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Bennett can sell Thomas Jefferson and Ralph Sampson. He cannot sell Drake, William Wesley, the Craft Center, the Wildcat Coal Lodge or the tradition of eight NCAA titles. Tony Bennett played this season nine McDonald's all-Americans short of a full load.


BBN is going to blow up his social media and inbox.
 
Nailed it. Coach of the year doesn't go to the team with the best illicit connections to an NBA agent. It goes to the coach that does the best job with what he has. You could have put a monkey in a suit and they could have coached that team to an undefeated season.
 
Tony Bennett is a great coach, no doubt. But since when is recruiting not a part of coaching? Are all coaches that sign top 5 classes excluded from the award? How about top 10?

It's telling that Coach K, Pitino, and Donovan are still waiting for their first BBWAA award. If Donovan's winning back to back titles at UF of all places wasn't enough, well, what is? Were his players too talented for the writers as well?
 
Originally posted by johnnyrockets:
Tony Bennett is a great coach, no doubt. But since when is recruiting not a part of coaching? Are all coaches that sign top 5 classes excluded from the award? How about top 10?

It's telling that Coach K, Pitino, and Donovan are still waiting for their first BBWAA award. If Donovan's winning back to back titles at UF of all places wasn't enough, well, what is? Were his players too talented for the writers as well?
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It is a part of coaching IF the coach is actually recruiting. Calipari isn't recruiting. He's choosing who he wants from the AAU pool of talent that William Wesley allows him to recruit from. That's the main difference IMO.
 
The issue is that every coach isn't in the same opportune situation recruiting wise. If the squid was coaching at Virginia, he wouldn't be bringing in number one classes. WWW would help as much as he could, but it wouldn't be the same. With less talent, you have to really coach. People compliment squid on ability to get talent to play together. That is swell and all, but don't get it confused with good coaching.
 
Originally posted by Cue Card:
Originally posted by johnnyrockets:
Tony Bennett is a great coach, no doubt. But since when is recruiting not a part of coaching? Are all coaches that sign top 5 classes excluded from the award? How about top 10?

It's telling that Coach K, Pitino, and Donovan are still waiting for their first BBWAA award. If Donovan's winning back to back titles at UF of all places wasn't enough, well, what is? Were his players too talented for the writers as well?
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It is a part of coaching IF the coach is actually recruiting. Calipari isn't recruiting. He's choosing who he wants from the AAU pool of talent that William Wesley allows him to recruit from. That's the main difference IMO.
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Haha, OK.

I laugh, but when Forde and O'Neil are driving the conversation, your take is probably pretty representative.
 
Calipari and an award...hummmm. Maybe he should go toe to toe in an eating contest with Joey Chesnut because it is obvious that Fat John is doing some damage at the supper table. Seriously, has anyone eslse noticed how fat this porker is getting? He stands on the sidelines looking like the Michelin Man drenched in a meat sweat. He can't even stand with is arms flat to his side anymore, they flare out like he is going to take off flying somewhere.
 
Originally posted by johnnyrockets:

Originally posted by Cue Card:
Originally posted by johnnyrockets:
Tony Bennett is a great coach, no doubt. But since when is recruiting not a part of coaching? Are all coaches that sign top 5 classes excluded from the award? How about top 10?

It's telling that Coach K, Pitino, and Donovan are still waiting for their first BBWAA award. If Donovan's winning back to back titles at UF of all places wasn't enough, well, what is? Were his players too talented for the writers as well?
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It is a part of coaching IF the coach is actually recruiting. Calipari isn't recruiting. He's choosing who he wants from the AAU pool of talent that William Wesley allows him to recruit from. That's the main difference IMO.
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Haha, OK.

I laugh, but when Forde and O'Neil are driving the conversation, your take is probably pretty representative.
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My "take" is the truth. Where was all that 5 star talent before Calipari and his personal ambassador to his program landed in Lexington? All that talent wasn't lining up 9 deep to play at UofK before Calipari and WWW decided on UofK.

You can laugh all you want but the truth is Calipari is William Wesley's bagman for his AAU pool of talent. WWW decides who goes where in the end, but Calipari gets to pick and choose first. Every now and then in order to keep it all looking legit, a player Calipari "wanted" will sign somewhere else. It's all part of the farce that is college basketball recruiting for the selected few in William Wesley's circle of friends.
 
