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Dude is HUGE, but he looks to be foul prone and he seems to get winded easily. He can't seem to play for more than 3 minutes at a time before he needs to come out of the game.

What happens to everyone's brackets if UCF beats Duke today? I know my bracket would be destroyed since I have the Blue Devils winning it all.
 
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Taco just hammered Williamson and got away with it. Would have been his 4th foul. Coach K almost had a stroke!
 
UCF has hung tough and the Dawkins kid is impressive. Right now, Zion has been more than up to the challenge.
 
UCF just took the lead with around 3 minutes to go in the game. If this holds up, my bracket is toast.
 
Dawkins and Taylor are both having great games. 8.1 seconds to go, Duke up by 1. UCF ball. Lets see.
 
Tacko is a good weapon in certain situations but I sure am glad Duke won. I want to see as many ACC teams as possible in the FF and an ACC team win it all. I would like that to happen in both the men's and women's tournament.
 
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The tragedy for UCF was that, if Tacko just got out of Zion’s way, UCF would have had the 1 point lead, the ball, and Tacko still in the game with less than 10 seconds left.

Sometimes it’s difficult to just make the smart play... but as soon as Zion stepped inside the 3 point line, the UCF players needed to roll out the red carpet all the way to the rim.
 
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Duke has more lives than a cat. They were extremely lucky in the last 2 minutes of that game.....and got the friendly duke whistle or lack thereof to win the game.:eek::rolleyes::oops:o_O

UCF deserved to win....Coach K even said so too. Well that may have been their closet game on the way to the Chip IMO. No stopping them now.;)
 
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Mayoman said:
Duke has more lives than a cat. They were extremely lucky in the last 2 minutes of that game.....and got the friendly duke whistle or lack thereof to win the game.:eek::rolleyes::oops:o_O

UCF deserved to win....Coach K even said so too. Well that may have been their closet game on the way to the Chip IMO. Nos toppings them now.;)
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I thought Zion charged into the 1st defender on the final drive with his backside. Hence no bucket and no followup off the missed FT. OTOH they had to makeup for the screw up on what should have been a shot clock violation.
 
Duke was messed over on the Taco follow shot after the clock expired. Basket shouldn't have counted...
 
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Duke was messed over on the Taco follow shot after the clock expired. Basket shouldn't have counted...
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Not really, no indisputable evidence to over rule the play on the floor. Pure judgement call either way. Just so happened it went UCF's way on that one.

Zion charged twice on that last play and got away with both charges to get the foul call.

BS for UCF but it was Duke and they gonna get that call 99% of the time just cause they are Zion and Duke. Just the way it is.
 
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Mayoman said:
Not really, no indisputable evidence to over rule the play on the floor. Pure judgement call either way. Just so happened it went UCF's way on that one.

Zion charged twice on that last play and got away with both charges to get the foul call.

BS for UCF but it was Duke and they gonna get that call 99% of the time just cause they are Zion and Duke. Just the way it is.
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The rotation of the ball didn't change. And that's a common way to make that determination.

It's also not a "pure judgment" call like block-charge, or they couldn't have reviewed it...
 
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zipp said:
The rotation of the ball didn't change. And that's a common way to make that determination.

It's also not a "pure judgment" call like block-charge, or they couldn't have reviewed it...
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The review of the shot resulted in pure judgement by the reviewing official and designated tv official too; as to what the ball touched or not.

Different angles conflicted with what to make of the call = indisputable evidence not clearly defined. Not sure why you don't see that.
 
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The rotation of the ball didn't change. And that's a common way to make that determination.

It's also not a "pure judgment" call like block-charge, or they couldn't have reviewed it...
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I disagree that the rotation of the ball didn’t change. There was one angle which looked like the ball grazed the edge of the rim, which is why the ruling on the court had to stand.
 
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PushupMan said:
I disagree that the rotation of the ball didn’t change. There was one angle which looked like the ball grazed the edge of the rim, which is why the ruling on the court had to stand.
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I wasn't talking about the ball "grazing the rim". No way you can see that.

I watched on a big HDTV, and I didn't see the rotation of the ball change at all. By physical definition, that means no contact which reverses the call...
 
If you're not going to accept evidence of the ball NOT touching the rim, why are you looking at the replay? Makes no sense.

There was no evidence of the ball TOUCHING the rim. That overturns the goal...
 
I think the ball missed the rim,but they got that call back with Zion's push off and the arm in the back on the missed free throw.
 
