Big 10 Could Get 3 in Final Four

[CardLaw]

If you didn't see it, the penultimate rankings released tonight have a top ten of:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Washington
5. Michigan
6. Wisconsin
7. Penn State
8. Colorado
9. Oklahoma
10. Oklahoma State

It seems to me obvious that if Ala., Clem., and UW win this weekend they are in. But if Clemson and Washington lose, I think Michigan and the winner of the Big 10 championship move in. I see no way Colorado, even if they win, moves past the winner of the BCG. So that puts two in there. But would Colorado also leap Michigan?

That the Big has four teams in the top seven is pretty telling.

Frankly, I don't have a problem with that scenario. If that is the way it plays out, what is the argument for placing anyone but Alabama and three Big Ten teams in? Stated another way: who's better?

 

[CardVille]

That would reinforce the "4 best teams" argument.

 

[wilkie01]

I don't think so!

1. Alabama (12-0)

2. Ohio State (11-1)

3. Clemson (11-1)

4. Washington (11-1)

 

[beantowncard]

Yet another example of why this opinion-based 4 team "playoff " is a joke. Heck, if Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma (quite possible) then who's to say they shouldn't get in? They would at least be a conference champ, and one of their losses would be a documented hose job.
There will still not be a legit national champ in FBS !

 

[wilkie01]

It will always remain a joke until we at least have 8 teams in it. I think we should go to 16 teams:

ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
Big 12 Champion
PAC 12 Champion
SEC Champion
American Champion
CUSA Champion
MAC Champion
Mountain West Champion
Sunbelt Champion
Six (6) highest ranked teams that are not conference champions.

Then and only then will we crown a true National Champion that won it on the field!

 

[nccardfan]

It will always remain a joke until we at least have 8 teams in it. I think we should go to 16 teams:

ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
Big 12 Champion
PAC 12 Champion
SEC Champion
American Champion
CUSA Champion
MAC Champion
Mountain West Champion
Sunbelt Champion
Six (6) highest ranked teams that are not conference champions.

Then and only then will we crown a true National Champion that won it on the field!

The problem with that scenario is that you are assuming all conferences are equal and as demonstrated by this year with 4 big 10 teams in top 7 that is not going to pick the top teams and how does that help the Cards if we can't even win our division let alone the Conference. Going to more than 4 teams would significantly impact the non CFP bowls.

 

[wilkie01]

At this point in time, we do not deserve to be in the 2016 Championship Playoff! We played poorly in our last 4 games, and losing the last 2 games.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

The Big 10 should only have B10 Champion in playoff, Penn State or Wisc.

 

[BPGhost]

At this point in time, we do not deserve to be in the 2016 Championship Playoff! We played poorly in our last 4 games, and losing the last 2 games.

Who's saying that we do?

Jeebus...

 

[CardLaw]

I don't think so!

1. Alabama (12-0)

2. Ohio State (11-1)

3. Clemson (11-1)

4. Washington (11-1)

That is true as of today. The scenario I laid out requires Clemson and Washington to lose this weekend.

If either Clemson or Washington loses, I think there is little chance either one, or Virginia Tech/Colorado, gets in over the Big Ten Champion. So that would put Ohio State and Wisconsin/Penn State in the playoff.

The fuzzy part is what happens if both lose? I think the Big Ten Champion is still in the playoff in that situation. The question is whether Clemson or Washington could hold off Michigan or could Colorado or Virginia Tech overtake Michigan.

Someone mentioned Oklahoma/Oklahoma State. I think they are too far back to be relevant regardless of what happens. (So is VPI for that matter. Va. Tech can only open the gate for someone else to get in if they beat Clemson.)

 

[Mayoman]

So, You are saying that a 2 loss Michigan, or a 2 loss BiG champ Wisc/PSU is better than a 2 loss Clemson or a 2 loss UW? Interesting.

Or is it because of a more recent loss (by 1 week) that those two would have vs Michigan 2nd loss?

And if UF upsets Bama, how does that affect the whole 'you have a more recent loss than I do' POV as to who is the 4 best teams? Interesting. Timing is or isn't everything.

 

[CardLaw]

So, You are saying that a 2 loss Michigan, or a 2 loss BiG champ Wisc/PSU is better than a 2 loss Clemson or a 2 loss UW? Interesting.

