5 top Coaches on the HOT SEAT in 2015

[Hedgerunner]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24986149/the-friday-five-top-coaches-on-the-hot-seat-in-2015

 

[zipp]

No familiarity with the author, but I kinda doubt the three "hottest seats" are in the ACC.

Closer to home, I think the seat of the little guy over in Lexington will start to heat up this year without a bowl game.

LPT Football: So what else is new?...

 

[Cardinalmillwright]

I agree Zipp. Coach Poops, I mean Stoops, team needs to take a jump in wins or his ass will feel like a pork roast in a crock pot. Eventually pulled apart and eaten
.

 

[Hedgerunner]

In all honesty, some of you have to admit, Stoops is recruiting pretty good. What a change it would be to see KY. to be relevant is the SEC. Sure I want to see the CARDS beat KY. every year but let's admit, to see KY. as a player in the SEC and falling to the CARDS would be icing on the CAKE!

 

[real2it]

I personally like the idea of them having 5 wins needing number 6 to make a bowl and losing that ass to us to keep them at home!!!

 

[Ara64]

Here's the live link sports fans!

Hottest Seats in Town

 

[ULCard17]

Originally posted by Hedgerunner:

In all honesty, some of you have to admit, Stoops is recruiting pretty good. What a change it would be to see KY. to be relevant is the SEC. Sure I want to see the CARDS beat KY. every year but let's admit, to see KY. as a player in the SEC and falling to the CARDS would be icing on the CAKE!

LPT relevant in the SEC. Oh now that's funny. Best joke I've heard in a while.

I don't mind ending their dreams of going to a bowl every year.

 

[Mike'sMarbles]

The funny thing is, Stoops isn't going to be on any hot seat next year no matter what. UK's tradition is to keep bad coaches around for well past the time any other organization would have fired them. Look no further than Bill Curry for a perfect example.

The only coaches that get out of UK early are guys like Guy Morriss who find better opportunities. And yes, even back then when Baylor was a major bottom feeder, that was still a better opportunity than UK.

Anywhere else in the country, Year 3 is "make or break" for a coach. Stoops will be at UK at LEAST 5 years, regardless of achievement.

 

[WildCard]

Originally posted by Mike'sMarbles:
The funny thing is, Stoops isn't going to be on any hot seat next year no matter what. UK's tradition is to keep bad coaches around for well past the time any other organization would have fired them. Look no further than Bill Curry for a perfect example.

The only coaches that get out of UK early are guys like Guy Morriss who find better opportunities. And yes, even back then when Baylor was a major bottom feeder, that was still a better opportunity than UK.

Anywhere else in the country, Year 3 is "make or break" for a coach. Stoops will be at UK at LEAST 5 years, regardless of achievement.

I pretty much agree with this (^^^). The only 2 coaches in the past 50 years to be fired for incompetence were John Ray and Joker Phillips. Notwithstanding Mumme's scandal and Morriss' bolt to Baylor those were the shortest tenures of any UK football coaches.

One of the biggest myths in the UK program is what awful shape Phillips left them in. Truth be told, it was no worse than what any of their previous coaches left the next guy. But you couple that myth with fact UK is recruiting well AND putting unprecedented amounts of money into their football program and you can see why Stoops gets more than three years. Still, (most likely because of the recruiting and money) the BBN natives are a bit restless and realize they need to see at least a couple of quality wins next year.

Peace

 

[W.W.W.]

Originally posted by WildCard:

Originally posted by Mike'sMarbles:
The funny thing is, Stoops isn't going to be on any hot seat next year no matter what. UK's tradition is to keep bad coaches around for well past the time any other organization would have fired them. Look no further than Bill Curry for a perfect example.

The only coaches that get out of UK early are guys like Guy Morriss who find better opportunities. And yes, even back then when Baylor was a major bottom feeder, that was still a better opportunity than UK.

Anywhere else in the country, Year 3 is "make or break" for a coach. Stoops will be at UK at LEAST 5 years, regardless of achievement.

I pretty much agree with this (^^^). The only 2 coaches in the past 50 years to be fired for incompetence were John Ray and Joker Phillips. Notwithstanding Mumme's scandal and Morriss' bolt to Baylor those were the shortest tenures of any UK football coaches.

One of the biggest myths in the UK program is what awful shape Phillips left them in. Truth be told, it was no worse than what any of their previous coaches left the next guy. But you couple that myth with fact UK is recruiting well AND putting unprecedented amounts of money into their football program and you can see why Stoops gets more than three years. Still, (most likely because of the recruiting and money) the BBN natives are a bit restless and realize they need to see at least a couple of quality wins next year.