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If you're not going to accept evidence of the ball NOT touching the rim, why are you looking at the replay? Makes no sense. Mayo: Ask the officials about that. It was vs Duke. so they felt the need to review the call I suppose.

There was no evidence of the ball TOUCHING the rim. That overturns the goal...
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Mayo: The tv offcial stated that he thought there was evidence that the ball grazed the back of the rim . Ask him. Personally, I hate the phrase 'no indisputable evidence' because one can always dispute perception/eyesight/judgement until the cows come home depending on what you/they want the outcome to be.
 
Think Zipp is right on this one. It's physics. The rotation of the ball never changed until it hit the backboard. That dunk by Taco should have been waived off but as they say.....ball don't lie. Duke won. Central Florida lost. End of story.
 
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Think Zipp is right on this one. It's physics. The rotation of the ball never changed until it hit the backboard. That dunk by Taco should have been waived off but as they say.....ball don't lie. Duke won. Central Florida lost. End of story.
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That is the tainted BL in my mind.

The non call on Zion for charging twice on that drive to the goal factored into that outcome though. UCF deserved better.

Imperfect partial referees deciding the outcome of a game in Duke's favor. Go figure. Same ole same ole.

Was that the makeup no call(s) on Zion for allowing the goal to count for UCF? IDK.....just things that make you go HHHMMMMM.
 
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Mayoman said:
That is the tainted BL in my mind.

The non call on Zion for charging twice on that drive to the goal factored into that outcome though. UCF deserved better.

Imperfect partial referees deciding the outcome of a game in Duke's favor. Go figure. Same ole same ole.

Was that the makeup no call(s) on Zion for allowing the goal to count for UCF? IDK.....just things that make you go HHHMMMMM.
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Hard to argue. It sure seems like certain teams always get the special treatment. Duke is one of those teams.
 
With one angle, I saw the ball graze the rim, and with that view I would claim that the ball’s rotation DID change. I can also recognize that there are other views (specifically the view from above the basket) that look like the ball did not touch the rim. These circumstances meet the very definition of the standard, which is why the call could not be overturned.
 
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PushupMan said:
With one angle, I saw the ball graze the rim, and with that view I would claim that the ball’s rotation DID change. I can also recognize that there are other views (specifically the view from above the basket) that look like the ball did not touch the rim. These circumstances meet the very definition of the standard, which is why the call could not be overturned.
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It was very close, but I honestly did not see any type of ball rotation changing as it went past the rim and hit the backboard. It was a very tough call, so I understand why it was not overturned.
 
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It was very close, but I honestly did not see any type of ball rotation changing as it went past the rim and hit the backboard. It was a very tough call, so I understand why it was not overturned.
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You didn't see the rotation change because it didn't change. I watched the replay over and over to see what didn't happen.

No way you're going to actually see a ball graze the rim and not change its trajectory. In a situation like this, that's not what you're looking for in the replay.

I didn't come up with the idea of looking at the rotation of the ball as the indicator. It's the indicator referenced routinely in that situation. Hell, it probably says that in the "referee's handbook"...
 
Basket shouldn't have counted. Loved that they didnt call a charge on that weak flop attempt! Call it WAY too much. Man up and play D or get dunked on.
 
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Actually, there IS a way that the ball could graze the rim and the rotation of the ball not change … and that would be if the force from the impact of the ball hitting the rim was in a direction that was roughly the same as that which the ball was already rotating....

The change in rotation that I saw was in the same direction as the ball was already rotating. It just made the ball rotate in that direction slightly more quickly.

There's also a magnitude of force to consider … but we've already established that the contact with the rim was either non-existent (zero magnitude) or very slight - so the speed up of the ball's rotation was also very slight, and was made to look even more slight due to the super slow motion of the instant replays.

Always knew that my Speed School education would come in handy....
 
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Bottom line

Refs miss calls and then have to employ make up calls.
Always been that way. Always will be that way.

Duke got more calls, but UCF got some to.
Even though I picked Duke, I was pulling for UCF who had two chances to win at the buzzer.
 
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KerryRhodes said:
Bottom line

Refs miss calls and then have to employ make up calls.
Always been that way. Always will be that way.

Duke got more calls, but UCF got some to.
Even though I picked Duke, I was pulling for UCF who had two chances to win at the buzzer.
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Now Kerry, you know the refs don't call 'make up calls'. They've told us that. Haha. I got Duke winning it all on my bracket (like a gazillion other people do), but I was pulling for UCF too. LOL.
 
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