Or is it because of a more recent loss (by 1 week) that those two would have vs Michigan 2nd loss?

And if UF upsets Bama, how does that affect the whole 'you have a more recent loss than I do' POV as to who is the 4 best teams? Interesting. Timing is or isn't everything.

Actually, I am not saying any of those things. Just in two plus years of watching the committee it seems to me that is how they will go. Now, bear in mind, there is certainly a political element involved. How that factors in I can't figure out.

 

[gocds]

Far too much surmising goin' on here. The chips will fall in place this weekend. In reality, I expect that we'll see AL, tOSU, Clemson and Washington. This will be the lineup unless there is a major upset involving Washington/Colorado and/or Clemson-VaTech. Then and only then would we be looking at the possibility of more than one BIG team in the playoff. There will be no BigXII team in regardless or $ec team other than AL even if UF upsets AL (highly unlikely).

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[gocds]

It will always remain a joke until we at least have 8 teams in it. I think we should go to 16 teams:

ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
Big 12 Champion
PAC 12 Champion
SEC Champion
American Champion
CUSA Champion
MAC Champion
Mountain West Champion
Sunbelt Champion
Six (6) highest ranked teams that are not conference champions.

Then and only then will we crown a true National Champion that won it on the field!

Wilkie sorry but I don't like your possible scenario. First, I think eight is enough and, second, I think you are including far too many non P5 schools. Yes, I know, we are now on the inside looking out and that's a good thing. With eight you could have all five P5 conference title game winners and then the rest could/would be decided by "popular vote" which is, in reality, the weakness of the system.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[nccardfan]

Alabama and Ohio st are considered "locks" so the only two spots under question are Clemson and Worshington. Okla/okla St and VT will not be considered.

 

[Morgantown Card]

If you didn't see it, the penultimate rankings released tonight have a top ten of:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Washington
5. Michigan
6. Wisconsin
7. Penn State
8. Colorado
9. Oklahoma
10. Oklahoma State

It seems to me obvious that if Ala., Clem., and UW win this weekend they are in. But if Clemson and Washington lose, I think Michigan and the winner of the Big 10 championship move in. I see no way Colorado, even if they win, moves past the winner of the BCG. So that puts two in there. But would Colorado also leap Michigan?

That the Big has four teams in the top seven is pretty telling.

Frankly, I don't have a problem with that scenario. If that is the way it plays out, what is the argument for placing anyone but Alabama and three Big Ten teams in? Stated another way: who's better?

I would like it if the B10 sends 3. That sets a precedent that "best 4 teams get in" regardless of H2H, conference championship or not, etc etc. It's controversial sure but "best 4 teams get in" while subjective should be what the CFP aims for.

 

[Red Rager]

FWIW, I don't see any of the "you can't get in ahead of your conference champion" crap we were hearing three weeks ago about Clemson and the Cards. Now it appears just fine that OSU will do that very thing.

 

[Mayoman]

FWIW, I don't see any of the "you can't get in ahead of your conference champion" crap we were hearing three weeks ago about Clemson and the Cards. Now it appears just fine that OSU will do that very thing.

Amen brother! You have to be a blue blood (like OSU) to receive that type of treatment in CFB and we all know that UofL is not that (at least not yet). Takes a lot of time and tradition to get there if it ever happens.

Just watch, I bet ND is rated in theT25 if not the T10 next season despite a 4-8 record or whatever they are. And how many years had Michigan been done before Hairbrush showed up and righted their ship? Oh yeah, and USC west is the best 3 loss team ever this year, etc, etc, etc.....on and on it goes.

The Cardinals need to just win it on the field for the next 10-20 years and that still may not be enough to get to 'blue blood status'.

Oh, well, the ACC needs to rise to a higher level of perception and not be just FSU and Clems son. Louisville is in that forum and will need to continually improve its performance and lead the way to the emergence of ACC to SEC, B10 etc, etc, status.

IMO, it has already surpassed the B12, and possibly the PAC12. Time will tell. I hope it happens in my lifetime.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Prior two years may not be a large enough of a sample to guide on what to expect. Are the results so far this year a mirror of the prior two years? If yes, ok. If no, then there is an uncertainty on what to expect the committee to do if chaos rules this upcoming weekend.

