App St. takes down A&M
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After making a foolish comment about the quality of the Sun Belt Conference, you obviously witnessed the two major SBC upsets …..Marshall and APS over top ten home teams. Old Dominion beat VT last week and watch James Madison.
if you watchEd the APS running game against A&M, you should have witnessed the type of physicality that Satterfield is trying to install here.
if you watchEd the APS running game against A&M, you should have witnessed the type of physicality that Satterfield is trying to install here.
it's kind of what disappoitns me with satts, the way App st controlled the line, when satts came here app st had always done that and i expected our o-line scheme to be more ground and pound jsut liek them today. just seems to not come together yet for us but yesterday was a start
You clearly have some reading comprehension issues as I haven’t made one comment about the state of the Sunbelt conference. I have said - repeatedly - that P5 teams shouldn’t celebrate wins against - nor lose to G5 programs. I feel pretty sure that 99% of CFB fans - especially those in South Bend and College Station - would agree with that opinion.
In the meantime, it’s year 4 - how long will it take for satterfield to install that same level of physicality? Maybe he won’t because he can’t, because he didn’t do it in Boone either - it was handed to him.
And Drinkwitz not setting the world on fire at Missouri.
I think your monicker ”sunbelt Satterfield” speaks sufficiently as to your minimization of the conference. Go ahead and walk it back …..anyone can see your agenda.
A teachable moment here” how long did it take Stoops to get UK where they can beat UF twice in a row? How did he do it?
I will make it easy for you ….. Stoops emphasized a physical running game before he had the talent to do it. It may take 4 more years, as the culture and talent necessary to reach that level at a school like UL is a challenge.
I hate using UK as a model for anything, but an SEC dormat that can escape the basement of their conference is worthy of noting. Satterfield has that same mentality. He may or may not be our answer, but making a change right now is not the answer.
A teachable moment here” how long did it take Stoops to get UK where they can beat UF twice in a row? How did he do it?
I will make it easy for you ….. Stoops emphasized a physical running game before he had the talent to do it. It may take 4 more years, as the culture and talent necessary to reach that level at a school like UL is a challenge.
I hate using UK as a model for anything, but an SEC dormat that can escape the basement of their conference is worthy of noting. Satterfield has that same mentality. He may or may not be our answer, but making a change right now is not the answer.
I’m not walking anything back - “Sunbelt Scotty” is a dig at Satterfield - not the conference. It’s a reflection of my (and many others’) belief that he is in over his head at this level. And while yesterday was certainly a glorious day for the sunbelt conference - I don’t think we’ll be seeing any of them them make any noise in the CFB playoffs - which is the goal of P5 teams.
As for Stupes - well first off, given that they’ve averaged 4 1/2 losses a year for the last decade - beating Florida - even consecutively- doesn’t have the same cache as it did 15 years ago. Secondly, they won last night not because of a physical running game (109 total rushing yards) but because of the complete disparity between QBs. I’ll make it easy for you - you’re not going to win many games when your QB goes 14-35 (with most of the incompletions consisting of overthrowing wide open receivers or, throwing absolute piss missiles when the throw required some touch) with multiple turnovers.
Lastly, it’s significantly more understandable why it took Stupes as long as it did, given the state of the program that he inherited and, that he is competing in the most difficult conference in the country. I would think even you could agree that it certainly shouldn’t be nearly that hard to build / stand out as a physical program in the ACC which, is not known for its physicality.
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Stoops has done a masterful job. No denying that. Their scheduling was smart. It allowed him time to build his program. He also benefited from the SEC East being down. He is also a really good defensive coach. They always stay in games with their defense. Bottom line they were extremely patient with him and he executed his plan.
Satterfield walked into a train wreck as well. He didn’t get the benefit of a watered down out of conference scheduled. Playing the likes of Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Kentucky, UCF, and WKU. The ACC isn’t a great football conference but their are good teams in the conference.
The problem is Louisville has been in consistency. Consistency in performing and recruiting. It has led to losing games they shouldn’t. To build a program you have to win games you should and surprise some of the better teams. They just haven’t done that.
Year 4 they shouldn’t have a game like Syracuse. I think criticism is warranted. Beating UCF was a good not great thing. FSU is a game they need to win and exactly the kind of game they haven’t.
Satterfield walked into a train wreck as well. He didn’t get the benefit of a watered down out of conference scheduled. Playing the likes of Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Kentucky, UCF, and WKU. The ACC isn’t a great football conference but their are good teams in the conference.
The problem is Louisville has been in consistency. Consistency in performing and recruiting. It has led to losing games they shouldn’t. To build a program you have to win games you should and surprise some of the better teams. They just haven’t done that.
Year 4 they shouldn’t have a game like Syracuse. I think criticism is warranted. Beating UCF was a good not great thing. FSU is a game they need to win and exactly the kind of game they haven’t.
