it, but it looks even dumber now than it did back then.

Our best year has been 2016 when we tied for the Atlantic regular season championship along with Clemson, during their national title run. It hasn't been great since then, though the Cards did finish 5-3 in the ACC in 2019.

 

[CardX]

This University had every opportunity to build on the Lamar Jackson era, as our National exposure demonstrated to every football recruit or potential transfer that UL was unlimited in what could be accomplished here. Regrettably, Petrino failed to take advantage, and add to our talent level, or as it turned out, even sustain the momentum we had reached.

I have heard a number of theories as to what caused the collapse of Bobby Petrino, but to this day I am not sure anyone outside of Petrino himself (perhaps Jurich) know what actually happened.

Regarding Bobby's down fall, it wasn't one thing, but a combo of different things. He lost his dad. He lost Jurich, his biggest supporter, and the new BOT and interim president didn't like him. He saw an opportunity to cash out and took it. He totally disregarded the welfare of the program in doing so, but that's always been a part of his character. It was a business decision at the end of the day.

 

[2330859]

probably as close to the truth as we can get X; however, that would mean he was intentional in losing football games, and that his treatment of staff and players alike was premeditated. Not yet convinced there is sufficient evidence that he had that much power himself.

Losing his father, Jurich and the wrath of the BoT .... that makes more sense to me.

 

[WKCard]

probably as close to the truth as we can get X; however, that would mean he was intentional in losing football games, and that his treatment of staff and players alike was premeditated. Not yet convinced there is sufficient evidence that he had that much power himself.

Losing his father, Jurich and the wrath of the BoT .... that makes more sense to me.

Plus the fact that he is GONE. HISTORY!!! Thank ...

 

[nccardfan]

Not so fast my friends as Mr. Corso likes to say. If they continue to win and the fact that Georgia/Alabama will lose a game and if Ohio St loses to Mich/Purdue, Cincinnati will have a seat at the table IMHO. As long as they win out.

 

[PHCARD]

Hell, I'd give anything to be in Cincy place right now and be their fan. I like their coach. I like their city. I like their red and black. I even like their fans.

 

[gocds]

probably as close to the truth as we can get X; however, that would mean he was intentional in losing football games, and that his treatment of staff and players alike was premeditated. Not yet convinced there is sufficient evidence that he had that much power himself.

Losing his father, Jurich and the wrath of the BoT .... that makes more sense to me.

No one will ever convince me that Petrino was NOT intentional in losing football games based on his decision making regarding the team and the games. Losing his father was one thing, but losing Jurich and incurring the wrath of the BOT was another. We all lose our father or other important people in our lives but from a professional situation, losing TJ had to be monumental in those times. But I am of the opinion that CBP is/was a snake in the grass and wanted his payday. Which Tyra should never, never have paid him because Petrino's coaching and lack of hiring of competent assistants was purposeful and, in my opinion, a fireable reason.

GO CARDS!!!

 

[KozmasAgain]

Cincinnati’s lackluster performances against powerhouses Tulane and Tulsa will doom them from making the playoffs. They will probably get a good Bowl Game though.

 

[CardX]

Cincinnati’s lackluster performances against powerhouses Tulane and Tulsa will doom them from making the playoffs. They will probably get a good Bowl Game though.

They are fools gold. Was rooting for them, but they kind of aren’t elite, at all. They tend to play to the level of their competition.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Cincy has been the darling of this season. Undefeated with a win over ND. Dominating the AAC. But, they have a low chance at the playoffs.

This aged well

 

[gocds]

I think UC will now be in the playoff. Since UGA's loss yesterday, UC should be in.

GO CARDS!!!

 

[2330859]

They will likely lose their HC, and never see this same level of success again.
We too had a chance to qualify for spot in the NC a discussion, but went to Rutgers and ran into a chain-saw inspired, defensive minded Greg Schiano.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

They will likely lose their HC, and never see this same level of success again.
We too had a chance to qualify for spot in the NC a discussion, but went to Rutgers and ran into a chain-saw inspired, defensive minded Greg Schiano.

You sound very. Very. Very very very very very.

Butthurt.

Despite all that, they are in the playoff. Sucks to be them I agree with you! No really. It just sucks! Am sure.

 

[indaville]

How did Ridder get out of Louisville without a offer?

 

[Rollem Cards]

How did Ridder get out of Louisville without a offer?

Most recruiting experts, and coaches, said he just wasn’t good enough out of HS.

In their defense, he totally developed at UC.

This why I like walk ons. Especially from winning programs.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

So would we be better off still in the AAC and heading to the new Big 12 without Texas/OU?