Peace

That isn't true. Brooks left Joker in better shape than Joker left Stoops. It's been a while, so I don't remember the exact numbers, but from the time Stoops took over to the beginning of his second season at UK around 20 players have left the program either through transfer, quitting football, or having been kicked off the team. That's essentially an entire recruiting class.

I do agree that some UK fans became a little restless in the second half of the season. They were blinded by the fast start. Truth be told, you could see the collapse coming from a mile away. Not only did the schedule get significantly harder, but UK played 8 weeks straight (I think) during the toughest part of their schedule without a bye week. That's asking a bunch for an already thin roster with a bunch of young guys playing major roles.

Before the start of last season most books had the over/under on wins for UK at 3.5 or 4 depending on where you looked. Despite the collapse at the end of the season UK still finished ahead of where most thought they would. They beat every team they were favored against, and pulled off one upset. That is progress, which is all that can be asked in year two of Stoops' tenure.

Next year I believe there will be more progress because of guys getting older, guys coming off RS, eight games at home, and hopefully an impact transfer that will be eligible immediately at a position of need (MLB).

Stoops won't be on the hot seat unless he achieves only four wins or less. A bowl would be great, but missing one won't put him in danger. However, the following year it's time to put up or shut up.

 

[Steelers2012]

Originally posted by W.W.W.:

Originally posted by WildCard:

Originally posted by Mike'sMarbles:
The funny thing is, Stoops isn't going to be on any hot seat next year no matter what. UK's tradition is to keep bad coaches around for well past the time any other organization would have fired them. Look no further than Bill Curry for a perfect example.

The only coaches that get out of UK early are guys like Guy Morriss who find better opportunities. And yes, even back then when Baylor was a major bottom feeder, that was still a better opportunity than UK.

Anywhere else in the country, Year 3 is "make or break" for a coach. Stoops will be at UK at LEAST 5 years, regardless of achievement.

I pretty much agree with this (^^^). The only 2 coaches in the past 50 years to be fired for incompetence were John Ray and Joker Phillips. Notwithstanding Mumme's scandal and Morriss' bolt to Baylor those were the shortest tenures of any UK football coaches.

One of the biggest myths in the UK program is what awful shape Phillips left them in. Truth be told, it was no worse than what any of their previous coaches left the next guy. But you couple that myth with fact UK is recruiting well AND putting unprecedented amounts of money into their football program and you can see why Stoops gets more than three years. Still, (most likely because of the recruiting and money) the BBN natives are a bit restless and realize they need to see at least a couple of quality wins next year.

Peace

That isn't true. Brooks left Joker in better shape than Joker left Stoops. It's been a while, so I don't remember the exact numbers, but from the time Stoops took over to the beginning of his second season at UK around 20 players have left the program either through transfer, quitting football, or having been kicked off the team. That's essentially an entire recruiting class.

I do agree that some UK fans became a little restless in the second half of the season. They were blinded by the fast start. Truth be told, you could see the collapse coming from a mile away. Not only did the schedule get significantly harder, but UK played 8 weeks straight (I think) during the toughest part of their schedule without a bye week. That's asking a bunch for an already thin roster with a bunch of young guys playing major roles.

Before the start of last season most books had the over/under on wins for UK at 3.5 or 4 depending on where you looked. Despite the collapse at the end of the season UK still finished ahead of where most thought they would. They beat every team they were favored against, and pulled off one upset. That is progress, which is all that can be asked in year two of Stoops' tenure.

Next year I believe there will be more progress because of guys getting older, guys coming off RS, eight games at home, and hopefully an impact transfer that will be eligible immediately at a position of need (MLB).

Stoops won't be on the hot seat unless he achieves only four wins or less. A bowl would be great, but missing one won't put him in danger. However, the following year it's time to put up or shut up.

You don't think having a 3rd year record the equivalent of this past season (which probably means losing to UofL again) would put him on the hot seat with UK fans? "Missing one" equates to 5 or fewer wins, the same as this past season.

 

[W.W.W.]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:

Originally posted by W.W.W.:

Originally posted by WildCard:

Originally posted by Mike'sMarbles:
The funny thing is, Stoops isn't going to be on any hot seat next year no matter what. UK's tradition is to keep bad coaches around for well past the time any other organization would have fired them. Look no further than Bill Curry for a perfect example.

