After 10 am Dec 7 , what Satt done will be second rate news no one will cae. BB is king in this city.
After 10 am Satt talk is done
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Whateva Fb dont hold a dam candle to BB and besides whats to talk about he still going to be the coach water under the bridge lol..
College basketball doesn’t move the needle these days and has never been the cash cow that football is. Covid or no, we’d be lucky to get 12k at a home game. The 80s and 90s were fun but they were a long time ago
Last i checked the university of Louisville is known for Basketball . Alot of FB fans in this city also root for other College fb teams because our program is what it is, Ive been a Florida gators fan since the late 80's in fb. You dont get this in BB . I know so many Fl.st ,Miami, Ohio St f , ND fans that have dual allegiance. Hey everybody is not a BB fan thats cool but i know this city is a BB dominate place. Be like sayong that same silly sh** in Lexington they send you to the crazy house. To each is own though!
Rummage on 93.9 one of the biggest U of L homers you'll find doesn't hide his fandom for the Vols FB. Howeve he one way in BB .
Rummage on 93.9 one of the biggest U of L homers you'll find doesn't hide his fandom for the Vols FB. Howeve he one way in BB .
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I think you’re stuck in the 80’s. UofL was absolutely a basketball school. 1,000%. Back then, however, we didn’t have a competitive football program, a decent baseball team, or olympics sports that were worth a damn. Be a basketball only fan. That’s cool. But UofL is much more today.
Read this piece carefully and besides don't even know why i would even waste time debating UofL BB vs FB. SMH
"What the vast majority of Cardinal football fans fail to accept is that Louisville is not a destination job. In hoops, yes. On the gridiron, no."
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It’s not about FB vs BB. It’s about UofL having a good all around athletic dept. We’ve got a lot of great things going, not just men’s b-ball. But, the hoops team has lost some luster. It’s been 5 years since the team made any kind of noise in the NCAAT. 5 years. The scandals, too. Exhausting! Louisville basketball is not the same, it pains me to say.Read this piece carefully and besides don't even know why i would even waste time debating UofL BB vs FB. SMH
"What the vast majority of Cardinal football fans fail to accept is that Louisville is not a destination job. In hoops, yes. On the gridiron, no."
The person who wrote that article is a hack..Read this piece carefully and besides don't even know why i would even waste time debating UofL BB vs FB. SMH
"What the vast majority of Cardinal football fans fail to accept is that Louisville is not a destination job. In hoops, yes. On the gridiron, no."
We still have a few sports to take pride in. Baseball and women's basketball lead the parade. A handful of others like swimming still excel.
The two revenue sports are in fade mode, and that needs to change. I have a hard time distinguishing between them...
The two revenue sports are in fade mode, and that needs to change. I have a hard time distinguishing between them...
You are a bright guy, but you tend to cling to the same negative thoughts. Are we currently in “fade mode” or simply facing some downturn that is both expected and routine in the ebb and flow of intercollegiate athletic success? The basketball program is wildly successful given the hamstrings it was given by the previous administration and coach. Football is similarly on the up and up given the same circumstances. We can get more gra
I try to look at comparable situations here to make an evaluation. Quick turnarounds with the right people are the norm, NOT the exception.
Pitino and Jurich have been gone for more than three years. Ramsey’s been retired for 4-1/2 years. I like to pose the question “how long do these new guys get?”
The basketball program was pretty low in 2001. Same with the football program in 1998 and a decade later in 2008. The entire department was on the wrong course when AD Bill Olsen retired.
And we brought in strong replacements who saw immediate results, not what we’re witnessing now. It’s about holding people accountable, just like you thought we were doing with these high level dismissals the last several years. I’m applying that same standard...
They did not get immediate results. Remember Ron Cooper? Pitino’s first year wasn’t great. Where was baseball? Women’s basketball? Soccer? It took TJ years to build the department. Getting the right staff and facilities in place was a long hard slog. Hey, if you are unhappy with Mack undefeated as of this writing, or any of the other programs, go ahead and complain (I’m sure you will anyway) but the last part of the. CRP debacle is just being announced today, and it will affect us for a long time. So yes, they get more time because they are still dealing with issues the prior leadership left.
What would be a "comparable situation" to impact of COVID on current college athletics and current financial challenges in the landscape "now" ????
I'd insert same type of question in regards to impact of being busted (he said bust get it?!?!) with hookers and 6 figure payouts with FBI tapping phones and firings of athletic leadership icons, and how "similar" (spoiler alert there ain't many examples of such dumbfawkery) events set back other athletic programs?
