Looks like we could easily start off 3-3 with possible losses to Auburn, Clemson, and FSU. But it sets up for strong finish.
Originally posted by NoKyCard:
http://media.scout.com/media/doc/147/1472244.pdf
Couldn't help but notice these premier ACC matchups. Look at these 10 ballbusters in the Atlantic Division. Maine,
Howard, Wofford, Appalachian St., Texas St (oops, never mind, they're a Division 1A school), Chattanooga, Samford, Eastern Ky., Old Dominion (oops, sorry, another 1A team), and Elon. And that's just for the7 teams in the Atlantic Division. I was feeling too ill to check the
Coastal Division. No wonder we're competing with the Mountain West and
CUSA for league status. Our conference champ better go undefeated, or
there's no chance of getting an ACC team into the playoffs.
This post was edited on 1/29 8:04 PM by NoKyCard
That's a little bit of an overreaction. Everybody has cupcake teams on their OOC schedule. That's especially true for leagues that play 8 games. (Check out the Big Ten and SEC schedules from last year.) The issue is not where you have cupcakes, because everybody does. It's who else you have to balance it out. For example, Clemson plays Notre Dame and South Carolina. Louisville plays Auburn and Kentucky. Florida St plays South Florida and Florida (although South Florida isn't in a BCS league anymore.) Syracuse plays LSU and South Florida, and Wake Forest plays Indiana and Notre Dame.
In the Coastal, Georgia Tech plays Notre Dame and Georgia. Miami plays Nebraska and Cincinnati (although again they aren't a BCS team). North Carolina plays South Carolina and Illinois. Pitt plays Iowa and Notre Dame. Virginia plays UCLA and Notre Dame, plus Boise St, and Virginia Tech plays Ohio St and Purdue, plus East Carolina.
The ACC's OOC scheduling is fine.
I recommend you read the two posts above mine from the Clemson guy and Steelers. Then you may wish to edit your post or or just delete it.Originally posted by NoKyCard:
http://media.scout.com/media/doc/147/1472244.pdf
Couldn't help but notice these premier ACC matchups. Look at these 10 ballbusters in the Atlantic Division. Maine,
Howard, Wofford, Appalachian St., Texas St (oops, never mind, they're a Division 1A school), Chattanooga, Samford, Eastern Ky., Old Dominion (oops, sorry, another 1A team), and Elon. And that's just for the7 teams in the Atlantic Division. I was feeling too ill to check the
Coastal Division. No wonder we're competing with the Mountain West and
CUSA for league status. Our conference champ better go undefeated, or
there's no chance of getting an ACC team into the playoffs.
This post was edited on 1/29 8:04 PM by NoKyCard
Originally posted by NoKyCard:
The Big 10 (14), the Big 12 (10), and PAC n all play 9 conference games, and thus one more P5 team in conference than the ACC (and the SEC), So quoting the PERCENT of out of conference P5 foes is not an accurate comparison.
The correct comparison is TOTAL P5 teams (including the conference opponents) per team.
But my point is not the P5 teams (Kentucky? really?), but the 1AA teams. The SEVEN Atlantic teams play TEN 1AA teams. Well, OK, eight plus 2 provisional 1A teams (Texas St. and Old Dominion).
Now I haven't examined all other conference schedules, but I'd bet no other conference (even the SEC) comes close to including as many exhibition opponents.
I generally try to refrain from message board trash talk, but everything you are saying is stupid
The Big Ten plays 8 conference games, not nine, so you're wrong there.
Here is the breakdown of each conference's OOC schedule:
So, the ACC does play the most AA teams......by two games. However, the ACC also plays the most P5 teams (not counting BYU). Let's compare that with the SEC, for example. While the ACC plays two more AA teams, than the SEC, they play 11 more P5 teams. Pretty good trade off, in terms of quality.
That said, your hysteria about playing AA teams is absurd. There is no difference between playing Western Carolina or Bowling Green. They both suck. They are being hired for a virtually guaranteed win in exchange for a paycheck. It's stupid to go thumping your chest because you play Toledo instead of Furman. Either team is going to get the hell beat out of them by these P5 teams.