This was the perfect storm for Calipari. The Harrisons were overrated, but are still excellent college guards, so he got them for a 2nd year. Stein stuck around for some reason, maybe the injury, who knows. They are probably better off with Lyles getting minutes that Poythress would be getting if he hadn't gotten hurt. And Booker and Ulis are far better than they were expected to be. This confluence of good fortune will not likely hit Lexington or any other city again in the near or distant future. He basically has a national runner up team that traded Young and Randall for a healthy Stein, a better version of the Harrisons, plus Lyles , Towns, Ulis and Booker. I agree with an above poster that Digger could win the title with that kind of luck. If COY should go to the luckiest guy, Calipari should have won it. Bennett has nowhere near the talent UK does and he posted a similar record in a better conference. It was well deserved.

This post was edited on 3/25 2:39 PM by KRJ1975

This post was edited on 3/25 2:46 PM by KRJ1975
 
I am a life-long Ville fan and grad, just so you don't confuse me with an undercover Cat fan. Calipari is to this time period what Rick was to the 90's. An innovator. He has found the way and system to get the very best players to come in droves to play for him. I don't know if it will catch up to them. I don't like it. But he has done something this year that I didn't think would happen. If they lose, then the year will be an eternal "what if". But if they finish the deal, it will be a great feat. Read some of the recent NY and Boston pieces. It's no secret that UK IS the NBA stop over. And when you stock pile so much talent, you will get hold-over, which they did, and which makes them very formidable. He can very confidently and calmly tell any top 20 kid, take it or leave it, because there are 19 others waiting to take your place. He has build quite a system and brand.

Now, when he leaves, I believe UK will be SOL for some time, because he has build a Cal branded system, not a UK branded system. This could probably be said for most great coaches, but even more so for him. I don't see another Cal out there. Self is trying with marginal results. The guy at AZ is trying with marginal results. None are doing what he is doing.

Hate to say it, but Cal's got it going on right now. Good or bad news, the pendulum always swings the other way, so time will correct itself.
 
Who really cares about COY when you don't even make it into the Sweet 16. Bennett is deserving as well as many other coaches. Give Bennett the COY, he's sitting at home now and I think he lost to a team less talented than his. One could say he got out coached as a matter of fact, happens all the time. And whatever you want to contribute all the variables above to beyond the realm of coaching, knock yourself out. But guys who know a little about talent, recruiting, and coaching know what kind of team they want to go to battle with. UK could lose and Cal could/can be out coached. But to slight Cal for the team he has put together as a coach is moronic, and it doesn't take balls to say it. It does take balls to day Digger could win with any team though
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Originally posted by Cue Card:


Originally posted by johnnyrockets:



Originally posted by Cue Card:


Originally posted by johnnyrockets:
Tony Bennett is a great coach, no doubt. But since when is recruiting not a part of coaching? Are all coaches that sign top 5 classes excluded from the award? How about top 10?

It's telling that Coach K, Pitino, and Donovan are still waiting for their first BBWAA award. If Donovan's winning back to back titles at UF of all places wasn't enough, well, what is? Were his players too talented for the writers as well?
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It is a part of coaching IF the coach is actually recruiting. Calipari isn't recruiting. He's choosing who he wants from the AAU pool of talent that William Wesley allows him to recruit from. That's the main difference IMO.
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Haha, OK.

I laugh, but when Forde and O'Neil are driving the conversation, your take is probably pretty representative.
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My "take" is the truth. Where was all that 5 star talent before Calipari and his personal ambassador to his program landed in Lexington? All that talent wasn't lining up 9 deep to play at UofK before Calipari and WWW decided on UofK.

You can laugh all you want but the truth is Calipari is William Wesley's bagman for his AAU pool of talent. WWW decides who goes where in the end, but Calipari gets to pick and choose first. Every now and then in order to keep it all looking legit, a player Calipari "wanted" will sign somewhere else. It's all part of the farce that is college basketball recruiting for the selected few in William Wesley's circle of friends.
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This. You turds act like these guys come to UK because of the UK tradition etc. These guys don't give 2 shits about UK and you know it. *Oh and Cal an "innovator"?
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This post was edited on 3/25 7:37 PM by CardFan1130
 
Originally posted by Bburgbandit:
Calipari and an award...hummmm. Maybe he should go toe to toe in an eating contest with Joey Chesnut because it is obvious that Fat John is doing some damage at the supper table. Seriously, has anyone eslse noticed how fat this porker is getting? He stands on the sidelines looking like the Michelin Man drenched in a meat sweat. He can't even stand with is arms flat to his side anymore, they flare out like he is going to take off flying somewhere.
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Way to bring something relevant to the conversation.
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Let me guess, you swing from the monkey bars during recess and make fun of all the "fat" kids.