Cincy did make it and I was wrong, but they had 0 room for error and needed 3 power conferences have teams that couldn’t make it in an unusually weak year. It was a low probability and they low chance happened.

 

[Mike'sMarbles]

When we first joined the ACC, I was sure we had a better path to the Playoff than in a non-P5 league. But after a few years and now after seeing Cincinnati break through, I'm not so sure anymore.

I believe we had a chance to play for the championship the year we lost to Rutgers.

I think because of who we are - we are never going to get a lion's share of 4 and 5 star players like a few other teams in the ACC. We'd have a better chance of reaching the playoff from outside the P5.

Now that the Committee has shown they're willing to allow a non-P5 into the Playoff, and especially when they expand the field to 8 teams in the coming years, I think being in the ACC becomes a negative for UofL making the playoff.

 

[nccardfan]

So would we be better off still in the AAC and heading to the new Big 12 without Texas/OU?

Cincy did make it and I was wrong, but they had 0 room for error and needed 3 power conferences have teams that couldn’t make it in an unusually weak year. It was a low probability and they low chance happened.

So what does they say for us with a very down year for the ACC and Clemson down and we’re middle of the pack in our division.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

So what does they say for us with a very down year for the ACC and Clemson down and we’re middle of the pack in our division.

3 years removed from being the worst team in the Power 5? Says we’ve come a long folks!

 

[nccardfan]

3 years removed from being the worst team in the Power 5? Says we’ve come a long folks!

I’m glad you’re such a fan that’s what you thought of our team.

 

[PushupMan]

So what does they say for us with a very down year for the ACC and Clemson down and we’re middle of the pack in our division.

It was definitely a year where, had Petrino not quit on us, we could have won the division and played Pitt for the ACC championship.

And here is food for thought … we lost at Wake Forest by 3, at home to Clemson by 6, and Virginia by 1. We win 2 of those 3 (or all 3), and we win our division.

We were that close, and we’re returning nearly every key player for 2022.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

I was wrong,

We know.

Don't take it too hard Tolstoy.

 

[nccardfan]

It was definitely a year where, had Petrino not quit on us, we could have won the division and played Pitt for the ACC championship.

And here is food for thought … we lost at Wake Forest by 3, at home to Clemson by 6, and Virginia by 1. We win 2 of those 3 (or all 3), and we win our division.

We were that close, and we’re returning nearly every key player for 2022.

We were closer to 4-8. UCF QB should have never thrown that pass. One play against FSU.

 

[PushupMan]

We were closer to 4-8. UCF QB should have never thrown that pass. One play against FSU.

I don’t see how your point is very defensible. The margin of victory in all 3 of the games I mentioned ended up less than the 8 point win we held on for against FSU.

I’ll grant you that we lucked out against UCF. But that was a non-conference game, so that really has no bearing on the point I was making.

 

[2330859]

IPARTY: You missed my point, no “but-hurt“ here either way. I just believe UL in the ACC is far better that where UC remains stuck. Actually, I like UC, just do not see their most excellent season as an indication of anything other than similar to the temporary success that we came close to experiencing before we ran into the chainsaw massacre at Rutgers.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

just do not see their most excellent season as an indication of anything other than similar to the temporary success that we came close to experiencing before we ran into the chainsaw massacre at Rutgers.

44-6 in last 4 years. Will have two T10s and two T20s in those 4 years. They are currently T5. They beat Va Tech in a bowl, thumped BC in a bowl, and lost by 3 to UGA in a bowl.. Ok yeah, maybe reminiscent of Louisville Petrino/Strong. But....

The similarity is over once they reach the playoff, which has just happened this year. Their prior 3 years of excellence (not residing in P5 oh my) positioned them to get ranked high enough at the beginning this year to reach the playoff, and they did it.

Cincy debunked the entire premise of this thread. Tolstoy took it on the chin, and now he'll start moving his goal posts but I ain't got time to shoot at moving targets.

The indication is Cincy is in the playoff while playing in the G5. They are "stuck" in the playoff this year They've been "stuck" in a 44-6 rut the last 4 years, getting bowl matchups against Va Tech, BC, UGA, and now Alabama in the playoff. The end. Game over.

That's the elephant in the room the committee never wanted, but too bad so sad it's happening. They probably faced a similar dilemma with UofL if Rutgers didn't happen. Yet another point that debunks the premise of this thread too.

Cincy is in the playoff from the G5. It's a middle finger to the elites and the blowhards. Good.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

44-6 in last 4 years. Will have two T10s and two T20s in those 4 years. They are currently T5. They beat Va Tech in a bowl, thumped BC in a bowl, and lost by 3 to UGA in a bowl.. Ok yeah, maybe reminiscent of Louisville Petrino/Strong. But....

