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TheRealVille

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It's ridiculous how bad the Cards continue to perform against Virginia. It looks to me like Pitino doesn't mind losing to this team. They're not even trying to force a fast pace. There were several times when the Cards could push it but they slowly bring it up. Pitino wants them to learn offense with the pass and Virginia is kind of defense to have to work at it.

It just doesn't make sense how every game against them the Cards do the same inept BS on offense. I would rather see them shoot a bunch of 3's than this hand the ball off weave that gets nowhere. And it sure doesn't help when the officials apparently are feeling cozy with the Cavs because the whistles have been one sided.

This has to stop!
 
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Was gonna say,I bet there's guys on the bench that would bring it tonite and King nails one.Take these guys out of the game! They didn't come to play.
 
Is there some reason why we don't try and trap Virginia? Just seems to me that it might speed the game up a little bit.
 
Now we are chasing on defense and they are making us look really weak. Like Washington Generals weak
 
TheRealVille said:
It's ridiculous how bad the Cards continue to perform against Virginia. It looks to me like Pitino doesn't mind losing to this team. They're not even trying to force a fast pace. There were several times when the Cards could push it but they slowly bring it up. Pitino wants them to learn offense with the pass and Virginia is kind of defense to have to work at it.

It just doesn't make sense how every game against them the Cards do the same inept BS on offense. I would rather see them shoot a bunch of 3's than this hand the ball off weave that gets nowhere. And it sure doesn't help when the officials apparently are feeling cozy with the Cavs because the whistles have been one sided.

This has to stop!
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Seems to me that Rick believes that there is no way to speed Virginia up and is settled on trying to ball fake, dribble to the side of the key and reverse the ball in the half court as the strategy. It worked in the 2nd half at UVA 2 years ago but still resulted in a loss. I had a bad feeling about this game after watching how easily we got into the lane against UK. Tough to do against UVA.

The not being able to speed UVA up may be true for an entire game but they seem to have adjusted to our plan and the result is us turning the ball over at a ridiculous rate. They seem very comfortable playing us and we could not look anymore out of sorts.

I give them credit but I still detest watching their brand of basketball.
 
Guys, we are not as good as our rating. Plain and simple - our talent level is not overwhelming or exceptional. Our bigs are absolutely horrible - Mango (offensively pathetic), Anas (weak as water, couldn't guard my mom), Spalding (has improved very little), King (tentative), Mitchell (nothing super special), Deng Adel (average), we probably don't have an NBA player on our roster. That I fault Rick for big-time!
 
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Playing UVA really shows our lack of having any consistent offense. They handle our P 'n R quite. well.
 
Creek,I think your analysis is spot on for tonite,but this is not the team we saw against Uk.

Sandwich this one between UK and IU and you got what we see tonite.Would've preferred to see Pitino sit them all after 2 minutes into the game.
 
#16 Indiana just lost in Bloomington to unranked Nebraska. The luster is not what it was for Saturday.

Glad it's still just December
 
ShortCreek said:
Guys, we are not as good as our rating. Plain and simple - our talent level is not overwhelming or exceptional. Our bigs are absolutely horrible - Mango (offensively pathetic), Anas (weak as water, couldn't guard my mom), Spalding (has improved very little), King (tentative), Mitchell (nothing super special), Deng Adel (average), we probably don't have an NBA player on our roster. That I fault Rick for big-time!
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Wrong!
 
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One thing I don't understand. CRP has said the only person who knows the offense is Levitch. Levitch played a decent game against UK and gets no minutes... while Mitchell shoots air balls?
 
What bothers me is somebody step up and sense the flatness coming in and be a leader.Before the game starts preferably.This group needs leadership,much like the football team.
 
earsky said:
What bothers me is somebody step up and sense the flatness coming in and be a leader.Before the game starts preferably.This group needs leadership,much like the football team.
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Feels like Mitchell should be this guy but dang he has been underwhelming so far this year.
 
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UVA has a ceiling and Louisville does not.

These regular season games are used by Pitino to teach. Bennett has his guys ready, but they never get better as the season progresses. They don't have a "next level" or accelerated gear.

Compare the post season results.

They can have the wins now. They got a nice lean from the zebras in the 1st half. They played under no game pressure.

Cards did not show up. Had no juice for the opponent.

This is a bad Louisville offense. I still suspect Louisville will go further in March than UVA.

These games test fans. We've all seen this movie before. So have UVA fans.
 
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Well the good new is that they beat us by 18 and 22 last year. This time by 8. The bad news is that we once again lost. Can someone explain to me why we have so called shooters when they arrive, but somehow they never shoot consistently? Also Anas dunk the damn ball!
 
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We don't have any "so-called" shooters on this team.

This team has been challenged offensively since the season started. It's a sub-standard offense.

They will go as far as the defense will take them.
 
Ipartiedwithhopgood said:
They will go as far as the defense will take them.
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Hop,you see what I see here?That defense is not creating enough havoc.The half court stops are nice,but there's not enough turnover from pressure.It's a problem for sure with the gang that can't shoot straight.
 
TheRealVille said:
It looks to me like Pitino doesn't mind losing to this team.
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I think you are on to something right here. It looks like he doesn't mind, because he doesn't.

The reality is, Pitino doesn't really mind losing to UVA in the regular season. He knows he's not carrying the type of roster that can go out and outscore opponents. He doesn't have NBA talent on this team.

I think he secretly laughs at UVA when nobody is watching. Sounds crazy, but probably is spot on.