The only coaches that get out of UK early are guys like Guy Morriss who find better opportunities. And yes, even back then when Baylor was a major bottom feeder, that was still a better opportunity than UK.

Anywhere else in the country, Year 3 is "make or break" for a coach. Stoops will be at UK at LEAST 5 years, regardless of achievement.

I pretty much agree with this (^^^). The only 2 coaches in the past 50 years to be fired for incompetence were John Ray and Joker Phillips. Notwithstanding Mumme's scandal and Morriss' bolt to Baylor those were the shortest tenures of any UK football coaches.

One of the biggest myths in the UK program is what awful shape Phillips left them in. Truth be told, it was no worse than what any of their previous coaches left the next guy. But you couple that myth with fact UK is recruiting well AND putting unprecedented amounts of money into their football program and you can see why Stoops gets more than three years. Still, (most likely because of the recruiting and money) the BBN natives are a bit restless and realize they need to see at least a couple of quality wins next year.

Peace

That isn't true. Brooks left Joker in better shape than Joker left Stoops. It's been a while, so I don't remember the exact numbers, but from the time Stoops took over to the beginning of his second season at UK around 20 players have left the program either through transfer, quitting football, or having been kicked off the team. That's essentially an entire recruiting class.

I do agree that some UK fans became a little restless in the second half of the season. They were blinded by the fast start. Truth be told, you could see the collapse coming from a mile away. Not only did the schedule get significantly harder, but UK played 8 weeks straight (I think) during the toughest part of their schedule without a bye week. That's asking a bunch for an already thin roster with a bunch of young guys playing major roles.

Before the start of last season most books had the over/under on wins for UK at 3.5 or 4 depending on where you looked. Despite the collapse at the end of the season UK still finished ahead of where most thought they would. They beat every team they were favored against, and pulled off one upset. That is progress, which is all that can be asked in year two of Stoops' tenure.

Next year I believe there will be more progress because of guys getting older, guys coming off RS, eight games at home, and hopefully an impact transfer that will be eligible immediately at a position of need (MLB).

Stoops won't be on the hot seat unless he achieves only four wins or less. A bowl would be great, but missing one won't put him in danger. However, the following year it's time to put up or shut up.

You don't think having a 3rd year record the equivalent of this past season (which probably means losing to UofL again) would put him on the hot seat with UK fans? "Missing one" equates to 5 or fewer wins, the same as this past season.

No doubt there would be a group of UK fans that would want a change, but those would be the vocal minority. I mean, there were UK fans predicting nine wins this year. I think most fans would be ok with five wins as long as there is improvement in play and UK is competitive in all games.

There is no danger of Stoops losing his job by being fired by MB if he gets five wins this upcoming season.

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by W.W.W.:
...Brooks left Joker in better shape than Joker left Stoops. It's been a while, so I don't remember the exact numbers, but from the time Stoops took over to the beginning of his second season at UK around 20 players have left the program either through transfer, quitting football, or having been kicked off the team. That's essentially an entire recruiting class...
Well, whose responsibility was it for retaining those "20 players" who left after Stupes took over? Louisville didn't have that kind of attrition when Petrino took over for Strong. But no one here is giving Charlie much credit for that, at least no one that I've heard. That was Petrino and his coaches maintaining stability. Sounds more to me like you're covering for Stupes.

And the mythology about the QUALITY of the recruits in the LPT program before and after is easily debunked by facts... Pappaw Brooks' last three recruiting classes (2007-09) averaged 2.50 stars by Rivals. Joker's three classes (2010-12) averaged 2.87 stars. Joker was clearly bringing in better talent than Brooks. Unfortunately for him, his schedule turned out to be even better.

LPT Football: Rewriting history...

 

[TuckyFan]

You are conveniently overlooking how those guys did once on campus and that's if they made it. That incriminates Joker, but it's not the point. A lot of those guys never saw Stoops' time at UK.

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by TuckyFan:
You are conveniently overlooking how those guys did once on campus and that's if they made it. That incriminates Joker, but it's not the point. A lot of those guys never saw Stoops' time at UK.I'm not overlooking anything. "How those guys did once on campus and that's if they made it" is the kinda LPT doublespeak that tries to lay everything at Joker's feet while covering for Stupes' gratuitous a$$.

If U of L had experienced a lot of attrition when Strong left, I highly doubt that U of L fans would be blaming Charlie. Stuff like that happens when there is a significant change. Credit to Petrino & Staff that it didn't occur here.