Unprecedented times hilariously evaluated as "just another day in the office" for 'Vince' amirite?
The telling part of a story analysis is disingenuous and the inability to incorporate all events into discussion makes the entire conversation lacking too many key elements.
Need 25 pages to cover it all trying to do it in a paragraph or 2 dont cut da musturd. Yep I spelled that wrong on purpose!!!!
Thanks 'Vince' !!!!
I'd insert same type of question in regards to impact of being busted (he said bust get it?!?!) with hookers and 6 figure payouts with FBI tapping phones and firings of athletic leadership icons, and how "similar" (spoiler alert there ain't many examples of such dumbfawkery) events set back other athletic programs?
Unprecedented times hilariously evaluated as "just another day in the office" for 'Vince' amirite?
The telling part of a story analysis is disingenuous and the inability to incorporate all events into discussion makes the entire conversation lacking too many key elements.
Need 25 pages to cover it all trying to do it in a paragraph or 2 dont cut da musturd. Yep I spelled that wrong on purpose!!!!
Thanks 'Vince' !!!!
Your post is just full of clown BS. In Mack’s first season we were picked to finish 11th in ACC and projected as a fringe NIT team. We greatly outpaced those expectations. And then last year we were 24-7 before the season was cancelled. We were legit final four threat.
He likes to rewrite history sometimes.
I need you to help me understand how 'Vince' should be convincing fans that are unemployed or about to be should be pumping $ into college sports programs and buying tickets for games they aren't allowed to attend or games that just get cancelled.
How should 'Vince' get CEOs getting crushed during the COVID era to cough up that $ for suites at the games for some college sports yo?
There are so many examples of "comparable situations" fo sho!!!
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Zipp wants to know when UofL bball should start getting judged you cant make this stuff up. It's as if the guy is pretending there isnt an NCAA announcement with major ramifications potentially about to happen that has been hanging over the program for years?????
This is all old news I tell ya!
This is all old news I tell ya!
It's like a spouse needing to move on during the best of times. It's been over for years even though it hasn't been! Up is down. Down is up. Thanks 'Vince' dagnabit!!!!!
John L was an immediate improvement. Pitino was an immediate improvement--he had us in the Final Four in the same time frame that the former athletics regime has been gone. Our total sports programs were a joke prior to Jurich; now they're on a path back to those times thanks mostly due to "Vince's" inability to raise money.
Women's basketball and baseball are not about RE-building. The guys in those jobs and the prior AD BUILT them. The football and men's basketball programs need RE-building, and instead, they're floundering.
I don't think anyone's willing to debate that in football at the moment. (Way to go "Vince"...) "Mack undefeated as of this writing" is an illusion. We've faded badly down the stretch the last two years, and men's basketball support is a fraction of what it was. Mack still has the same number of NCAA tourney wins at U of L as Padgett.
Raise the bar back to the level it was, and we can make apples-to-apples comparisons...
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Covid has dealt "Vince" the same hand as everyone else. That isn't his excuse for four years of dismal finances, including this year when he's already $25 million over his POST-Covid budget. How the hell does this happen? LINK
"Vince" isn't responsible for U of L's past. Like all managers, he's responsible for taking lemons and making lemonade. And I'm waiting for the first examples of that. Instead, all I read are bad news and excuses for that news.
He's responsible for righting a ship that so many think was sinking. Fine, examples of progress should be easy to show if things were as bad as you and others wanna portray. Where are those examples?
I don't wanna hear about the past. I wanna hear about the rosy future that I'm told is coming. Let's go...
I already acknowledged Mack had a GOOD--not great--first year. That was based on my expectation that we would be a bubble NCAA team and left out. Many fans that year--except those setting a low bar--were more optimistic than me.
Last year, you were 21-3 thru mid February, and 3-4 the last seven games. Two of those February losses were to Georgia Tech and Clemson. We faded to #14 in the final AP poll--from #5 a month earlier--which made us a "legit Sweet 16 threat", not Final Four. The bigger concern is this was the same fade job we did down the stretch the year before. And it's why I don't care how good this year's team looks through four games.
"Clown BS"??....LOL.
I'm pretty much OK using the history that Mack has written for me...
It's not my job to help "Vince" clean the poop off of himself. Like most people who don't plan for disaster, he's staring at it. For the better of three years, he tried to BS his way back to the way things were PRE-COVID.
And neither he nor you get to use that excuse for him now....
The story is that all of that stuff is in the past, and that it should be obvious to fans and donors. The story is that the new guys in charge should be trusted and deserve our support. If I have any of that wrong, please correct me.