The similarity is over once they reach the playoff, which has just happened this year. Their prior 3 years of excellence (not residing in P5 oh my) positioned them to get ranked high enough at the beginning this year to reach the playoff, and they did it.

Cincy debunked the entire premise of this thread. Tolstoy took it on the chin, and now he'll start moving his goal posts but I ain't got time to shoot at moving targets.

The indication is Cincy is in the playoff while playing in the G5. They are "stuck" in the playoff this year They've been "stuck" in a 44-6 rut the last 4 years, getting bowl matchups against Va Tech, BC, UGA, and now Alabama in the playoff. The end. Game over.

That's the elephant in the room the committee never wanted, but too bad so sad it's happening. They probably faced a similar dilemma with UofL if Rutgers didn't happen. Yet another point that debunks the premise of this thread too.

Cincy is in the playoff from the G5. It's a middle finger to the elites and the blowhards. Good.

It's where we were in 2012 and 2013, UCF too. I'm fine with being in the ACC.

Yes, being in the playoffs is way better and I'm not going to diminish that, but they'll be in the Big 12 soon and see how "easy" it is to keep this up.

 

[nccardfan]

I don’t see how your point is very defensible. The margin of victory in all 3 of the games I mentioned ended up less than the 8 point win we held on for against FSU.

I’ll grant you that we lucked out against UCF. But that was a non-conference game, so that really has no bearing on the point I was making.

Your point was if we won every game we would be undefeated and we would win the ACC. Reality is 6-6, which means average team at best. Could have, would have, should have.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

It's where we were in 2012 and 2013

Louisville was not in the playoff in 2012 and 2013. Not sure why you're re-writing history.

Louisville finished outside the T10 both those years. Cincy finished inside the T10 last year and will do it again this year(while in the G5!). Their performance in prior years (while in the G5!) set them up for the big year this year (while in the G5!). They got it done (while in the G5!). And they are in the playoff (while in the G5!). Which you're diminishing even though you say you aren't. You are. You also said it wasn't likely to happen. It happened (while in the G5!).

Nobody is claiming they will be long haulers in the T10 once the realignment kicks in. Their last 5 years (while in the G5!) buy their fans plenty of time to "cope" with the future. Today, they game plan for Alabama in the playoff (while in the G5!). Sucks to be them.

Subject Title, I remind you.

"Cincy is proof that we are better off"


Your evidence is not what you thought it was. This is not your Denny Green moment.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

Louisville was not in the playoff in 2012 and 2013. Not sure why you're re-writing history.

Louisville finished outside the T10 both those years. Cincy finished inside the T10 last year and will do it again this year(while in the G5!). Their performance in prior years (while in the G5!) set them up for the big year this year (while in the G5!). They got it done (while in the G5!). And they are in the playoff (while in the G5!). Which you're diminishing even though you say you aren't. You are. You also said it wasn't likely to happen. It happened (while in the G5!).

Nobody is claiming they will be long haulers in the T10 once the realignment kicks in. Their last 5 years (while in the G5!) buy their fans plenty of time to "cope" with the future. Today, they game plan for Alabama in the playoff (while in the G5!). Sucks to be them.

Subject Title, I remind you.

"Cincy is proof that we are better off"


Your evidence is not what you thought it was. This is not your Denny Green moment.

IDGAF. If you want to be back to the AAC, just let me know. Cincy would trade to be in the ACC any day of the week.

Our 2013 team would smack this 2021 Cincy team. Our 2012 team too. Difference is we had to play a UCF team in 2013 that was on our level, but Cincy is playing an AWFUL AAC. Convenient they're finally dominating now that Louisville & WVU are out of the way.

For them to even get considered? They had to go undefeated not 1, but 2 years in a row. It took historically bad years from the ACC, Big 12, & Pac 12 to make it where NONE of their teams were even considered. I mean I bet If Ok State won Saturday, they probably would've put them in over Cincy. A 2 loss Bama may have even got in too. They had to have X, Y, Z happen plus Q, R, S, T, U, & V as well.

Imagine going undefeated for 2 straight years, beating Notre Dame, but still needing a million things go your way to make the playoffs. It'll happen to them what's happened to Miami, Va Tech, Rutgers, WVU, and Louisville after joining a power conference. And guess what? They don't care and still want to be in the Big 12. Boise State still is begging to get in a power conference.

Would Louisville want to be in the AAC or new Big 12? No.
Would Cincy rather be in the ACC? Yes.
Logic alone on those 2 lines says that we are in a better spot.