Sounds to me that Stupes couldn't quite measure up to that challenge.

LPT Football: Regularly throwing old timers under the bus for longer than anyone can remember...

 

[TuckyFan]

That's a convenient way to view it. I would say that the attrition was largely due to lack of talent or injury in those who left. UK's cupboard was filled with players that chose between UK and Toledo, though there were a few exceptions. Guys like Mobley, that went to EKU, I'd rather have stayed. Some you lose due to coaching/personality, some you lose because they get recruited over or aren't P5 caliber. I'm not taking anything away from Petrino, I'm simplly speaking about the reality of UK's turnover and the talent on UKs roster when Stoops walked in.

 

[W.W.W.]

Originally posted by zipp:

Originally posted by TuckyFan:
You are conveniently overlooking how those guys did once on campus and that's if they made it. That incriminates Joker, but it's not the point. A lot of those guys never saw Stoops' time at UK.I'm not overlooking anything. "How those guys did once on campus and that's if they made it" is the kinda LPT doublespeak that tries to lay everything at Joker's feet while covering for Stupes' gratuitous a$$.

If U of L had experienced a lot of attrition when Strong left, I highly doubt that U of L fans would be blaming Charlie. Stuff like that happens when there is a significant change. Credit to Petrino & Staff that it didn't occur here.

Sounds to me that Stupes couldn't quite measure up to that challenge.

LPT Football: Regularly throwing old timers under the bus for longer than anyone can remember...

Great for UofL. It sounds like the talent level was up to par when Petrino took over. That wasn't the case at UK. Guys had to be trimmed from the roster. As you said, stuff like that happens when there is a significant change. It hurt depth, but will be beneficial in the long run. Stoops job is to improve UK football, not keep dead weight on the roster.

As for your assertion that the roster wasn't that bad when Stoops took over, well that's weak sauce, and I expect better from you than average rating. That doesn't take into account offers, position rank, player development, or if the players even made it to campus. I'm not delving into the research for that, but I did do a little digging.

Joker inherited a team from Brooks that had at least seven players currently playing in the NFL. Stoops took over a team that has one player currently in the NFL. That number may jump to two after this year's NFL draft.


Edit to add that of all the players that transferred after Stoops arrived none of them transferred to a Power 5 conference team that I'm aware of. UK's part time starting QB from last season plays at Eastern Illinois now lol.


This post was edited on 1/26 10:45 PM by W.W.W.

 

[Steelers2012]

Originally posted by W.W.W.:

Originally posted by zipp:

I'm not overlooking anything. "How those guys did once on campus and that's if they made it" is the kinda LPT doublespeak that tries to lay everything at Joker's feet while covering for Stupes' gratuitous a$$.

If U of L had experienced a lot of attrition when Strong left, I highly doubt that U of L fans would be blaming Charlie. Stuff like that happens when there is a significant change. Credit to Petrino & Staff that it didn't occur here.

Sounds to me that Stupes couldn't quite measure up to that challenge.

LPT Football: Regularly throwing old timers under the bus for longer than anyone can remember...

Joker inherited a team from Brooks that had at least seven players currently playing in the NFL. Stoops took over a team that has one player currently in the NFL. That number may jump to two after this year's NFL draft.

Is it just me, or shouldn't that indicate Joker did a better job of developing/preparing players for the NFL than Brooks, or Stoops so far? Why would Brooks get credit for 7 players from Joker's tenure that are currently in the NFL?

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by W.W.W.:
Great for UofL. It sounds like the talent level was up to par when Petrino took over. That wasn't the case at UK. Guys had to be trimmed from the roster. As you said, stuff like that happens when there is a significant change. It hurt depth, but will be beneficial in the long run. Stoops job is to improve UK football, not keep dead weight on the roster...The talent was as high as it had ever been at LPT when Stupes took over. Saying otherwise doesn't make it true. The FACTS bear that out.

Based on U of L's recent experience, I could argue just the opposite of what you guys wanna argue. When Petrino left, Kragthorpe experienced Stupes-level attrition. Of course, our AD covered for Krags by throwing Petrino under the bus. But in hindsight, it's obvious what happened: the new guy was gonna be a bust.

Originally posted by W.W.W.:
...As for your assertion that the roster wasn't that bad when Stoops took over, well that's weak sauce, and I expect better from you than average rating. That doesn't take into account offers, position rank, player development, or if the players even made it to campus. I'm not delving into the research for that, but I did do a little digging...For the record, "weak sauce" is ignoring facts while offering no facts in return. Except a promise to "dig"...