The point is HOW Stoops built UK football from the SEC dormat to a respectable football program. Despite his defensive background, he focused on the Offensive Line and powerful RBs. ASU was similar, in that physicality on the offensive side is intentional; conversely UL under Petrino was more about emphasizing the passing game. The success with Lamar explains our dependence on Cunningham; like it or not, we lost that physicality when JLS left. I believe Satterfield is doing what he can to change the “pass first” culture by emphasizing the ground game behind physical OL and RBs.
My point is it takes time, and yes that is the same model Stoops inserted at UK.
My point is it takes time, and yes that is the same model Stoops inserted at UK.
So to make sure I understand - you’re saying UofL hasn’t been physical since John L Smith left?? What about the Charlie Strong years?
You may believe that Satterfield emphasizing a ground game behind RBs but, Cunningham’s rushing numbers have INCREASED every year since Satterfield got here. Only Javian Hawkins kept Malik from being the leading rusher every year of Satterfield’s tenure.
Like him or not (spoiler alert - I don’t) Stupes’ task at uk was significantly more difficult than the one Satterfield came into at UofL. By year four, you would certainly think that he could have recruited and developed an OL that would be capable of executing his plan in the ACC. That he has not, should lead you to wonder if he’s capable of doing so at this level.
We should celebrate every victory. UCF is one of the top G5 programs and is on its way to P5 status. That was a big win for us. Celebration stops today, however and focus goes on FSU.
Premature assertion. CSS still has 10 more games to go in Year 4 to prove this out as right or wrong. Unfair to not take those 10 games into the decision making process. Carry on with your bias. BP are you a real Petrino or just a ghost? Just asking for some clarity about your stances?
No Ghost, the JLS and Strong situations were entirely different ….. Charlie had no alternative, as the roster was void of a QB capable of executing anything other than a smash mouth offense. Charlie did a great job of re-inserting that physical culture here. JLS had roster options when he arrived.
Satterfield‘s offensive game plan at Syracuse was clearly unsuccessful, no denying the facts. My point is that going into that contest, he believed this OL was capable of controlling the LOS, and was confident that Evans could get the required 4-5 yards on first down. It’s a long season, and I believe he hoped he could avoid using Malik anymore than necessary. It started to work at UCF, but still has a long way to go.
Any comparison between Satterfield, Smith and Strong needs to be with respect to the player talent. Look at the number of NFL players on those three (3) rosters over the same 3-4 years. Sad fact is Bobby left Satterfield with a talent-challenged roster, and recruiting up until this 2023 class has been less than ACC level.
Satterfield‘s offensive game plan at Syracuse was clearly unsuccessful, no denying the facts. My point is that going into that contest, he believed this OL was capable of controlling the LOS, and was confident that Evans could get the required 4-5 yards on first down. It’s a long season, and I believe he hoped he could avoid using Malik anymore than necessary. It started to work at UCF, but still has a long way to go.
Any comparison between Satterfield, Smith and Strong needs to be with respect to the player talent. Look at the number of NFL players on those three (3) rosters over the same 3-4 years. Sad fact is Bobby left Satterfield with a talent-challenged roster, and recruiting up until this 2023 class has been less than ACC level.
I remember our best years under Petrino when we had Lefores at quarterback Gates, Shelton and Bush in the backfield. We had great receivers and we were averaging over 40 points a game. I remember playing Army and we beat them badly and the Army players saying playing Louisville was like playing a 3 headed monster.I wish we would go back to that with Cunningham at quarterback and Evans, Mitchell and Cooley in the backfield.
Charlie liked to punish big racked MILFs and opposing offenses. Smack it
Some people will attack, but I get what you mean.
Scott may be a good coach, but his entire career was essentially at App State and not in he P5. All in that little region. Louisville is a different place and you can’t make that culture here.
We aren’t a “lunch pail” Deep South area, we’re a “kick your a** take your lunch money” type of area.
That’s why I get critiqued for saying Scott might do better at a SEC school like SC or even Auburn where it’s the south and they have nothing but football to care about. Here you need a fired up guy looking to break legs rather than shake hands.
It’s year 4 - at what point I’m does the assertion become actual - year 5? Year 6? Year 7?
I’m only biased to the success of the program - not towards or against any specific coach - and that includes Petrino.
So in your estimation, Teddy Bridgewater was only good enough to hand the ball off? Strong was a defensive coach - like Stupes - and those guys all seem to want to play conservatively but, that only takes you so far. Hell, Saban is a fantastic defensive coach and he realized 3-4 years ago that he had to have a wide open, multiple offense on top of a good rushing attack to win at the highest level.
My point is that if Satterfield really believed that this OL could control the LOS - then that is further evidence that he isn’t a great judge of talent, can’t coach them up or, both. Either way it’s another example of him being in over his head.
Good coaches identify, recruit, sign and develop NFL talent. If that’s not happening at a program - look no further than the staff. Petrino left Satterfield an unbalanced roster - particularly on the defensive side if the ball - but, it does seem ironic that Satterfield’s best year was his first - you know, the one with Petrino’s players.