And yet fans and donors continue to drop like flies.
Little of that is Mack's fault. He's a hired gun paid to win basketball games, period. Sure he could probably do a little more to attract fans, but that's not his job.
Hos and NCAA sanctions didn't suddenly cause Mack's teams to lose games in February and March. THOSE results are completely fair to judge him on. Those are the most important games on the schedule, so they're the most important part of his job.
U of L basketball is a combination of factors. Mack controls part of it and has done OK overall. The part that his bosses control has been incredibly mismanaged like everything else. We're getting what many of us expected...
The last posted odds for 2020 final four had us and two other schools as the 7th lowest odds. That would definitely imply that we were a legit final four contender, certainly more so than your anecdotal clown BS.
Uh, that's not the story. The program hasn't even been disciplined yet for the 6 figure FBI debacle. You're literally claiming to have moved on from something that's not even over.
Bizarre.
Hilariously uninformed take. Hookers and Sanctions limited his roster to guys like Fore and Cunningham. That was his starting backcourt year 1 when they "OVERACHIEVED" bud.
This is where your de Nile and ridiculous position on all this jumps off the page.
You either truly don't understand or are incredibly disingenuous it is probably a combination of both.
Keep pounding that sand, pretty soon it will be a decade of it. Hopefully we'll all stay alive long enough to keep reading it. As long as you don't go permanently ban.
Nothing bizarre about cause and effect. Living in the past is an excuse for underperformance. Certainly we agree that the players and coaches have moved on.
If fans and donors have no problem with the current regime, they would have moved on as well. They'd be supporting the basketball program. If they're not, that premise is incorrect...
Again, prior experience here says otherwise... The talent on our roster the last few years has been no worse than most of Pitino's teams. I'm basing that on Rivals rankings which I will be glad to republish.
I looked at the regular season winning percentages for Mack's two years here, and separated games prior to ("early") and after February 1st ("late"). I did the same for Pitino's last four teams, not including the championship season...
MACK: early 0.783, late 0.450, difference -0.333 (2 seasons)
PITINO: early 0.785, late 0.633, difference -0.122 (4 seasons)
These numbers INCLUDE the 2016 season in which the postseason ban was announced for "hookers and sanctions".
So whatever handicaps Mack has faced prior to February 1st each year has left him with almost exactly the same winning percentage as Pitino's latter teams/seasons, 0.783 vs 0.785. But poorer finishes.
Mack's data set is limited, and I'm waiting to see what he does with this team. But that's the difference between analysis and objective standards and excuse-making...
I can't stand that crap. I've lived a somewhat transient life and therefore loosely follow some other programs (I'll check the scores, if they're on tv and I'm not watching Louisville or doing something else I'll watch some) but I'm not a fan. Why not just be a fan of everyone and always be a winner? A very petty First World problem I completely admit but people like Rummage annoy the hell out of me in regards to their fandom.
Just curious - I understand the desire to goof on the ole zipper and his takes (I of all people know it can be great fun) but, I’ll never understand why anyone who’s been around here more than 10 minutes would attempt a rational and logical exchange with that specimen.
It’s the very definition of “p*ssing up a rope”.
It’s the very definition of “p*ssing up a rope”.
Every once in awhile on a Louisville message board one's compelled to defend some UofL guys. When you glance at some of Zipp's trash you'd think there was never any off court trouble at UofL and Mack is 2-9 in the NCAAs at UofL after inheriting multiple 5 star recruits. It's as if hookers and FBI never happened. Oh it's in the past! That was so 1990!
Even though the NCAA still isn't done with the program because of the prior regime's lack of give a f*ck.
The guy is really weird.
I get it - I do. It’s just a waste of energy. Like all miserable internet trolls, there is no amount of logic or proof that anyone could offer that would make a difference because none of that stuff matters to him. The only things that matter to individuals like that, are the reactions that they are able to elicit and the ability to make others miserable too.
If that means I differ from the average poster here who doesn't use analysis and objectivity, I'm 100% in agreement.
No excuses esp. after this much time...
Said a guy who never offers any himself. Latest evidence, this thread...
in the history of troll hacks on this site, Zipp is not the creme de la creme. count me as one person who is happy that Zipp is our provocateur and not some of the true clowns of our past.
As to the OP, I'll use a cliche...we need to dance with the girl who brung us...I don't fully endorse his message, but I get it.
As to the OP, I'll use a cliche...we need to dance with the girl who brung us...I don't fully endorse his message, but I get it.
So despite not being the best at it, zipp is still your favorite of all the internet trolls.
Got it.