Originally posted by W.W.W.:
...Joker inherited a team from Brooks that had at least seven players currently playing in the NFL. Stoops took over a team that has one player currently in the NFL. That number may jump to two after this year's NFL draft...Let's peel back that onion a little bit... Which players are you counting on each side of the ledger? I want a name and a graduating class (or last year of eligibility).

Not that playing in the NFL is the ultimate indicator of talent. Coaching has something to do with that result as well. But let's apply your indicator and see where it goes. Names and classes first.

LPT Football: Why do we always have to use facts?...

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
Is it just me, or shouldn't that indicate Joker did a better job of developing/preparing players for the NFL than Brooks, or Stoops so far? Why would Brooks get credit for 7 players from Joker's tenure that are currently in the NFL?
Not sure what data the LPT guy is using. If he shows his numbers, we'll know exactly where the flaw in his logic is.

LPT Football: No fair ganging up!...

 

[W.W.W.]

Originally posted by zipp:

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
Is it just me, or shouldn't that indicate Joker did a better job of developing/preparing players for the NFL than Brooks, or Stoops so far? Why would Brooks get credit for 7 players from Joker's tenure that are currently in the NFL?
Not sure what data the LPT guy is using. If he shows his numbers, we'll know exactly where the flaw in his logic is.

LPT Football: No fair ganging up!...

Lol. So Joker should get credit for NFL players that played one season under him? And then be exempt from only producing one NFL player that he recruited? Brooks was the HC that recruited the players Joker sent to the NFL. Joker recruited one player that is in the NFL. I don't see how this is even a debate.

 

[W.W.W.]

Joker inherited a roster that included future NFL players like Cobb, Lumpkin, Matthews, Warford, Williams, Trevathan, and Guy. The only NFL player Joker left Stoops with is Avery. And before you say Stoops can't develop talent, his record at FSU says otherwise.

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by W.W.W.:
Joker inherited a roster that included future NFL players like Cobb, Lumpkin, Matthews, Warford, Williams, Trevathan, and Guy. The only NFL player Joker left Stoops with is Avery. And before you say Stoops can't develop talent, his record at FSU says otherwise.What is the criterion you're using for those guys:
PLAYED in the NFL, orSTILL PLAYING in the NFL
???

LPT Football: We sometimes move the goalposts...

 

[Morgantown Card]

Originally posted by W.W.W.:

I mean, there were UK fans predicting nine wins this year. I think most fans would be ok with five wins as long as there is improvement in play and UK is competitive in all games.

There is no danger of Stoops losing his job by being fired by MB if he gets five wins this upcoming season.

I agree with you. The Cats played better football to the eye test this past year and will probably show improvement again next year (even if the record doesn't clearly show it). It would take an epic failure (2 wins, several blowouts etc) for Stoops to be fired after this coming season.

 

[ULCard17]

Bottom line is this. With 8 home games this year, with their road games at SC, Vandy, UGWho and Miss St, they had better post a winning record. Here is who they should beat: Louisiana-Layfayette, EKU, Vandy and Charlotte. Future not looking bright for LPT Football. Oh well.

LPT Football: Just picked up a 5 star...in basketball...

 

[zipp]

Did someone kidnap 3Ws??

LPT Football: The occasional disappearing act...

 

[zipp]

The heat's getting hotter...

In addition to their other off-the-field problems, Howie's reporting that the 2015 LPT recruiting class has fallen to #50 in the Rivals ranking.

Yikes.

The only good thing for LPT is it's me breaking the news on this message board (with appropriate credit to Howie...)

LPT Football: Same as it ever was...

 

[W.W.W.]

Originally posted by zipp:
The heat's getting hotter...

In addition to their other off-the-field problems, Howie's reporting that the 2015 LPT recruiting class has fallen to #50 in the Rivals ranking.

Yikes.

The only good thing for LPT is it's me breaking the news on this message board (with appropriate credit to Howie...)

LPT Football: Same as it ever was...

UK has had numerous recruits decommit in the last couple of weeks. All recruiting momentum has been lost. Both Stoops and Marrow have said UK is going to finish strong in recruiting, but I just don't see it. I wouldn't be surprised if UK doesn't lose a couple more before NSD. This class looks like it will be more similar to a Joker class than Stoops' other two classes at UK.

Also, earlier I was speaking of players currently playing in the NFL.