It is amusing hearing pundits use inconsistent application of selection criteria to fit their narrative.

 

[HedleyLamarr]

If Clemson and Washington both lose, Clemson and Michigan will be in. No way that three Big teams get in, with two of them two loss teams. Bama, OSU, Clemson and Michigan are the four best teams, and only Washington has a chance to change that....

 

[nccardfan]

Clemson is not a lock if they lose, only Alabama and OSU are considered locks. Clemson losing to a mediocre VT will drop them out of the CFP.

 

[HedleyLamarr]

Clemson is not a lock. If they lose, and Washington wins, they will be out and Michigan will get in. Michigan beat both Wisconsin and Penn State, and got hosed at Ohio State. If both Washington and Clemson lose, Clemson will be in ahead of Washington, and the BiG winner. Just my opinion, but I don't see them dropping behind those teams.

 

[CardLaw]

FWIW, I don't see any of the "you can't get in ahead of your conference champion" crap we were hearing three weeks ago about Clemson and the Cards. Now it appears just fine that OSU will do that very thing.

What I said, and others, is that a non-champion cannot get in over a 0-1 loss champion. Since we will have at best three 0-1 loss champions, that still holds.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Ohio State wasn't good enough to make Big 10 Championship game. They should not even be under consideration for playoffs. Same goes for Michigan. Big 10 champion should go, that's all from Big 10.

 

[CardLaw]

Ohio State wasn't good enough to make Big 10 Championship game. They should not even be under consideration for playoffs. Same goes for Michigan. Big 10 champion should go, that's all from Big 10.

Obviously you are firmly entrenched in the Danny Kannell school of "most deserving". My understanding of the committee's task is determine the four best. I believe that is what they should do. Frankly, on a neutral field, (which is the measuring stick) I don't think Penn State or Wisconsin could come close to beating Ohio State. Apparently the committee sees it the same way based on the chair's comments the other night.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Washington with the win puts this to sleep.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

That chair's comments reminded me of Hillary Clinton. (Lie after lie). I hope he doesn't actually believe everything he says. All year, many gurus said B10 was best conference. Yet B10 champion is not in playoffs. granted B10 won a lot of games, but they beat up on weak sisters of B10 to reach their win total. Other than Penn State and Nebraska, I despise the B10.

 

[Louisvillian]

That chair's comments reminded me of Hillary Clinton. (Lie after lie). I hope he doesn't actually believe everything he says. All year, many gurus said B10 was best conference. Yet B10 champion is not in playoffs. granted B10 won a lot of games, but they beat up on weak sisters of B10 to reach their win total. Other than Penn State and Nebraska, I despise the B10.

Good, we now know that you hate the BiG 10. You're not coming across as too bright if you don't think the Big 10 was the best conference this year. I'm guessing you are a UK fan, SEC fan or a disgruntled fan of an ACC team (Virginia perhaps, from your handle).

Really doesn't matter. The fact is the Big 10 has 4 teams in the AP Top 8 and 6 in the top 25. The SEC's 2nd best team (Auburn) is ranked 17th and has FOUR losses. The ACC has had a very good year and has Clemson in the playoff but the resurgence of FSU has been offset with the Cards collapse. The ACC does have a large group of pretty good teams like UNC, Pitt, Va Tech, NC St, Ga Tech and Miami so there is a lot to like but not quite at Big 10 level.

Down year for both the Big 12 and PAC 12 which means anyone saying that what has transpired so far this year in college football has not proven that the Big 10 is the best conference in the land is either a hater or knot head SEC honk.

#8 Wisconsin beat then #5 LSU and the Badgers' only 2 regular season losses came at #4 Michigan by 7 pts and in OT against #2 Ohio State in OT. Not exactly "weak sisters".

#6 Michigan pounded PAC 12 South Champion Colorado by 17.

#2 Ohio State dominated Big 12 Champion Oklahoma in Norman by 3 Touchdowns.

#5 and Big 10 Champion Penn St has won 9 games in a row and 1 of those was beating undefeated #2 Ohio St. Not exactly a weak sister.


For me, I never understand the conference love affair or hatred of. I love being in the ACC but I'm a Louisville fan, period. Now tell me again how the Big10 gained its lofty status by pummeling weak sisters.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

What did those teams do against Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan State and Maryland and MAC teams and maybe OVC teams ?