These regular season games get fans panties in one big wad, we're talking thong style.

The reality is, UVA has no upside. They "are what they are" - whereas Pitino is baking a cake with Louisville. He breaks them down and decides when to build them up.

Bennett's approach works for them - in the regular season. Good for him, and good for them.

Rick uses these games to teach players, and show them how they can't get away with mental mistakes against "quality" opponents.
 
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Hop,you see what I see here?That defense is not creating enough havoc.The half court stops are nice,but there's not enough turnover from pressure.It's a problem for sure with the gang that can't shoot straight.
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The Cards must be ready mentally and physically to beat top teams.

They did not show up tonight. Step slow, just not motivated to play the game.

The defense is fine. Using just about any metric, it is top 5.

UofL was never going to win the ACC regular season anyway. Team does not have the offensive artillery to do that. They are better served to eat some humble pie, wall up, and then go beat teams in March like they usually do.

I wasn't sky high when they dominated Purdue (best team in Big 10?) and I'm not getting discouraged by losing to UVA who is peaking in December.
 
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  • It's still December, and you need to execute well to beat Virginia. There's a lot of the season left, and we obviously didn't play well tonite.
  • Too many bad practices during the past week leading up to Virginia.
  • Players listening to what's being said OUTSIDE of the locker room.
  • Last two bullets translated... We came into the game still on an LPT high.
 
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zipp said:
  • It's still December, and you need to execute well to beat Virginia. There's a lot of the season left, and we obviously didn't play well tonite.
  • Too many bad practices during the past week leading up to Virginia.
  • Players listening to what's being said OUTSIDE of the locker room.
  • Last two bullets translated... We came into the game still on an LPT high.
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Pretty much what he said.
 
Majestic Red said:
UVA is simply a bad match-up for Louisville. There's nothing really else that can be said.
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UK beat UNC and then lost to UL the next game. The emotion of big games drain the players for the next game. The same situation occurred tonight. Big game for the Card to beat the Cats and then the letdown occurs. It is still December and the Cards are not in bad shape. I believe your game against IU will be a was since both teams will be coming off a loss
 
Ipartiedwithhopgood said:
Pretty much what he said.
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Pitino contradicted himself in that presser. He bristled at the thought that we "overlooked " Virginia on the heels of the LPT game. At the same time, he mentioned bad practices and players full of themselves which are the very indicators of what he denied happening. And I believe all of those comments are genuine. Who am I to second-guess what he sees as a basketball coach?

The problem is Pitino can't admit that one of his teams doesn't get up for every opponent. IMO he's just playing mind games with himself...
 
Yep. Tired of VA pushing the Cards ish in:confused:

Two pathetic losses.

Up by 22 against Baylor -loss.

Never in the game against Virginia -for the 4th straight game :mad:

Just go ahead and wave the white flag for when the Cards go to Charlottesville.

Just pathetic..........
 
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The defense is fine. Using just about any metric, it is top 5.
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I agree,but I meant in the press.You said the offense is challenged,which I agree with.That means they will have to force turnovers,which they are not.The defense is solid getting stops in the half court,not turning people over.

You know,we've had these same dialogues as fans not so long ago.This team struggles to push the ball up the court on those stops.They'll have to figure out how to make that happen to get something easier if they can't rely on pressure to do it.

We'll have to get the break going.Sounds simple,but...
 
IU fan here. At least you guys have a decent coach. I hope UofL wins by double digits on Saturday and Tom Crean puts a real estate sign in his front yard.
 
earsky said:
I agree,but I meant in the press.You said the offense is challenged,which I agree with.That means they will have to force turnovers,which they are not.The defense is solid getting stops in the half court,not turning people over.

You know,we've had these same dialogues as fans not so long ago.This team struggles to push the ball up the court on those stops.They'll have to figure out how to make that happen to get something easier if they can't rely on pressure to do it.

We'll have to get the break going.Sounds simple,but...
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Last night the half-court defense wasn't at a level it needed to be at. UVA executed and got pretty much whatever they wanted the first 30-32 min of the game.

Forcing turnovers via the press would not hurt, but it's hard to set the press if you aren't scoring. The Cards can get it done with better half-court defense. We didn't get enough stops last night in the half-court. More stops leads to outlet passes off rebounds and better offense. If UVA is missing shots in the half court and UofL is rebounding like they should be, they can create better offense via those misses.

Did not happen last night.
 
Pitino's coaching and recruiting is beginning to look like Denny Crum did in his last two or three seasons. I believe Rick's better days have past him up.
 
wilkie01 said:
Pitino's coaching and recruiting is beginning to look like Denny Crum did in his last two or three seasons. I believe Rick's better days have past him up.
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He's got a T10 recruiting class for next season, had a 5 star recruit in his last class, and in the last 5 years he's 15-3 in the NCAA Tournament. He's 11-2 with a title in his last 3 years of NCAA tourney play. His last 3 years look absolutely nothing like what Denny Crum's final years looked like.

You don't know what you're talking about.
 
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No need to overreact to a loss to UVA in December.

I am not surprised at the loss, but I am a little surprised by how bad the Cavs worked them last night. No focus from the Cards overall at all last night.

Bad shots (air balls)
Bad defense
Bad passes
McMahon behind the back dribble attempt at the end of the half between 2 defenders... huh!

UVA is not that good and UofL is not that bad.

Do we see the same on 2/6 at their place?
 
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