At least 6 schools to receive notice of major violations
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At this point I’m basically like “fu@k it”. What was revealed was that all major recruiting was a sham and the NCAA knew that. We obviously weren’t good at it but we were the one program that cleaned house. Not sure who they plan to talk to at the university. Fortunately they won’t find anyone that was connected.
I’d say the 6 schools would be Auburn, LSU, Kansas, Arizona, Oklahoma State, and USC. These 6 more or less gave the middle finger to the whole situation, while we cleaned house.
“It has previously been reported that at least Kansas, Arizona and Louisville had been under NCAA investigation.”
Cleaning house probably won't do much for you with the NCAA except showing that you've determined there were indeed infractions. There has to be a deterrent for the institution. Otherwise every school would turn a blind eye to cheating until caught, then just fire everybody, hire another big name coach and go on down the road.
If that were actually the case, why hasn’t Auburn, Arizona, Kansas, and LSU “just fired everybody, hired another big name coach, and gone on down the road”?
You are in denial, my friend. Louisville was on probation and there is tape of a Louisville coach in a Vegas hotel with an envelope of cash saying "We have to keep this on the downlow because we are on probation." Yes Louisville cleaned house and yes the NCAA may give some credit for that - but I would not expect this. Louisville self-admitted, self-imposed, and completely cooperated with the stripper thing - and 2 FF's and a title were taken away. By firing everyone, all Louisville did was self-admit again for this Adidas thing.
Trust me, I hope that I am wrong, but nothing I'm seeing gives me any hope here. We have to enjoy this coming season, it may be the last good one for a while.
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They won't need to. There is sworn testimony and apparently a tape with pretty damning evidence. Compare that evidence to the evidence for the ho's - Katina's book "written" in a wire notebook that was obviously scribbled together one afternoon.
Again, I would absolutely LOVE to be wrong and will take no pleasure in saying "I told you so" if I'm right.
I can agree that it won’t get UofL out of trouble. Whether UofL’s penalties will be less severe due to firing our coaches and AD we will only know in time, and even at that by comparison to what penalties other schools receive.
Auburn at a minimum should be able to confirm that there were infractions, because Chuck Person pled guilty to avoid a trial. Yet they haven’t done anything. Auburn’s penalties when compared to UofL’s should be an interesting comparison.
Regarding the “completely cooperated” point ... you may think we did ... but we did NOT. We fought the NCAA when we discovered that they were going to make an example of Pitino (with probably a year long ban) for turning a blind eye to what happened. And the NCAA at that point said okay ... if you want to play it that way, you can keep your coach, and we’ll punish your program instead by requiring you to vacate every win that your ineligible players played in.
I see what you mean. I guess what I should have said is "completely cooperated with the investigation."
I don't recall it that way. I recall Jurich claiming "we'll own up to it" when the news first broke. I recall hiring that jack ass NCAA compliance "expert" Smrt to navigate us through the choppy waters. I recall self imposing a post season ban. All of these were done in the name of cooperation. And they did suspend Pitino (5 games.)
A 5 game suspension was nothing compared to what the new NCAA rules called for when it came to a major infraction. We’ll probably never know what Smrt actually recommended UofL do (since he was hired by UofL, they likely required him to sign a confidentiality agreement), but it’s likely he recommended firing Pitino and was overruled by Jurich and Ramsey.
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But wait...I thought this was just all orchestrated by the “clown show” to get to Pitino and TJ.
Seriously though, I agree with what you said. But I’d like to think the fact we cleaned house would count for something especially given that everyone is basically giving the NCAA the middle finger.
I feel the folks posting here believing the hammer is about to drop are more right than wrong. It doesn't matter to the NCAA that UofL cleaned house. They will want to make a statement so they'll destroy the Cardinals basketball program as much as they can. Once the hammer drops, we'll probably see the defections that zipp has been hoping for.
I agree. I'll use hyperbole to make a point: UofL could have kept RP & TJ, throw a party to celebrate on the steps of Minardi Hall with Katina (bald head and all) and her entourage dancing on poles while Andrew McGee and Brian Bowen Sr. made it rain with a stack of 1's from his $100k promised from Adidas. Hell, get Snoop Dogg to show up ("Get your green hat!"). It's just my opinion, but had they done something like this, I don't think the NCAA reaction would have been any different when they took the banners away nor would it be any different in what they decide in the coming weeks/months.
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Your logic and common sense is strong, bro.
Therefore, I expect the ncaa to hammer us and award the others...
Therefore, I expect the ncaa to hammer us and award the others...
In the future all we have to do is say that anything we did for our athletes we did the same for the rest of our student body.
"You get an ugly ho.....YOU get an ugly ho.....and YOU get an ugly ho! Everybody gets an ugly ho!!!!"
The fact that we've bounced back so well from the first round of penalties doesn't show a good look to the NCAA.
If the NCAA wants to make an example of us ( which they have already done with by taking away our National Championship) they could give UofL the death penalty since all of this happened while UofL was already on probation.
OR the NCAA could say UofL already did enough with what NCAA agrees on by getting rid of the head coach, athletic director, assistant bball coaches, scholarship reduction.
OR the NCAA could say UofL already did enough with what NCAA agrees on by getting rid of the head coach, athletic director, assistant bball coaches, scholarship reduction.
FWIW, I expect additional scholarship reductions (four total, 2 each over 2 years) and 5 more years of probation. One additional postseason ban is also possible, but I do expect the NCAA to make the point that they decided against the “death-penalty” for repeat violator offenses committed by UofL coaches due to UofL’s immediate firing of the coaches and athletic director.
I’m not expecting any additional vacation of wins, but that might change in the unlikely event that the investigation uncovers any evidence that VJ King was ineligible due to being paid by either Adidas or UofL coaches.
I’m not expecting any additional vacation of wins, but that might change in the unlikely event that the investigation uncovers any evidence that VJ King was ineligible due to being paid by either Adidas or UofL coaches.
Yikes. I tend to be the doom and gloom guy (actually just being realistic given what has happened) about this stuff, but this is beyond me. Five years probations....wow. A one or 2 year death penalty would be better. Five years is an eternity and the program will be long forgotten by then.
Probation simply means that the basketball coaches get additional NCAA compliance training, that the NCAA follows up with the program annually to check that they are in compliance, and that any minor or major infractions committed during that time are penalized more harshly.
As long as you are following the rules during that period of time, it will have no visible impact on the program.
As long as you are following the rules during that period of time, it will have no visible impact on the program.
I think there is a difference in post season bans and the death penalty, which I don’t think the NCAA advocates any more.
OH - I was thinking 5 years probation = 5 year post-season ban. Obviously that's not true, not sure what I was thinking.
I don’t care if the ncaa just wants us to sign a paper promising to be nice, we need to fight them, bro. They’re unethical sacks of crap that need to be disbanded.
If they go at us and not everyone else that’s been named, there has to be a fight, bro.
Bet all this shit quietly fades away once Avenatti outs Duke.
If they go at us and not everyone else that’s been named, there has to be a fight, bro.
Bet all this shit quietly fades away once Avenatti outs Duke.
Avenatti is a conman and a liar. I wouldn't expect much from him. He'll be in prison soon enough.
If anyone knows about conmen and liars, it’d be a member of the BBN, bro.
The info he has released was already known. He won't have anything of substance on anyone, perhaps hearsay and innuendo but nothing solid.
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