The real way to measure the strength of a team's schedule is by the P5 opponents (or a really good mid major). Arguing about whether a MAC team or an FCS team is better is like arguing over who's the tallest midget. The ACC schools play schedules that are certainly comparable with the rest of the nation.
Originally posted by PushupMan:
Picking Bowling Green and Toledo are two bad choices. Both of those schools beat Big Ten teams fairly regularly.
If you were talking about North Dakota State, then you might have a point. But most of the FCS schools are significantly worse than the top teams in the American, the MAC, and the Mountain West. Statistics bear that out fairly conclusively. The ACC went 18-7 lost 7 against non-P5 FBS schools in the regular season last year, but went 14-0 against FCS schools.
Bowling Green has beaten a grand total of 9 P5 teams over the last 30 years. That's 9 wins out of how many games? Toledo has won 10 games against P5 teams in the last 30 years. Again, that's 10 out of how many games? Do the mid majors have a better record against the P5 than FCS teams do? Yes. Do the mid majors have a good record against the P5? No. Their winning percentage is well, well below .500. That goes back to what I mentioned, that saying mid majors are better than FCS is like bragging about being the tallest midget. They both suck. They both get brought in to be a sacrificial lamb for P5 teams to pad their records. Do the mid majors pull upsets more often than FCS team? Yes. Again, they still have a lousy overall record against P5 schools. The point is, it's dumb to criticize a team/conference for playing FCS teams. 1) Everybody does it. 2) Mid majors collectively aren't good teams. They have lousy records against the P5. You aren't proving anything by beating them. 3) The real way to measure how good a team/conference's schedule is judging it against quality opponents, not nitpicking the cupcakes on the schedule, since again, everybody does it.
While I understand what you are saying, I didn't have to look too hard to find that SMU of the American is still looking for a non-conference game - and they even have an open date on 9/26. UNC didn't really have to schedule two FCS schools if they didn't want to.Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:
^^ You can schedule good teams but you can't force them to play you....
In North Carolina's case, we've had Tennessee, Minnesota, and now Ohio State chicken out of home-and-home series in the last 5 years. IIRC, the two FCS teams this year (specifically, Delaware) are because of Minnesota no longer being on the schedule.
I know Louisville has had some teams back out on y'all too.
Originally posted by PushupMan:
Both of those sound like pretty good numbers to me, especially considering they always have to play those games on the road.
We were one of those "mid-majors" you speak of until 2005. I'm fairly sure the team that the FSU team that would go on to win the 2002 ACC championship stopped thinking of us as mid-major about 830pm on 9/26/2002.
My point is that, unlike the FCS schools, the teams in those G5 conferences give out the same number of scholarships as we do. The really good members of the G5 may not be good enough to win a national championship, but they are plenty good enough to beat a good number of P5 schools. ECU and Boise State proved that last year.
This post was edited on 1/30 2:17 PM by PushupMan
I understand you can have some good G5 schools, like Boise St. You can also have some good FCS schools like Appalachian St (until they moved up).........But they still have horrible records against P5 teams. You are missing my point. You can go cherrypick and say this team or that team was good from the G5, FCS, or whatever. The bottom line is that collectively, the G5 has a God-awful record against P5 schools. That's why it's a big deal when one of them wins a game. You even said yourself you thought 9 wins in 30 years is good (which it isn't). That makes my whole point. When these G5 teams beat a P5 team, it's news. That's because it doesn't happen too often. That's because the G5 as a group isn't as good as the P5, and the record indicates as much.
All this goes back to my original point. Getting all upset because Powerhouse U played a crappy FCS team instead of a crappy MAC team is just ridiculous. Whether you play a MAC team, a SBC team, and FCS team, or whatever, you are bringing them in to get a paycheck and a butt whipping. If you lose that game, your coach automatically goes to the hot seat. It's just asinine to get worked up over P5 schools playing cupcakes when ALL of them do it. I don't care if one cupcake is "better" than another cupcake. A cupcake is a cupcake.