If that's the best you've got, I'm glad I didn't read any of your other 800+ posts.
 
You really think the player that come to the ville is coming because of Louisville LOL You really funny
 
Originally posted by lwbb:
You really think the player that come to the ville is coming because of Louisville LOL You really funny
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Depends on the player, but I know none of them are at Louisville because of William Wesley and I'm good with that.
 
Well iam glad you are happy because they are not coming to be next to the river
 
Players will usually pick a school for a few reasons. A, that school is where they have always wanted to play. B, they want to play for the coach. C, they have a great chance of turning pro.
 
Good for Bennett. Every year there are at least half a dozen coaches who could be considered CoY, he's definitely worthy of the award. There are other CoY awards to be had as well, some may go to Bennett, some to other coaches. For the people clamoring that Calipari should have gotten it... well, I'm sure he's on a short list. As are Coach K, Pitino, and others. It's a lot like MVP awards... you can make an argument for a lot of different players for different reasons.

Those accolades are nice, but I doubt many coaches care that much about them. They are there to teach their kids and build successful programs. If they win a plaque for it, cool, but that's not the focus
 
I think it's a snub, but then I think about Pitino and Coach K having never won COY either, so it doesn't really ruffle my feathers.
 
The only question is why wouldn't you have voted for Tony Bennett for COY? The votes were taken right after the regular season finished so you look at what coaches and their teams have achieved to that point. Bennett's UVA team finished 28-2 in the ACC, the toughest conference in the country and Calipari-Wesley's team finished a perfect 31-0 competing in one of the worst power 5 conferences in recent memory. Yes UK had some impressive out of conference wins but only one of them was a true road game at Louisville and Virginia won impressively at # 21 Maryland back in December to match that.

Bennett's 28-2 record compared to 31-0 is even more impressive when you consider the talent that he had to work with compared to Calipari-Wesley's 9 or 10 McDonald's All-Americans and you see it's a no brainer who deserves COY honors. You can say that recruiting is part of coaching but I don't think that's what this award is all about. That's why Bruce Arians won COY in the NFL this year and not Bill Belichick or Pete Carroll. Only 2 times in the last 30 years has the NFL COY won the Super Bowl that same year.
 
All this wrangling over COY is a little silly. I liked this take from Grantland.com today. The last sentence makes you really chuckle.

I hate that these awards always go to the coach who exceeded expectations, as if recruiting and developing players isn't also part of the job. Some coach could pull 12 guys from the campus rec center and go 2-32, and I bet there'd be a handful of people supporting that coach for year-end awards because "that's two more games than anyone thought he'd win!!!" And if you think my exaggeration here is too ridiculous, then consider that Frank Haith, Mike Brey, Tubby Smith, Al Skinner, and Ben Howland each have more USBWA coach of the year awards than Mike Krzyzewski, Rick Pitino, Jim Calhoun, Lute Olson, Jerry Tarkanian, Denny Crum, Lefty Driesell, and Bob Huggins combined.
 
The people/entities that give out these awards know that Cal is slimy. Ergo, he'll never win one of the COTY awards.
 
They did give one to Boeheim and one to Clem Haskins. Although I think they actually "vacated" Haskins' award after they found out about the rampant cheating. Will be interesting to see if they strip Boeheim too.

Also interesting that no coach since Norm Sloan in 1974 has won the award and title in the same season.




This post was edited on 3/26 12:04 PM by KRJ1975
 
Originally posted by CardFan1130:
Originally posted by Cue Card:


Originally posted by johnnyrockets:



Originally posted by Cue Card:


Originally posted by johnnyrockets:
Tony Bennett is a great coach, no doubt. But since when is recruiting not a part of coaching? Are all coaches that sign top 5 classes excluded from the award? How about top 10?

It's telling that Coach K, Pitino, and Donovan are still waiting for their first BBWAA award. If Donovan's winning back to back titles at UF of all places wasn't enough, well, what is? Were his players too talented for the writers as well?
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It is a part of coaching IF the coach is actually recruiting. Calipari isn't recruiting. He's choosing who he wants from the AAU pool of talent that William Wesley allows him to recruit from. That's the main difference IMO.
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Haha, OK.

I laugh, but when Forde and O'Neil are driving the conversation, your take is probably pretty representative.
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My "take" is the truth. Where was all that 5 star talent before Calipari and his personal ambassador to his program landed in Lexington? All that talent wasn't lining up 9 deep to play at UofK before Calipari and WWW decided on UofK.

You can laugh all you want but the truth is Calipari is William Wesley's bagman for his AAU pool of talent. WWW decides who goes where in the end, but Calipari gets to pick and choose first. Every now and then in order to keep it all looking legit, a player Calipari "wanted" will sign somewhere else. It's all part of the farce that is college basketball recruiting for the selected few in William Wesley's circle of friends.
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This. You turds act like these guys come to UK because of the UK tradition etc. These guys don't give 2 shits about UK and you know it. *Oh and Cal an "innovator"?
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This post was edited on 3/25 7:37 PM by CardFan1130
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I don't really get this argument. I don't think anyone claims that the kids are coming to UK because of UK's tradition or the Lexington weather or how nice New Circle road is... of course they're coming because of the coach and the current status of the program. Just like guys go to Duke because of Coach K, or Mich St because of Izzo, or UofL because of Pitino.

What I'm saying is that it's hard to separate recruiting from coaching. Not sure going 5-25 with a team of walk ons is more impressive than going 40-0 with a team of All Americans, to take the discussion ad absurdum.

As for Cue, respectfully, put up or shut up. You can yell about WWW and how Cal is cheating as "fact" as many times as you'd like; doesn't make it true. (I'm sure it's fact in your mind.) If you have proof, I'm sure there are more than a few NBWAA members who would love to chat with you about it.
 
Originally posted by KRJ1975:
All this wrangling over COY is a little silly. I liked this take from Grantland.com today. The last sentence makes you really chuckle.

I hate that these awards always go to the coach who exceeded expectations, as if recruiting and developing players isn't also part of the job. Some coach could pull 12 guys from the campus rec center and go 2-32, and I bet there'd be a handful of people supporting that coach for year-end awards because "that's two more games than anyone thought he'd win!!!" And if you think my exaggeration here is too ridiculous, then consider that Frank Haith, Mike Brey, Tubby Smith, Al Skinner, and Ben Howland each have more USBWA coach of the year awards than Mike Krzyzewski, Rick Pitino, Jim Calhoun, Lute Olson, Jerry Tarkanian, Denny Crum, Lefty Driesell, and Bob Huggins combined.
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I agree that too much is made about this but what's really silly is the author of that piece saying that his exaggeration is not "that" ridiculous. Of course it is. It's not just as simple as "exceeding expectations". As I said before COY awards are meant to acknowledge the coaches that do the best coaching jobs with the teams that they have to start the year. The developing of players is a huge part of that. It rarely is given to a coach that starts out the year with the most talent on his roster. That's just what these awards are all about, meaningless or not. It's not impossible though, there are some years when a super talented team lives up to expectations and there are no other coaches that year that stand out.

In the NFL Vince Lombardi won ONE COY award and that is when his team went 7-5 in his first year drastically improving on his predecessor's 1-10 mark the year before. Yet Lombardi never won the award again despite his Packers winning 5 NFL Titles in the next 8 years. Jimmy Johnson won the COY his 2nd year going 7-9 in Dallas when the Cowboys improved from 1-15 the year before but did not win it when his teams won back to back Super Bowls.

If you want to save all the drama and just give the award in April to who wins the Tourney that's fine or you could give it to the coach who has the best win percentage at the end of the Tourney which will be Calipari-Wesley this year no matter if they win the Title or not. Personally I like the way the award is given because it often rewards up and coming coaches and coaching lifers who finally get their due.
 
That part was pretty obviously tongue in cheek if you know that writer. I thought Bennett was really deserving this year, along with a few others (Calipari, Wright, Bo Ryan, etc.)
 
Even though Stadium Magazine voted it as the best and most beautiful and functional college basketball facility in the country. I love how people who've never been here think they know to city. The NCAA has chosen UL's facilities as sites for post season play 16 times in just the next few few years. You picked the wrong example to cite. 600 million in investments of our facilities has made us something very special. Our baseball facility which has outdrawn every other facility in the country is even expanding again. In actuality the river is a source of income for our city. Do you have one?
 
Downtown Louisville is actually very nice. I don't make it to town terribly often (haven't been to a game in the YUM yet) but took my GF and daughter to the Lion King on Tuesday night. We went early and ate at Morton's, and the area looked really cool. Even ran into Dr. Ramsey in the lobby of the theater, he was gracious and shook my hand. It was also very easy to get out of town after the show, took us less than 15 minutes from our seats to being on the interstate.
 
Originally posted by Cue Card:

Originally posted by lwbb:
You really think the player that come to the ville is coming because of Louisville LOL You really funny
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What better proof do you need than the large number of ex-UK players who now live in the Ville.
 
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